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Sorry but that is completely incorrect.

They were jerked around mercilessly by Woodcroft and Holland. PJ and Yamo were gifted 20 minutes a night in the top 6 while Holloway barely played 5 minutes a night on the 4th line. The only time Broberg played was when that blithering idiot Woodcroft went 11-7 and Broberg was lucky to get 4 minutes a night as the 7th D yet he’d play Desharnais 15 even though he can’t skate.

Broberg asked for a trade it got so bad and he never withdrew that request. Holloway finally played because KK couldn’t ignore he was finally ready.
JP and Yam weren’t young prospects? Both Broberg and Holoway would have got ample opportunity this year with the Oilers. It was a mistake not to match Holoways offer sheet. But no sense continuing to open that wound.
 
JP and Yam weren’t young prospects? Both Broberg and Holoway would have got ample opportunity this year with the Oilers. It was a mistake not to match Holoways offer sheet. But no sense continuing to open that wound.
This is the problem. People complain when we do give young guys too much rope even though they may not have earned it and then complain that we didn’t give young guys enough rope even though they may not have earned it.

I agree with you though. It’s done and complaining about it endlessly won’t change anything.
 
Not overly familiar with his game. Nice numbers for Texas but turns 25 next month and has played 13 NHL games to this point.

Is he someone that would have fit with the Oilers in the future?
Maybe not. But he was a talented player that makes your AHL team better which helps with development. We just forgot to sign him. Hell Blumel would be the best player on the Condors.
 
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The thing that hurt the absolute most is seeing the underlying youth in our organization, that showed a ton of growth in that playoff run, completely vanish in a single offseason.

The Oilers are a team that's poised to contend for what's likely to be the next eight or nine seasons, barring significant injuries to core players. Losing guys you were drawing into vital roles two or three years into the future just blows.
The Oilers don't care about developing youth, never have as long as I've been a fan, almost 30 years now although in the late 90s, early 00s they had to trade away young talent due to financial restraints.
Look at their drafting even going back to the latter portion of The Glory Years even before I was a fan, just putrid.

Ironically, Holland did well to draft Holloway and Broberg and they were on a good development path (an Oiler rarity) then they still botch it because he had no idea how to manage a salary cap and JJ got vet hungry on Day 1 of Free Agency then Bowman was left scrambling to find a way to match, still blame him for not creating 900K of extra cap space to match Holloway, unforgiveable. An unholy trinity of f*** ups by those 3 overpaid GMs.

The Oilers had a real chance to extend the Cup window with Broberg in line to replace Ekholm's minutes once Ekholm took a more diminished role and Holloway to replace some of the older forwards or merely take a wide open spot right there on Drai's LW and now their Cup window has shrunk to virtually nothing. They'll always be competitive as long as McDavid and Draisaitl are top players but their primes are on the clock so once they fall off even a bit, the Oilers are cooked unless a new GM can create some magic. The new McDavid and Bouchard contracts are going to cripple them too but it would have been an easier pill to stomach with strong youth flanking them even though, yes, Holloway and Broberg would also have to be paid in 2 years.
 
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The Oilers don't care about developing youth, never have as long as I've been a fan, almost 30 years now although in the late 90s, early 00s they had to trade away young talent due to financial restraints.

Look at their drafting even going back to the latter portion of The Glory Years even before I was a fan, just putrid. Ironically, Holland did well to draft Holloway and Broberg and they were on a good development path (an Oiler rarity) then they still botch it up because he had no idea how to manage a salary cap and JJ got vet hungry on Day 1 of Free Agency.
Also complicating the issue was their tendency to throw their shiny new prospects into the fire without proper insulation. Some performed reasonably well while others crashed out early. Eberle was actually brought along slowly like he should've been and he's had a good career. Even Draisatl struggled early on.

Drafting and development are pretty much the most glaring issues with the org. It's frustrating watching other teams find the occasional gem in later rounds and we still end up with coal.
 
Also complicating the issue was their tendency to throw their shiny new prospects into the fire without proper insulation. Some performed reasonably well while others crashed out early. Eberle was actually brought along slowly like he should've been and he's had a good career. Even Draisatl struggled early on.

Drafting and development are pretty much the most glaring issues with the org. It's frustrating watching other teams find the occasional gem in later rounds and we still end up with coal.
Just look a little south, Gaudreau and Wolf among others. The Flames are a far better organization at drafting and developing and even they are just mediocre which speaks volumes about the Oilers, they just so happen to not have the crazy luck of landing a McDavid or Draisaitl.
The Oilers are a terrible organization being immensely boosted to relevancy by lucky lottery balls and a #4 pick gift although, yes, MacT gets credit for buying into the Bennett hype.
 
