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[Jumptheshark]

Imagine the first one is the German we signed?
The other? Euro signing… makes me believe free agent and not our own prospect, like Beryozkin?

Bagdad bob full of the sky is not falling. I will just pump about next year

 

[PitkanensGitch]

I think Tony DeAngelo would have been a much better signing compared to Klingberg. Dude is playing 23 minutes a night and has 14 points in 23 games.

Fans don't want to hear that. DeAngelo is an elite offensive talent we've all known that. Is he struggling defensively?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Depth.
Defense.
Goaltending.

Same as it ever was.

 

[joestevens29]

I don’t know. KHL is weird. Josh Leivo is the best player in the league.

Oh 100%, just never know. Worse case scenario is he isn't good enough and adds some depth to Bakersfield, or you terminate contract and he goes back to Russia.

 

[joestevens29]

If the Oilers are bounced early(highly likely) then Bowman and Jackson better not be looking for goaltending. They better be looking for another job

Not even sure why you'd post this. The odds of them being let go are pretty close to zero.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not even sure why you'd post this. The odds of them being let go are pretty close to zero.

Of course, they'd never blame themselves for the team's failure. That's just how it is. They'll probably scapegoat Skinner or the coach and the cycle will begin anew with fresh meat next year.

 

[McFlash97]

Not even sure why you'd post this. The odds of them being let go are pretty close to zero.

Start the chants during home games now. Billboard signs. Fans deserve better than these 2 clowns.

 

[MessierII]

The team misses Vinny Desharnais. Vinny kind of sucks and probably ain’t an every day playoff guy but the skill set he brings is such a badly needed niche here and that’s why he worked. He complimented Kulak perfectly and shut things down around our net. Emberson, Stecher, Klingberg, not one of these guys has been nearly as effective.

 

[foshizzle]

Interesting thoughts from Valiquette here on Skinner at the 56 min mark. He says that off the rush, Skinner has the second worst save % in the NHL (PTSD from the winning Stanley cup goal) because he is terrible at managing speed, gap, and backing up. His in zone goaltending has been good with a top 5 save %. This was earlier in the year. I think that his in-zone goaltending has taken a massive dive. Valiquette goes on to say that off the rush, whether odd man or full, Skinner isn’t an NHL goalie. In zone he is. I wonder if these are the numbers Boman was speaking about having. Regardless- it’s the NHL- rush chances are a thing. To me- these seem like the traits of a back up goalie- not a starter.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Interesting thoughts from Valiquette here on Skinner at the 56 min mark. He says that off the rush, Skinner has the second worst save % in the NHL (PTSD from the winning Stanley cup goal) because he is terrible at managing speed, gap, and backing up. His in zone goaltending has been good with a top 5 save %. This was earlier in the year. I think that his in-zone goaltending has taken a massive dive. Valiquette goes on to say that off the rush, whether odd man or full, Skinner isn’t an NHL goalie. In zone he is. I wonder if these are the numbers Boman was speaking about having. Regardless- it’s the NHL- rush chances are a thing. To me- these seem like the traits of a back up goalie- not a starter.

Thanks for sharing. This is really interesting stuff, wish we (I) had access to Valiquette's full information. It certainly reinforces the massive weakness in Skinner's game and the poor fit with the Oilers who don't give up volume rush chances against but when they do it's often a jailbreak situation. Though the in zone, more stable defending situation where he is very good suggests on a different team and structure he can be good.

A tell for me about Skinner was watching him in shootouts, the ultimate rush situation, where I always felt he looked both uncomfortable but very vulnerable. Given the small sample size, and statistically insignificance, I didn't pay much attention but it stayed in my gut that there seemed a prospective issue. His results reinforce that with .556 (5 SV on 9 Chances) in 2023-24; .400 (2 SV on 5 Chances) in 2022-23. Now he was perfect in 2021-22 with 2 saves on 2 shots. This season he is .000 (0 SV on 2 Chances).

Now I can't find more comprehensive data about goaltender shootout statistics but this link suggests goalies have an all-time shootout SV% average of .678 SV% Average Shootout Save Percentage For Goalies | StatMuse .

