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Said it in PGT, I wonder if they will consider shutting down Ekholm for the remainder of the regular season. They need him to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs. The guy is the lynchpin back there. Might let Kane get some games prior to the playoffs.
Knob just said his injury is still lingering. But, he clearly said that this will heal and he will be ready for the playoffs.
So from now till the playoffs, its going to be just staying healthy and not chasing anything. It's very unfortunate that the division is gone, they had a legitimate shot before the stupid 4 Nations ruined everything.
 
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On Oilers Now the other day Stauffer said it was a player in Europe that has followed a "similar path" to Derrick Ryan, except didn't play at the U of A, is a right shot C, and can play in the NHL right away.

I have no idea who this could be. He was talking about him like he was a name people know though somehow and he's legitimately good.

Do you remember when this was? Will look for the timestamp on the Oilers Now podcast.
 
Another reason Bowman and Jackson should both be canned is not going after fabbro or Fowler who have both been integral in both of their teams playoff pushes. One of the reasons St Louis is doing what they are doing is cause they grabbed Fowler for less than walman cost who minimized the loss of parsyko. Guys got like 28 points in 40ish games for a 2nd rounder and a nothing prospect.
Fowler had a 4 team trade list which was probably why he went so cheap. It seems clear that the Ducks did him a favour with that trade. Chances are not so great that the Oilers were one of the other three teams on his list. Now would he have waived for them? We don't know but there is a pretty decent chance that he chose St. Louis over anyone else interested. And since it was pretty clear he was on the block other teams probably asked.
 
Do you remember when this was? Will look for the timestamp on the Oilers Now podcast.
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Excellent, you're better than AI.

"I'll give you a hint, Derek Ryan, but he's not an ex-Golden Bear, but in terms of a guy who excelled as a top player in a top European league"

"Bigger than Derek Ryan & Gaetan Haas, average to above average sized guy."

"A positional need that Edmonton has"

"Is he Canadian? No"
The Derek Ryan thing throws me off.
 
The Derek Ryan thing throws me off.

Yeah not sure why he said Derek Ryan if he ruled out ex-Golden Bears. Is the CIS path common for non-Canadians? I know Ryan is from Spokane, but I don't know that having played in the CIS is a correct filter. I just took it to mean later bloomer that showed well in Euro leagues.

He said forward on the intermission panel, and we don't need bottom-6 wingers, so I'd postulate it's a center hopeful, but don't want to mix those in with the facts.
 
Fowler had a 4 team trade list which was probably why he went so cheap. It seems clear that the Ducks did him a favour with that trade. Chances are not so great that the Oilers were one of the other three teams on his list. Now would he have waived for them? We don't know but there is a pretty decent chance that he chose St. Louis over anyone else interested. And since it was pretty clear he was on the block other teams probably asked.
Lol what yeah I'm sure he wanted to be traded to another team that at the time of the trade was far out of the playoff picture.
 
I’ll guess David Tomasek.
Great guess.

If it indeed is him, his path to the NHL would be very similar to Ryan’s. Not drafted and close to a decade of play in other leagues before getting a shot in their late 20s.

6-2, 185 is decent size and he’s a centre.

Very possible.
 
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The Derek Ryan part throws me off. Makes me assume that it's a 30 year old+ type of player.

If it was someone younger, I might guess a guy like Evan Barratt. 5'11'' 190lb center that just finished 3rd in points-per-game in the German league. He was Bowman's 3rd round pick back in 2017.
 
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Whatever anyone does don't you watch "The Studio". f*** that annoying intrusive add. I shouldn't have to tell you it's absolute crap without watching it. All those talentless annoying Canuck f***s in it.
 
Lol- you want me to post a link from his agent? Because this happens all the time? You’re being ridiculous.

Arvidsson and Skinner signed for 7M. Thats your cap. They also could have moved Kulak. Don’t give me this bullshit that they were unaffordable.


We know the agent made it clear his trade request was never recinded.

Again could have moved player X comebacks are getting old and lazy.

You are the one being ridicules because you have the memory of a dead goldfish
 
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We know the agent made it clear his trade request was never recinded.

