Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[CycloneSweep]

Or he just wanted to sign in Edmonton

I’d take Foegele at 3.75 over Arvidsson a 4mill.

 

[McFlash97]

I get what you’re suggesting, but which of those players in that list has been playing beside the league’s leading goal scorer and a former (and candidate for another) Hart Trophy winner, this year?

I mean other than Kane being a one time elite talent (who’s on the back 9 of his career) the rest of the plugs on that list aren’t really anything to write home about, production-wise this season.

That said, I’d like to see what the production of a Neiderrieter, Mercer or even Fabbri would be playing alongside Drai. It’s not unreasonable to think their points per game would be considerably higher than what they are currently showing.

Arviddson has been a colossal bust this season.

I would go as far as to say Arvidsson has been a bust , Podkolzin has been unproductive, Stecher is an AHL player , Emberson is a good skating minor leaguer playing in our top 5, Skinner has no compete level and is slow as molasses, Henrique is done as an NHL player, Janmark has been snakebitten. The irony is only player we used to rip on, has surprised us. Nurse

S. Skinner is self explanatory

Despite this, our system got us in a playoff spot. Systems dont win cups anymore.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I’d take Foegele at 3.75 over Arvidsson a 4mill.

How quickly you forget his playoff performances.

 

[McShogun99]

Call me an optimistic but I really want to believe that the vets are still battling from the depression of losing game 7 and are just going thru the motions of the season. Once the playoffs start then they’re going to turn it on…….

 

[McDrai]

Call me an optimistic but I really want to believe that the vets are still battling from the depression of losing game 7 and are just going thru the motions of the season. Once the playoffs start then they’re going to turn it on…….

Well they better start winning some games or else they wont even get the opportunity to play in the postseason,

 

[McFlash97]

How quickly you forget his playoff performances.

Foegle is 5 times the player Arvidsson is. Arvidsson is trash. Foegle instantly makes this team better, his size, speed and willingness to go to the net is levels beying arvidsson

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Foegle is 5 times the player Arvidsson is. Arvidsson is trash. Foegle instantly makes this team better, his size, speed and willingness to go to the net is levels beying arvidsson

Well he’s not in the playoffs. I don’t know how obvious that can be.

 

[McShogun99]

Well they better start winning some games or else they wont even get the opportunity to play in the postseason,

It’s all part of the master plan. They drop to 8th and play Winnipeg in the first round since all 5 of our Cup wins went thru Winnipeg on the way to victory. Then we just crush them in the first round instead of hoping that they meet us in the Conference final. 4D chess.

 

[McFlash97]

Well he’s not in the playoffs. I don’t know how obvious that can be.

Bro. Stop playing man. Not a single poster here chooses Arvidsson over Foegle after what they've seen. No thank you.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Bro. Stop playing man. Not a single poster here chooses Arvidsson over Foegle after what they've seen. No thank you.

Does he or does he not disappear in the playoffs? Simple question.

If we wanted the regular season cup I would agree with you.

 

[Arpeggio]

I started the day feeling pretty down about the team and now I feel like, as always, many posters here are taking it way too far. Up until this losing streak the team was still playing like an elite team, and the metrics back that up. There's still time for guys to turn it around. A lot of hyperbole going on around here. A lot of the same things we heard before the team went to the Finals last season (team is cooked, can't win with Skinner, would be lucky to make it through two rounds).

There will be changes at the deadline. A few tweaks could get the team going again, no doubt in my mind.

 

[Bobieque]

Bro. Stop playing man. Not a single poster here chooses Arvidsson over Foegle after what they've seen. No thank you.

Sorry McFlash, I have to disagree, just based on what Arvid did in the playoffs last year. He was very, very positive for LA much more than Foegle was for us.

Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely. But I think of Connor Brown disappointing for an entire season than being amazing for us during the playoff run.

I’m going to be giving my final judgement on Arvid during the playoffs. Like I said, disappointed so far, but even now for a playoff run I would take him over Foegle.

 

[Arpeggio]

Sorry McFlash, I have to disagree, just based on what Arvid did in the playoffs last year. He was very, very positive for LA much more than Foegle was for us.

Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely. But I think of Connor Brown disappointing for an entire season than being amazing for us during the playoff run.

I’m going to be giving my final judgement on Arvid during the playoffs. Like I said, disappointed so far, but even now for a playoff run I would take him over Foegle.

Arvidsson's scoring isn't even that terrible when you consider 0 power play time. I mean it's not great. But would it kill the coach to give some other guys a shot on the top PP to try and get some guys some good looks at the net? Nuge hasn't done anything in his spot for a while now.

Time to get creative and give guys some new opportunities.

 

[McFlash97]

Sorry McFlash, I have to disagree, just based on what Arvid did in the playoffs last year. He was very, very positive for LA much more than Foegle was for us.

Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely. But I think of Connor Brown disappointing for an entire season than being amazing for us during the playoff run.

I’m going to be giving my final judgement on Arvid during the playoffs. Like I said, disappointed so far, but even now for a playoff run I would take him over Foegle.

some people are still on that derailed train I see.

 

[K1984]

I started the day feeling pretty down about the team and now I feel like, as always, many posters here are taking it way too far. Up until this losing streak the team was still playing like an elite team, and the metrics back that up. There's still time for guys to turn it around. A lot of hyperbole going on around here. A lot of the same things we heard before the team went to the Finals last season (team is cooked, can't win with Skinner, would be lucky to make it through two rounds).

There will be changes at the deadline. A few tweaks could get the team going again, no doubt in my mind.

Just like the first time this season that it was determined the team was too “old and slow” to compete, they won’t be as “old and slow” the second they wake up and play to their ability.

I really wish I knew why, but this type of bullshit stretch is part of the process here. It just is what it is, and is an indicator of nothing other than just being in another Oiler season.

Arvidsson's scoring isn't even that terrible when you consider 0 power play time. I mean it's not great. But would it kill the coach to give some other guys a shot on the top PP to try and get some guys some good looks at the net? Nuge hasn't done anything in his spot for a while now.

Time to get creative and give guys some new opportunities.

Nuge and Bouchard should be taken off the PP when they’re playing like they are now.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

some people are still on that derailed train I see.

lol good point

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Just because Arvidsson has been crap doesn't mean that Foegele should've still been here at his cap hit. Foegele and McLeod are not players that I miss in the least. It's looking like none of these 3 are the answer here. Savoie could be part of the solution, those other guys are not.

 

[FlameChampion]

Just because Arvidsson has been crap doesn't mean that Foegele should've still been here at his cap hit. Foegele and McLeod are not players that I miss in the least. It's looking like none of these 3 are the answer here. Savoie could be part of the solution, those other guys are not.

Totally agree.

McLeod and Foegele did nothing in the bottom 6. They could only produce when they played with Draisaitl. Then they proceeded to do nothing in the playoffs.

I’m not saying the players brought in are better but losing Mcleod and Foegele is meh to me, especially Foegele. Furthermore he did nothing in his first two years here.

 

[Cloned]

Anyone actually thinking Bowman is grabbing a starting goalie is out to lunch.

His history of deadline deals
2011: Added Frolik, Salak, Campoli
3rd liner, toss in and a 7th d
2012: Oduya. Ended up being a solid middle pair guy.
2013: Henrique Karlsson (AHL), Handzus(4th liner)
2014: Rundblad, Brisebois both pretty much nothint
2015: Timonen (7th d) Vermette (3rd liner), Desjardins (4th liner)
2016: Panik, Sekac, Ladd, Matt Fraser, Jay Harrison. So a 3rd liner, nothing, 2nd liner, and more nothing
2017: Jurco, Oduya again

And then after that they weren’t really a playoff team anymore. So in his entire history the best he did was Ladd and Oduya. He has never successfully addressed things midseason. He was king of minor tweaks in their cup years and that’s it. Having big roster flaws is something he has been awful at addressing during the season. Ladd was good for the remaining regular season but had a bad playoffs. So really. Oduya was the best thing they have done.

Bowman has never been a big splash guy so zero reason to expect it.