Just look a little south, Gaudreau and Wolf among others. The Flames are a far better organization at drafting and developing and even they are just mediocre which speaks volumes about the Oilers, they just so happen to not have the crazy luck of landing a McDavid or Draisaitl.
The Oilers are a terrible organization being immensely boosted to relevancy by lucky lottery balls and a #4 pick gift although, yes, MacT gets credit for buying into the Bennett hype.
Yup, McDavid (and to a slightly lesser extent Draisatl) make this team look far more competent than it really is. The Flames are succeeding (relative to their expectations) despite having a very unimpressive roster and they seem to have found yet another stud in net. He might not end up being Kipprusoff but he's sure better than anything we've drafted in forever. Sure, not every pick will be a hit but this team misses way too frequently in the draft. How they passed on McDavid's buddy Debrincat is something I'll never understand.
 
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The Oilers don't care about developing youth, never have as long as I've been a fan, almost 30 years now although in the late 90s, early 00s they had to trade away young talent due to financial restraints.
Look at their drafting even going back to the latter portion of The Glory Years even before I was a fan, just putrid.

Ironically, Holland did well to draft Holloway and Broberg and they were on a good development path (an Oiler rarity) then they still botch it because he had no idea how to manage a salary cap and JJ got vet hungry on Day 1 of Free Agency then Bowman was left scrambling to find a way to match, still blame him for not creating 900K of extra cap space to match Holloway, unforgiveable. An unholy trinity of f*** ups by those 3 overpaid GMs.

The Oilers had a real chance to extend the Cup window with Broberg in line to replace Ekholm's minutes once Ekholm took a more diminished role and Holloway to replace some of the older forwards or merely take a wide open spot right there on Drai's LW and now their Cup window has shrunk to virtually nothing. They'll always be competitive as long as McDavid and Draisaitl are top players but their primes are on the clock so once they fall off even a bit, the Oilers are cooked unless a new GM can create some magic. The new McDavid and Bouchard contracts are going to cripple them too but it would have been an easier pill to stomach with strong youth flanking them even though, yes, Holloway and Broberg would also have to be paid in 2 years.
Just how long do you think Broberg and Holloway will extend the cup window?
It's open for as long as McDavid and Drai are still in their prime. Right now the Oilers need to worry about Frederic and Walman
 
Just look a little south, Gaudreau and Wolf among others. The Flames are a far better organization at drafting and developing and even they are just mediocre which speaks volumes about the Oilers, they just so happen to not have the crazy luck of landing a McDavid or Draisaitl.
The Oilers are a terrible organization being immensely boosted to relevancy by lucky lottery balls and a #4 pick gift although, yes, MacT gets credit for buying into the Bennett hype.
The Oilers drafted Konovalov. Same type of goalie as Wolf. But of course they favored Stool Skinner over him.
 
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The Oilers drafted Konovalov. Same type of goalie as Wolf. But of course they favored Stool Skinner over him.
The Oilers have been abysmal at drafting goalies since Fuhr. Remember when Dubnyk/JDD were the answer? JDD obviously fizzled out and Dubyk had to go elsewhere to succeed.

The fact of the matter is the Oilers just suck at basically everything involving prospects. Skinner wasn't even supposed to be the starter but they f***ed that up too.
 
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You’re shitting on Woodcroft a lot for his handling of Broberg, but he literally invented 11-7 so that he could keep Broberg in the NHL. As soon as Knoblauch was hired, Broberg was sent down to the AHL for the rest of the year - it was also around this time his trade request was made. Broberg may not have loved being 7th D but he definitely preferred practicing and playing in the NHL and collecting an NHL pay check.

Did Broberg tell you this?

He played 2-3 minutes some nights with that useless 11-7 and not developing so Woody could play that lumbering oaf Desharnais.

The trade request seemed - from what has been reported - to be not because he was sent down by KK but by his usage to that point by Woody.

KK and Holland said they wanted him to play 20+ minutes a night in all situations and not rotting on the bench or press box.
 
JP and Yam weren’t young prospects? Both Broberg and Holoway would have got ample opportunity this year with the Oilers. It was a mistake not to match Holoways offer sheet. But no sense continuing to open that wound.

I’m not talking about matching Holloway. I’m discussing the comment that @North said that young prospects play their way into the lineup.

JP and Yamo were given top 6 minutes. The 2 Blues were usually jerked back and forth between the minors and when in the NHL were given bit parts and bit minutes.

That is statistical fact and what I’m discussing.
 
They didn’t earn more.

Neither did PJ - ever - and after Yamos good initial half season neither did he. Holloway and Broberg were not afforded the opportunities and when they did play well would wind back up in the press box. Players typically ask for trades out of frustration.

Anyway the Oilers are a masterclass at how not to develop young players. We are an utter joke in that regard.
 
