Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[CupofOil]

It's probably default for players coming to a city like Edmonton

Nonsense. Edmonton is a destination now with McDavid/Draisaitl, new arena and team success, no reason for Oiler GMs to cave to free agent demands now. That's just giving them a copout for incompetence, "Being a GM in Edmonton is hard". Bullocks

 

[CycloneSweep]

I don't buy it. I think the Oilers need to find a way to get back some of their secondary scoring and improve their PK.

I think the Oilers need an upgrade on their 3rd string/minor league affiliate in case someone gets hurt or one of their games goes completely off the rails.

I understand that it's not a popular argument, but there's a very reasonable chance that in the instance you make that big goalie move, those other areas don't improve and you end up with similar results.

Addressing the goaltending doesn't necessarily fix the goaltending. As indicated by the RV and Skinner signings. How are Draisaitl's wingers this year?

We still have to compete against the teams in our conference who are adding at the deadline. Status quo means we'd be walking into the playoffs with a weaker roster, just a different goalie.


The acquisition cost. The cost of long-term is significant, if you're suggesting it's notable.

You can’t go into the playoffs when the best goalie numbers in your entire pro system is a tie with your AHL goalie tandem at 902.
Our entire goalie system is awful right now.
Acquisition cost is important for sure.
But you can’t definitely argue that the team plays far different when they trust their goalie vs not.
We have a bunch of players underperforming right now, but we know our goaltending is bad and that’s not underperforming.
Theres also very little we can do at forward because it turns out pretty much every forward has a NMC.

Literally the only forwards on our team without a NTC or NMC is Brown, Perry, Podkolzin and Kapanen

 

[McDoused]

If Arvidsson isn't going anywhere, I think you still have to play him away from McDavid and Draisaitl.

I think you look at playing him with Nuge on the 3rd line.

Probably try them with Brown:

xxxx / Kane -McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Savoie
Arvidsson-RNH-Brown
Skinner-Henrique-Perry

Skinner seems to work well with Henrique.

Really it comes down to if Kane can come back at 100% to play with McDavid, or do you use that cap space to bring in someone who can play with McDavid.

 

[oXo Cube]

Nonsense. Edmonton is a destination now with McDavid/Draisaitl, new arena and team success, no reason for Oiler GMs to cave to free agent demands now. That's just giving them a copout for incompetence, "Being a GM in Edmonton is hard". Bullocks

It is hard to be a GM in Edmonton. It's hard in Winnipeg too. That's just an excuse.

If this group can't get the job done then they should get the f*** out of the way so we can find one that can.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So basically the only players that we could move out that make over $1 million AAV to open up salary without their blessing are: Janmark $1.45 million and a 10 team NTC, Klingberg $1.755 million an Skinner at $2.6 million. Expect paying extra for 3rd part retention on any trade that we make.

 

[belair]

lol ... so this management spent 10 million on forwards that don't do shit, now they need to spend how much more to fix that after losing Holloway and Broberg for nothing?

I feel bad for McDavid and Draisiatl, team is so incompetent they don't have a starting goalie and do stupid shit like this and we're supposed to pretend it's OK.

What bullshit.

I could also spin this as lol, you guys whined so much with Holland, who historically sat on his hands and made measured decisions. There's Jackson, your proactive manager, making aggressive moves that immediately blow up in our face!

I'm not going to pretend that I didn't like the flash of the moves this summer though. They were big names. It just goes to show you that making the big moves doesn't necessarily pay the dividends.

Coming off of a Cup Final, the Oilers should've kept the powder dry. Arvidsson and Skinner were frivolous signings. And they were two skaters who may not fare well in the playoff atmosphere.

When you compare the lineup to last year, this roster is short a couple big, quick, heavy bodies. And if we dick around, spending all of the team's current cap flexibility on a goalie, this team is going to get absolutely pounded in the West.

 

[guymez]

I meant his head coach, who was Dallas Eakins. As an Oiler fan you should be able to recognize how Eakins can affect team defence.

Gibson wasn’t playing under Daryl Sutter or another seasoned NHL coach with a record of defensive success. He was playing for a coach with a terrible history of defensive hockey and on top of that the team decided to rebuild throughout those years. I don’t think any goalie wouldn’t have seen a big regression in numbers given the situation.