Wasn’t Timonen the equivalent of Ekholm back then? Solid top 4 D who could play on the top pairing too?

I also remember Frolik being decent at the time.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Seravalli said on Oilers Now that there’s a definite possibility that Oilers may move Kane if they can’t get cap space

 

[Cloned]

Seravalli said on Oilers Now that there’s a definite possibility that Oilers may move Kane if they can’t get cap space

Kane needs to just take one for the team here and sit out till the playoffs. This isn’t a hard concept.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Okay and which one of those forwards is mostly playing with the best 5v5 player in the league who is rocking a 2.8 pts/60. Having a 0.43 Pts/gm when your main linemate has a 2.8 is absolutely putrid.

I can't tell you the Pts/60 of the players when they are together versus split up, but I can tell you the 5v5 on ice GF/60

Drai + Arvi w/o McDavid= 2.21 GF/60
McDavid w/o Arvi or Drai= 2.47 GF/60
Drai w/o Arvi or McDavid= 2.86 GF/60
Arvi w/o Drai or McDavid= 3.00 GF/60
McDavid + Drai w/o Arvi= 4.59 GF/60

I think its fair to say that Arvidssson is underperforming based on his history.

In his 590 NHL games he has been a 0.65 ppg player.
If you go to his time in LA immediatley prior to being traded to Edmonton (161 games) Arvidsson was a 0.76 ppg player. The LA numbers are being propped up with PP time though.
If you take out his 3 years in LA (where the PP pumped up his ppg) then his ppg is at 0.60.

In terms of Arvidssons career numbers this is a 33% drop in terms of his ppg. In terms of his career minus the LA years then its a 29% drop.

Not sure what his PP TOI is in Edmonton compared to his career so pure 5x5 numbers might be more revealing but there does appear to be some merit to suggesting that Arvidsson is underperforming with Edmonton.

This is a fair take and I'll say as a player he's never been super reliant on PP points other than 22/23 with LA, but we are still giving him far less PP time than he is used to (he has 2 PP pts with us)

It is fair to say he is underperforming based on career history & fair to say he is underperforming relative to the linemates he's been given an opportunity to play with, but I'll say we have 3 talented centers the chemistry hasn't been there with Drai and Connor is not playing well with anyone this season other than Drai, Hyman, & Bouchard; even on Team Canada Connor was a pain in the ass to find linemates that meshed with him. RNH and Arvi have been working as a duo and should get more runway to see if there is something there.

My issue with the bitching is the hysterics in saying that the Arvi signing was so bad that we should fire management cause of it or we should bundle him with a 2nd round pick just to be rid of the contract, those are insane takes for someone who very much fits the curve and is slightly on the higher end of what $4M forwards produce in points.

The general sentiment should be somewhere between ho-hum to a minor mistake, not this is a disastrous signing, this is nowhere close to be the equivalent of signing Jack Campbell or giving Nurse his bloated contract.

 

[McDNicks17]

Seravalli said on Oilers Now that there’s a definite possibility that Oilers may move Kane if they can’t get cap space

1) Spend all your assets to move Kane to create cap space
2) ???
3) Success

 

[belair]

Totally agree.

McLeod and Foegele did nothing in the bottom 6. They could only produce when they played with Draisaitl. Then they proceeded to do nothing in the playoffs.

I’m not saying the players brought in are better but losing Mcleod and Foegele is meh to me, especially Foegele. Furthermore he did nothing in his first two years here.

This is completely false. These players didn't play with Draisaitl until midway through their final season here. They both had upward trajectory during their time here and were ~30 point per year players who both contributed to special teams. That's better than average for a third line player in the NHL.

The fact that their production spiked when playing with Draisaitl only proves that you don't need to spend unnecessarily on inflated veteran FAs to get production with your elite Cs.

I'm fine with the McLeod trade. We got a solid prospect who's likely to pay dividends in the near future. But I'd easily take the upside on Foegele over seeing through the remainder of Kane's bloated contract or Arvidsson's.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kane needs to just take one for the team here and sit out till the playoffs. This isn’t a hard concept.

If he doesn't and it f***s us then somewhere along the line someone needs to get shitcanned for it.