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I’m not talking about matching Holloway. I’m discussing the comment that @North said that young prospects play their way into the lineup.

JP and Yamo were given top 6 minutes. The 2 Blues were usually jerked back and forth between the minors and when in the NHL were given bit parts and bit minutes.

That is statistical fact and what I’m discussing.
Pulju and Yamo were jerked around as well. They played bottom 6 and bounced back and forth between NHL and AHL. Yamo had that breakout on the RNH-Drai line 3 years after he was drafted. If anything Holloway and Broberg saw more NHL games before Yamo. Pulju was another story. He was drafted too high to not play him.

If Yamo didn't have a concussion and play scared hockey, he would probably still be in the NHL. I still believe he will make a return.
 
The Oilers don't care about developing youth, never have as long as I've been a fan, almost 30 years now although in the late 90s, early 00s they had to trade away young talent due to financial restraints.
Look at their drafting even going back to the latter portion of The Glory Years even before I was a fan, just putrid.

Ironically, Holland did well to draft Holloway and Broberg and they were on a good development path (an Oiler rarity) then they still botch it because he had no idea how to manage a salary cap and JJ got vet hungry on Day 1 of Free Agency then Bowman was left scrambling to find a way to match, still blame him for not creating 900K of extra cap space to match Holloway, unforgiveable. An unholy trinity of f*** ups by those 3 overpaid GMs.

The Oilers had a real chance to extend the Cup window with Broberg in line to replace Ekholm's minutes once Ekholm took a more diminished role and Holloway to replace some of the older forwards or merely take a wide open spot right there on Drai's LW and now their Cup window has shrunk to virtually nothing. They'll always be competitive as long as McDavid and Draisaitl are top players but their primes are on the clock so once they fall off even a bit, the Oilers are cooked unless a new GM can create some magic. The new McDavid and Bouchard contracts are going to cripple them too but it would have been an easier pill to stomach with strong youth flanking them even though, yes, Holloway and Broberg would also have to be paid in 2 years.
Our hope now is for Savoie, O'Reilly and Akey to become impactful players and hopefully we hit on some late picks. After that we need UFA's to want to sign here on discounted deals but that window is closing fast if the team doesn't go far this year.
 
Just how long do you think Broberg and Holloway will extend the cup window?
It's open for as long as McDavid and Drai are still in their prime. Right now the Oilers need to worry about Frederic and Walman
Them as well as the other young players that come along during that time gain experience and learn how to win, they pass it on to future Oilers as well. The team might not be as good without McDrai but they set the foundation for future Oilers and hopefully it carries on for years.

I'll use after Gretzky was traded as an example even though the team still had a few HOFers on it. In the 4 years after they won a cup and had two conference finals appearances. After that pretty much everyone was sold and the team was still a hard working team that stuck around every year,

Nowadays it seems like elite players are capable of playing in their late 30's so having those younger guys like Broberg and Holloway add a few more years to the window but now it can close when Ekholm and Hyman slow down.
 
Sorry but that is completely incorrect.

They were jerked around mercilessly by Woodcroft and Holland. PJ and Yamo were gifted 20 minutes a night in the top 6 while Holloway barely played 5 minutes a night on the 4th line. The only time Broberg played was when that blithering idiot Woodcroft went 11-7 and Broberg was lucky to get 4 minutes a night as the 7th D yet he’d play Desharnais 15 even though he can’t skate.

Broberg asked for a trade it got so bad and he never withdrew that request. Holloway finally played because KK couldn’t ignore he was finally ready.

Correct on all fronts. These idiots didn't recognize the talent they had and gifted better opportunities to mediocrities like Desharnais, Puljujarvi, and Yamamoto... The latter two aren't even in the league anymore, or just barely hanging on.
 
Pulju and Yamo were jerked around as well. They played bottom 6 and bounced back and forth between NHL and AHL. Yamo had that breakout on the RNH-Drai line 3 years after he was drafted. If anything Holloway and Broberg saw more NHL games before Yamo. Pulju was another story. He was drafted too high to not play him.

If Yamo didn't have a concussion and play scared hockey, he would probably still be in the NHL. I still believe he will make a return.

PJ was absolutely gifted top line minutes without earning anything. Yamo - as I’ve said - was welded to Draisaitl without accomplishing anything for ages.

Anyway the fact remains is that the 2 Blues were not given a proper development opportunity here. If they had, chances are they’d still be here but you know, the Oilers being the Oilers and seemingly incapable of developing young players, it didn’t work out as is the case for most of our draftees.

Love the Oilers. Have grown to be in utter contempt of anyone in management, scouting and development. It’s a pack of f***ing idiots who shouldn’t be in charge of a lemonade stand.
 
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