Leaving out the context and saying he’s been bad doesn’t paint the full picture.

I agree...there are a lot of things to consider with a goalie.

That being said Gibson has not been very good for a long time...not just during the Dallas Eakins years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It is hard to be a GM in Edmonton. It's hard in Winnipeg too. That's just an excuse.

If this group can't get the job done then they should get the f*** out of the way so we can find one that can.

This is what happens when you keep hiring buddies instead of people willing to go against the grain. You get the same shit with a different look.

 

[Soundwave]

That also explains why they asked for Kane's NMC list ... they probably have to move him now otherwise they have a glut of shit stuck on the roster in the summer (thanks JJ).

Better to get rid of him now in your deadline deal.

 

[belair]

We probably have the worst goaltending duo in the league. Goaltending is arguably the most important position.

You don’t address the shrapnel in the ass before the hole in the chest.

I think that the goaltending will average out, just like it did last season.

 

[CupofOil]

It is hard to be a GM in Edmonton. It's hard in Winnipeg too. That's just an excuse.

If this group can't get the job done then they should get the f*** out of the way so we can find one that can.

It's a lot harder to be a GM in Winnipeg, Chevy leaves all these Oiler GMs in the dust. The Oilers have generational talents, state of the art facilities and now have playoff success. This should be one of the easiest jobs in the league quite frankly, Chia, Holland and now JJ/Bowman got handed a plate of gold and turned it into I wouldn't say shit necessarily but gold with a lot less luster.
If the Oilers had Cheveldayoff from 2015 on, we're talking multiple Cups but instead we're talking about only one year in a decade with a win beyond the 2nd round. Pathetic

 

[FlameChampion]

I've always thought part of the point of these clauses was to reduce AAV.

Given that both Henrique and Arvidsson are overpaid as is, that's not a glowing endorsement of Jackson.

What the f*** were they thinking?

Based on Henriques year last year, he’s not really overpaid though. I mean he is this year (somewhat) because he’s not producing. Least hes decent defensively I guess.

Arvidsson getting a nmc when hes been a walking band aid is just plain bad management. Its similar to the Brown 3.25m bonus for 10g. You can’t really take those risks when you’re capped out and a “contender”.

Its kinda stupid that you have all these players who have nmc and Knoblauch isn’t even trying to get guys like Henrique and JSkinner going at all either.

 

[Faelko]

Nobody actually thinks the Oilers would actually trade RV or Rico do they?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Based on Henriques year last year, he’s not really overpaid though. I mean he is this year because he’s not producing. Least hes decent defensively I guess.

Arvidsson getting a nmc when hes been a walking band aid is just plain bad management. Its similar to the Brown 3.25m bonus for 10g. You can’t really take those risks when you’re capped out and a “contender”.

Its kinda stupid that you have all these players who have nmc and Knoblauch isn’t even trying to get guys like Henrique and JSkinner going at all either.

No, he's a depth guy getting paid like a middle 6 forward. I know he had some success in the playoffs last year but I don't remember him being anything other than average prior to that.

It's just classic Oiler incompetence.

 

[Soundwave]

I could also spin this as lol, you guys whined so much with Holland, who historically sat on his hands and made measured decisions. There's Jackson, your proactive manager, making aggressive moves that immediately blow up in our face!

I'm not going to pretend that I didn't like the flash of the moves this summer though. They were big names. It just goes to show you that making the big moves doesn't necessarily pay the dividends.

Coming off of a Cup Final, the Oilers should've kept the powder dry. Arvidsson and Skinner were frivolous signings. And they were two skaters who may not fair well in the playoff atmosphere.

When you compare the lineup to last year, this roster is short a couple big, quick, heavy bodies. And if we dick around, spending all of the team's current cap flexibility on a goalie, this team is going to get absolutely pounded in the West.

Non stop shit management here with Holland being the best of a crap bunch. Whoopity doo.

One of the big reasons they made the Finals is because they ducked any of the higher end elite forwards last year. Didn't have to face MacKinnon or Eichel, which was allowed us to get by with a mediocre goalie like Skinner.

