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Oh come on.

Winning experience matters a lot more in the locker room with a coach, not so much a GM. I find it silly the org prioritizes that in a GM, but don't pretend it doesn't matter when it comes to the guy behind the bench in a tight game, or adjusting to a look that the team struggles with. It's the same reason McDrai liked Perry and Keith around.

The panthers that won, and that played under Q were different teams. No Tkachuk, Forsling hadn't broken out, only had Bennett for like 17 games. Maurice is a great coach, I'd love him on this team. Unfortunately, he isnt available, so I'd like the other guy that won 3 cups.
Let’s go get Darryl Sutter then. He’s won Cups and has a series win within the last decade. Who gets swept by the Preds?
 
Let’s go get Darryl Sutter then. He’s won Cups and has a series win within the last decade. Who gets swept by the Preds?
I don't think Sutter would come here tbh. I also think Q's teams were more similar to ours than Sutter's championship teams. We don't have anything close to a Quick. I'd be open to him, but I definitely lean coach Q. I also think Q would come in as an Assistant to Knob and that could be the shot in the arm the team needs to shape up. No way Sutter, who doesn't have that baggage, would take an Assistant role.

Also, that Nashville team went to the finals. They weren't trash.

Seeing as your fine with Sutter but not Q, it seems this is personal for you over the whole Kyle Beech thing. We already have Bowman though, and have taken on basically every villain in the NHL the past couple years. I don't think everyone in that org should be ostracized for life, so if the league, Jackson/Bowman, all feel he has done enough to make up for his past, I'm all for bringing him in if it leads to more wins and a cup.
 
So you think this team is either good enough, or any attempt to improve is futile as we have no chance?

I don't see how bringing in a fresh set of eyes that has seen it all behind the bench, could possibly be a bad thing. Mind you, I'm advocating for bringing him on to assist Knob. I don't think Knob has earned a firing, especially with what he accomplished last year. And with Q's situation, now might be the only chance we have to bring a guy like him in for that role.
 
Markstrom and Sutters refusal to stop putting top lines against each other was why they lost that series. Also he was very likely the reason Gaudreau and Tkachuk left.
So the goalie and Calgary’s best players getting owned by our best players is the reason they lost. That’s what I thought also.

You really think 2 proud Americans chose to go back on long term deals to their home country… one close to home and one to sandy beaches mostly because of a coach? Come on.
 
So the goalie and Calgary’s best players getting owned by our best players is the reason they lost. That’s what I thought also.

You really think 2 proud Americans chose to go back on long term deals to their home country… one close to home and one to sandy beaches mostly because of a coach? Come on.
I don't think the Kings were overly fond of Sutter either despite the success.

So you think this team is either good enough, or any attempt to improve is futile as we have no chance?

I don't see how bringing in a fresh set of eyes that has seen it all behind the bench, could possibly be a bad thing. Mind you, I'm advocating for bringing him on to assist Knob. I don't think Knob has earned a firing, especially with what he accomplished last year. And with Q's situation, now might be the only chance we have to bring a guy like him in for that role.
I've certainly not agreed with everything Knoblauch has done, but more dinosaurs isn't the answer.
 
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I think the Oilers would be wise to target Brennan Othmann from the Rangers this summer, if they're down on him after seeing him sputter out of the gate. He might be a guy that could fill the void left by Holloway.
 
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I don't think the Kings were overly fond of Sutter either despite the success.


I've certainly not agreed with everything Knoblauch has done, but more dinosaurs isn't the answer.
Well, I'm asking you what you think should be done? Anything? You're kinda just speaking in generalities and not providing any type of constructive debate, basically just saying "nuh uh".

We all pined for dinosaur Holland to be fired, turns out the younger guy kinda blew up the roster. Dinosaur Corey Perry might have been the only majority disliked signing this offseason, and he's been the best one. I can even see how an old roster like ours, might respond better to a dinosaur like Q, kinda like the D have with Coffey.
 