Again could have moved player X comebacks are getting old and lazy.

You are the one being ridicules because you have the memory of a dead goldfish

I think the majority of fans are just upset and don't really know where to put their anger.

Instead of going back and looking at things logically, they don't care about why we did what we did. They just want to point the finger and call people stupid to make them feel better.

When you look at the Broberg he had problems the moment they drafted him back in 2019. Despite showing an incredible toolbox, he had injury concerns and didn't get along with his coaches in Sweden over the next 2 years. In those 2 years in the SHL he played 89 with 4G 17A and -5. Still, he put up 0's in his 12 playoff games as he was pushed down the lineup. Broberg was supposed to play a more meaningful role in the men's league but was never able to earn it. Now was that the team that "didn't believe in him" or was that Broberg being impatient and showing that he just wasn't ready?

Instead of working through it, Edmonton brought him over to the AHL. He looked good enough to earn a callup to the NHL but it was obvious that he wasn't ready in his D+3 season where he was -8 in 23GP with 1G 2A.

Heading into his D+4 season with Woodcroft, Broberg was finally able to prove he was an NHL defenceman with 46GP. He had 1G 7A for 8P. He also played 9 playoff games where he didn't register any points. A big reason Broberg was able to get these games in was that Woodcroft loved his 11-7 but when the Oilers acquired Ekholm his ice time and opportunity went down. I think Ekholm/Nurse/Kulak on the left side really set the stage for Broberg and his cap to ask for a trade. He wanted the opportunity to prove more elsewhere.

Now we enter in D+5 and he's clearly too good for the AHL but not really good enough in the NHL to take someone elses job. I think people forget how terrible we started last year and Broberg was sent down. In his 12GP last year, Broberg was here in October/November for 10 games where the Oilers were 2-8. He then finished the year with 2 more games where they lost both.

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Now we heard rumors that other teams were asking for Broberg in trades and that Broberg had asked for a trade. At that point you could definitely argue that Holland should have looked at trading him even though he was still an RFA. After all, he had not really found much success and at that point, no one was looking to spend big money on a player who couldn't even stay in the league. To be fair, I think trading him at the deadline would have seen a pretty low return - like a 2nd round pick. Keeping him as an asset for a playoff run was valuable depth and even if they wanted to trade Broberg down the road, they could have looked at trading him at the draft or free agency.

Obviously, Broberg comes in and looks great against Florida and starts making a name for himself. At that point you have to think it's time to pivot and maybe consider giving Broberg more than he's worth. Now the Oilers are in a difficult situation, but no one is really talking about it. Rightly or wrongly the assumption by both fans and media are that we need to get better and the RFA's will have to wait. We are all happy with signing two proven goal scorers in Arvidsson and Skinner up front. On the backend we still have the same defense (less Desharnais).

Fast forward, everyone is on vacation and the priority for Bowman was to sign Leon Draisaitl. He's on the job for less than a couple weeks and he's hit with the offer sheets. It's only after the offer sheets happen that everyone begins to panic - so I don't see how this is Bowmans fault. He was stuck with NTC's and would have had to move some serious cap out to keep Broberg. Kane, Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique all had NTC's so I don't see who else he's moving in less than 7 days with a gun to his head.

Looking at its now though, I would rather have Walman in that spot. He comes in at a lower cap hit and is a better player even if it cost more to get him.
 
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We know the agent made it clear his trade request was never recinded.

Again could have moved player X comebacks are getting old and lazy.

You are the one being ridicules because you have the memory of a dead goldfish
lol- you get sensitive if someone doesn’t agree with you, eh? Agents lie to protect their clients- it’s what they do. Im
Sorry if you don’t understand that very basic concept. Friedman is an insider (probably the most connected one) and has no skin in the game, and thus, no one to protect. I’ll take Friedman’s reporting over the biased agent.

I may have the memory of a dead goldfish but you have the IQ of one
 
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I think the majority of fans are just upset and don't really know where to put their anger.

Instead of going back and looking at things logically, they don't care about why we did what we did. They just want to point the finger and call people stupid to make them feel better.