It is yet another management fail to not supplement this vital position they've entrusted their window years in the hands of a flawed, development phase goaltender.

 

[samiam]

Imagine the first one is the German we signed?
The other? Euro signing… makes me believe free agent and not our own prospect, like Beryozkin?

Watch it be Gaetan Haas & Joakim Nygard

 

[K1984]

Imagine the first one is the German we signed?
The other? Euro signing… makes me believe free agent and not our own prospect, like Beryozkin?

On Oilers Now the other day Stauffer said it was a player in Europe that has followed a "similar path" to Derrick Ryan, except didn't play at the U of A, is a right shot C, and can play in the NHL right away.

I have no idea who this could be. He was talking about him like he was a name people know though somehow and he's legitimately good.

 

[McDrai]

On Oilers Now the other day Stauffer said it was a player in Europe that has followed a "similar path" to Derrick Ryan, except didn't play at the U of A, is a right shot C, and can play in the NHL right away.

I have no idea who this could be. He was talking about him like he was a name people know though somehow and he's legitimately good.

Maybe this guy. Probably not though as he’s only 22

 

[oXo Cube]

Dumpster diving for replacement level European players.

Decade of Darkness type stuff.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Dumpster diving for replacement level European players.

Decade of Darkness type stuff.

They have to, there's nobody on waivers right now.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Depth.
Defense.
Goaltending.

Same as it ever was.

According to the media earlier this week the Oilers have better depth with a better defence and with Mr "He GoT uS tO gAmE sEvEn" goaltending isn't an issue -- and are a better team that lost in Game 7....

 

[K1984]

Dumpster diving for replacement level European players.

Decade of Darkness type stuff.

Stauffer said he was a CIS guy.

 

[Oilhawks]

According to the media earlier this week the Oilers have better depth with a better defence and with Mr "He GoT uS tO gAmE sEvEn" goaltending isn't an issue -- and are a better team that lost in Game 7....

The defense is better. The forwards are all underperforming sans Leon (coaching issue IMO). Goaltending as bad as ever, and critically ignored by management (Dustbin Schwartz runs the team)

 

[North]

The defense is better. The forwards are all underperforming sans Leon (coaching issue IMO). Goaltending as bad as ever, and critically ignored by management (Dustbin Schwartz runs the team)

I swear we need to riot if Rodrigue doesn’t start the next game. I feel like Dustbin is going to select Pickard for the game.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Dumpster diving for replacement level European players.

Decade of Darkness type stuff.

don't worry, the management team who thought Holloway and Broberg were expendable, totally have an eye for talent on European players

 

[K1984]

The defense is better. The forwards are all underperforming sans Leon (coaching issue IMO). Goaltending as bad as ever, and critically ignored by management (Dustbin Schwartz runs the team)

The defence is better on paper. That's a pretty big distinction.

Ekholm and Bouchard are currently complete shadows of what they were last year. Like not even in the same stratosphere in terms of quality of play. If they find a way to be even say 80% of their level last year then I would agree with you, but right now they're at about 20% with no sign of it turning around.

 

[McShogun99]

Dumpster diving for replacement level European players.

Decade of Darkness type stuff.

At least we have the high end talent that those teams didn’t have. We’ll have to get used to dumpster diving for prospects until McDrai starts to decline.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The defense is better. The forwards are all underperforming sans Leon (coaching issue IMO). Goaltending as bad as ever, and critically ignored by management (Dustbin Schwartz runs the team)

I’m not sold the D is difference making better. Ekholm playing sick and hurt he has been a lot worse the entire 2nd half and Bouchard has been nowhere near as good. Nurse and Kulak have been much better. The rest? So so.

JMO.

 

[foshizzle]

I had an interesting discussion with some work colleagues. Would the Oilers have the balls to do what St Louis did when Bennington was called up and given a chance to run with it? I said absolutely not because Oilers value over the hill aging veterans over young players. Having said that- I’d love to see Oilers start Rodrigue next game- but they won’t. Have to play Pickard- who won’t likely be here next year

 

[McBeastMode]

I swear we need to riot if Rodrigue doesn’t start the next game. I feel like Dustbin is going to select Pickard for the game.

Come hell or high water, if Skinner is able to play... management will start him..