If that doesn't repeat, they're f***ed most likely, Skinner is going to get murdered by a MacKinnon/Makar in a 7 game series if he has to face them, good luck draw the exact same playoff path as last year.

A Warren Foegele tier forward isn't gonna do shit when Eichel or MacK go to town on your amateur hour back up goaltenders.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Based on Henriques year last year, he’s not really overpaid though. I mean he is this year because he’s not producing. Least hes decent defensively I guess.

Arvidsson getting a nmc when hes been a walking band aid is just plain bad management. Its similar to the Brown 3.25m bonus for 10g. You can’t really take those risks when you’re capped out and a “contender”.

Its kinda stupid that you have all these players who have nmc and Knoblauch isn’t even trying to get guys like Henrique and JSkinner going at all either.

RV doesn’t have a NMC. But Skinner does.

 

[Canovin]

Nonsense. Edmonton is a destination now with McDavid/Draisaitl, new arena and team success, no reason for Oiler GMs to cave to free agent demands now. That's just giving them a copout for incompetence, "Being a GM in Edmonton is hard". Bullocks

This until you read the contracts with some blacklight

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This guy is a nobody but he does work for Edmonton Sports Talk who do have connections to the team. Skip the last minute where he says an Oiler has requested a trade. I wonder if it's skinner

Who knows what he even knows lol. Who requested it? Maybe Arvidsson.

 

[soothsayer]

RV doesn’t ah e a NMC. But Skinner does.

You missed the last 3 pages.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's a lot harder to be a GM in Winnipeg. The Oilers have generational talents, state of the art facilities and now have playoff success. This should be one of the easiest jobs in the league quite frankly, Chia, Holland and now JJ/Bowman got handed a plate of gold and turned it into I wouldn't say shit necessarily but gold with a lot less luster.

The thing is, the Oilers don't need a Florida/Tampa-esque level of management. They just need to be average and they can't even manage that. Depth, defense, and goaltending! We've been crowing this for basically what feels like McDavid's entire career and we still can't get it done.

 

[CycloneSweep]

RV doesn’t ah e a NMC. But Skinner does.

No he does. It was discovered this morning that RV and Henrique also have NMC.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If they can't move Skinner or Arvidsson, then really who realistically is even being added at forward? Another middle 6 tweener? What f***ing difference is that going to make, like who honestly thinks that's the difference between winning and losing a series?

Just get Gibson at this point if you can ... at least McDavid/Drai have somewhat of a chance if they have goaltending help as is ... f*** off with this. Calvin Pickard is outperforming our so-called "starter".

JJ signed those deals then Connor and Leon simply have to learn to play with Skinner and Arvidsson, you can't shove everyone into the bottom 6 pile Knoblauch.

Get a goalie and some grit I guess. Better than nothing.

 

[belair]

You can’t go into the playoffs when the best goalie numbers in your entire pro system is a tie with your AHL goalie tandem at 902.
Our entire goalie system is awful right now.
Acquisition cost is important for sure.
But you can’t definitely argue that the team plays far different when they trust their goalie vs not.
We have a bunch of players underperforming right now, but we know our goaltending is bad and that’s not underperforming.
Theres also very little we can do at forward because it turns out pretty much every forward has a NMC.

Literally the only forwards on our team without a NTC or NMC is Brown, Perry, Podkolzin and Kapanen

There's nothing tangibly proving that. And there's no guarantee that your solution to the problem ultimately solves it.

You have to give yourself other outs. You need to find ways to improve your depth in multiple areas.

In terms of the NMC situation, yeah, that's f***ed. That's probably who you don't hand the keys to a player agent days before the draft and FA signing period.

 

[oXo Cube]

Nobody actually thinks the Oilers would actually trade RV or Rico do they?

Henrique I think they absolutely would consider it if someone out there would actually take that contract on. He's replaceable for far less.

Arvidsson, no.

 

[CupofOil]

Nobody actually thinks the Oilers would actually trade RV or Rico do they?

100% but I think it's the principle of handing out NMC's that frustrated people and rightfully so.