When you look at the Broberg he had problems the moment they drafted him back in 2019. Despite showing an incredible toolbox, he had injury concerns and didn't get along with his coaches in Sweden over the next 2 years. In those 2 years in the SHL he played 89 with 4G 17A and -5. Still, he put up 0's in his 12 playoff games as he was pushed down the lineup. Broberg was supposed to play a more meaningful role in the men's league but was never able to earn it. Now was that the team that "didn't believe in him" or was that Broberg being impatient and showing that he just wasn't ready?

Instead of working through it, Edmonton brought him over to the AHL. He looked good enough to earn a callup to the NHL but it was obvious that he wasn't ready in his D+3 season where he was -8 in 23GP with 1G 2A.

Heading into his D+4 season with Woodcroft, Broberg was finally able to prove he was an NHL defenceman with 46GP. He had 1G 7A for 8P. He also played 9 playoff games where he didn't register any points. A big reason Broberg was able to get these games in was that Woodcroft loved his 11-7 but when the Oilers acquired Ekholm his ice time and opportunity went down. I think Ekholm/Nurse/Kulak on the left side really set the stage for Broberg and his cap to ask for a trade. He wanted the opportunity to prove more elsewhere.

Now we enter in D+5 and he's clearly too good for the AHL but not really good enough in the NHL to take someone elses job. I think people forget how terrible we started last year and Broberg was sent down. In his 12GP last year, Broberg was here in October/November for 10 games where the Oilers were 2-8. He then finished the year with 2 more games where they lost both.

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Now we heard rumors that other teams were asking for Broberg in trades and that Broberg had asked for a trade. At that point you could definitely argue that Holland should have looked at trading him even though he was still an RFA. After all, he had not really found much success and at that point, no one was looking to spend big money on a player who couldn't even stay in the league. To be fair, I think trading him at the deadline would have seen a pretty low return - like a 2nd round pick. Keeping him as an asset for a playoff run was valuable depth and even if they wanted to trade Broberg down the road, they could have looked at trading him at the draft or free agency.

Obviously, Broberg comes in and looks great against Florida and starts making a name for himself. At that point you have to think it's time to pivot and maybe consider giving Broberg more than he's worth. Now the Oilers are in a difficult situation, but no one is really talking about it. Rightly or wrongly the assumption by both fans and media are that we need to get better and the RFA's will have to wait. We are all happy with signing two proven goal scorers in Arvidsson and Skinner up front. On the backend we still have the same defense (less Desharnais).

Fast forward, everyone is on vacation and the priority for Bowman was to sign Leon Draisaitl. He's on the job for less than a couple weeks and he's hit with the offer sheets. It's only after the offer sheets happen that everyone begins to panic - so I don't see how this is Bowmans fault. He was stuck with NTC's and would have had to move some serious cap out to keep Broberg. Kane, Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique all had NTC's so I don't see who else he's moving in less than 7 days with a gun to his head.

Looking at its now though, I would rather have Walman in that spot. He comes in at a lower cap hit and is a better player even if it cost more to get him.

You make a lot of good points.

Broberg didn’t want to be here. Walman is probably a good replacement for him.

They will need to find a way to replace Holloway. I think the team really needs to seriously consider a bit of a retool especially with their forwards group and goaltending in the off. I think they really need to make some difficult decisions. (And I am talking about players like RNH, Hyman, Nurse etc).

More than that I think really needs to figure out some philosophical decisions about how they run this team. Because a lot of what their doing isn’t really working. Drafting and development continues to be a problem. This team is so apprehensive towards some young and inexperienced players. A lot of these guys can’t even get a regular shifts in a single game let alone for any period of time.

We have seen guys like Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie, Kemp etc just get yoyo’d around. Kesselring couldn’t get a shift. And people can blame Holland but not sure its all on him.

The forwards and the goaltending have been terrible this year and yet guys like Savoie, Philp, Rodrigue etc can’t get much of an opportunity. Sure Savoie is young. But theres just no patience with these guys. Where does it originate from? Management? Coaching? Leadership group?

Same old problems regardless of GM, coach etc.
 
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