Well, I'm asking you what you think should be done? Anything? You're kinda just speaking in generalities and not providing any type of constructive debate, basically just saying "nuh uh".

We all pined for dinosaur Holland to be fired, turns out the younger guy kinda blew up the roster. Dinosaur Corey Perry might have been the only majority disliked signing this offseason, and he's been the best one. I can even see how an old roster like ours, might respond better to a dinosaur like Q, kinda like the D have with Coffey.
My solution would be a drastic overhaul of the front office that insists on hiring friends and has been a failure for the past few decades. The one that can't draft, trade, or sign players to good contracts. The one that has always seen McDavid as a ticket to a Cup and has failed to put a competent roster around him.

Bill Zito was an up and coming GM and we were reportedly talking to him. Then Ken Holland became available and the rest if history. I don't feel like this team has ever done any real due diligence when it comes to hirings. Hindsight is obviously 20/20 but perhaps hiring McDavid's old agent as POHO was not a great idea and we're paying dearly for it right now.

Katz needs to clean the rot out of the org but he'd never do that, so it is what it is. I suppose he's more concerned with making money than winning Stanley Cups.
 
I think the Oilers would be wise to target Brennan Othmann from the Rangers this summer, if they're down on him after seeing him sputter out of the gate. He might be a guy that could fill the void left by Holloway.
Frederic would be Holloway replacement. I would send Dallas a 2nd+nothing prospect for Mavrik Bourque or they can risk losing him through offersheet
 
ok. so we spend $11+ on a winger and run t
it back with the goaltending then?
I guess so.. which is why my post started with " if we were really in on Rantanen and were willing to extend him for 13M per"

Not sure what this organization is thinking but Pasta would be an ideal add on our top 6.

Swap Hyman, Nuge, Kane, Arvidsson with ELC players and we would still have a better top 6 with Pasta in.
 
I guess so.. which is why my post started with " if we were really in on Rantanen and were willing to extend him for 13M per"

Not sure what this organization is thinking but Pasta would be an ideal add on our top 6.

Swap Hyman, Nuge, Kane, Arvidsson with ELC players and we would still have a better top 6 with Pasta in.
RNH and Hyman isn't waiving their NMC. Kane and Arvid maybe. The only piece the Oilers have that Boston would be interested in is Bouchard. We can fit Pastrnak and most of our current roster players.

Frederic(4)-McDavid(12.5)-Hyman(5.5)
Kane(5.125)-Drai(14)-Pasta(11.25)
Savoie(1)-RNH(5.125)-Perry(1)
Jones(1)-Henrique(3)-Pod(1)
x(1)

Ekholm(6)-Walman(3.4)
Nurse(9.25)-Kulak(2.7)
x(1)-x(1)
x(1)

Soderblom/Stuart(2.6)
Pickard(1)
Deadcap(1.5)

95M

That's good enough for next season. Can make a big splash for a starting goalie and top 4 D at the deadline
 
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RNH and Hyman isn't waiving their NMC. Kane and Arvid maybe. The only piece the Oilers have that Boston would be interested in is Bouchard. We can fit Pastrnak and most of our current roster players.

Frederic(4)-McDavid(12.5)-Hyman(5.5)
Kane(5.125)-Drai(14)-Pasta(11.25)
Savoie(1)-RNH(5.125)-Perry(1)
Jones(1)-Henrique(3)-Pod(1)
x(1)

Ekholm(6)-Walman(3.4)
Nurse(9.25)-Kulak(2.7)
x(1)-x(1)
x(1)

Soderblom/Stuart(2.6)
Pickard(1)
Deadcap(1.5)

95M

That's good enough for next season. Can make a big splash for a starting goalie and top 4 D at the deadline
We could fork up a 1st or prospects for some retention on Pasta. Also, Kane can now be traded to select teams so keeping him at 5M+ wouldn't make sense. We should be able to attract good UFAs for cheap if we add Pastrnak.
 
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