Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[Jarvi]

Henrique in the top 6 easy? Then why hasn't he feasted on bottom 6 players? I mean a 0.7PPG top 6 player in Anaheim coming to Edmonton playing the easiest minutes should be scoring left and right. Yet his line was the worst in the playoffs.

You don't understand deployment. Take that into consideration, his linemates, and the fact that he wasn't ever really a shutdown C before here, and he had a pretty good season.

 

[Canovin]

You mean "playoffs Brown" who shows up one series each postseason and had been HS each postseason?

Its like the cult of Brown. He shows for 7 games and disappears the rest

"Playoff Brown" 8 career playoff goals even including a few ENG. lol Even with the ENG's he scores around 1 goal every 8 playoff games.

Yeah, fails fact check.

And how many series did Henrique showed up for? haha

Guy cost us a 1st and in a way you can say his extension cost us Holloway and Broberg, his production has been stale to say the least, worse than Brown. At least with Brown we signed him for free.

 

[Drivesaitl]

And how many series did Henrique showed up for? haha

Guy cost us a 1st and in a way you can say his extension cost us Holloway and Broberg, his production has been stale to say the least, worse than Brown. At least with Brown we signed him for free.

Tell the board again how good Brown was on the pk. We could use a laugh on a Tuesday.

 

[Draiskull]

I think "he's not a very good player" is a good enough reason.

Brown scored 13 goals while getting sub 15min TOI average without any PP time, 4 of those goals were game winners. He was even better in the playoffs scoring 5 more.

He also did as good as any other Oiler on the PK so not sure where the hate is coming from.

I just hated his contract last year which bled into his cap hit this year,

 

[Canovin]

Tell the board again how good Brown was on the pk. We could use a laugh on a Tuesday.

You're so out of it, you think today is a Tuesday haha

 

[foshizzle]

Dreams of Marner on Draisaitl wing

A playmaking winger would be ideal for Drai.

 

[foshizzle]

Brown score 13 goals while getting sub 15min TOI average without any PP time, 4 of those goals were game winners. He was even better in the playoffs scoring 5 more.

He also did as good as any other Oiler on the PK so not sure where the hate is coming from.

I just hated his contract last year which bled into his cap hit this year,

Because it’s an outlier. He also had 5 playoff goals- he had 3 prior to this year…And no, he isn’t good on the PK.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You're so out of it, you think today is a Tuesday haha

lol Retirement does that. I'll give you the good score.

There, I gave you a laugh.

Its great though. I have no Mondays in my life either now.

 

[Stoneman89]

And how many series did Henrique showed up for? haha

Guy cost us a 1st and in a way you can say his extension cost us Holloway and Broberg, his production has been stale to say the least, worse than Brown. At least with Brown we signed him for free.

Henrique's contract didn't cost us Broberg and Holloway. Firstly, Ken Holland did by not getting them signed earlier. Then Jeff Jackson doubled down and signed Arvidsson and Skinner, leaving virtually no leftover money, finishing the screwup.

 

[Jarvi]

Brown scored 13 goals while getting sub 15min TOI average without any PP time, 4 of those goals were game winners. He was even better in the playoffs scoring 5 more.

He also did as good as any other Oiler on the PK so not sure where the hate is coming from.

I just hated his contract last year which bled into his cap hit this year,

Brown had the worst GA/60 numbers for forwards on the PK in the regular season. Haven't checked playoffs, but I doubt it improved.

He was not good on the kill this year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

How many of those trades were in division?

I mean they're in the same division in name alone lol.

This is like Steve Tambellini avoiding a deal with the Nucks because they're "in the division" lol.

 

[foshizzle]

This board really doesn't like Henrique? I think he's too old now, just saying but there were a lot of players worse than him in regular season and playoffs. Plus he's versatile and can be used in different spots. I think the team hasn't fully realized that as Henrique has a good shot and should get some ozone faceoffs with topsix. I think Drai. That he's rarely used there when we audition anybody is strange to me. Henrique plays best with skill players. We could still get some Corey Perry type stuff spot usage out of him. The guy can score. He's a 300goal NHL scorer that really gets slept on by the Oilers.

I don’t think it’s dislike. I like Henrique and he has put up great defensive numbers. The fact remains that he is what, 36? His production has dropped off a cliff, he has gotten slower, and the team as whole, runs out of gas by the time the finals hit because they are the oldest team in the league. His value at 3M isn’t there.

 

[foshizzle]

Brown had the worst GA/60 numbers for forwards on the PK in the regular season. Haven't checked playoffs, but I doubt it improved.

He was not good on the kill this year.

He sucks on the PK. He literally skates in circles all PK with his stick at waist level. He doesn’t get in the passing lanes and doesn’t block shots. His whole game is just skating as fast as he can to all corners of the ice without really doing anything

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I think "he's not a very good player" is a good enough reason.

?? Not my experience. Wanting Connor Brown to be something else isn't Brown's fault. I don't want him in the top-6 either, but I don't chose to play him there.

 

[Draiskull]

Because it’s an outlier. He also had 5 playoff goals- he had 3 prior to this year…And no, he isn’t good on the PK.

There is a greater chance of 2023-24 season being the outlier one since he has produced around 30 pts in 7 of the last 9 seasons. the other one is when he played just 4 games.

Also not that it makes much difference but he had 4 goals not 3 last season and if he isnt good on PK then no one else is either.
Brown was no better and no worse than Nuge, Janmark, Podkolzin, Kapanen, Ryan or whoever else we have deployed at PK. Only Janmark (3) had more shorthanded points than him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don’t think it’s dislike. I like Henrique and he has put up great defensive numbers. The fact remains that he is what, 36? His production has dropped off a cliff, he has gotten slower, and the team as whole, runs out of gas by the time the finals hit because they are the oldest team in the league. His value at 3M isn’t there.

Not in bottomsix, no. As a potential winger for Drai Henrique probably a 20G lock even in bit usage and limited minutes. Similar to how Perry was used, but Perry was cheap.

Mostly I agree with you but a lot of the older players should be cleared.

 

[Little Fury]

?? Not my experience. Wanting Connor Brown to be something else isn't Brown's fault. I don't want him in the top-6 either, but I don't chose to play him there.

i don't think he's very good as a bottom sixer/PKer either. Replacement level.

 

[Draiskull]

Brown had the worst GA/60 numbers for forwards on the PK in the regular season. Haven't checked playoffs, but I doubt it improved.

He was not good on the kill this year.

and who had good numbers? With the goaltending and defense we ice im sure all had sub par numbers.

I will gladly bring him back for 1.5M or less. Same with Perry, Klingberg and Kapanen.

 

[Jarvi]

He sucks on the PK. He literally skates in circles all PK with his stick at waist level. He doesn’t get in the passing lanes and doesn’t block shots. His whole game is just skating as fast as he can to all corners of the ice without really doing anything

Chasing shorties. Probably wanted a big offensive year and a little overconfident from the ones they got in the playoffs last year. But yeah, lead to him being pretty useless on the kill.

 

[foshizzle]

??? What do you mean? Skinner just took a team to the finals twice, he's a young goaltender, Henrique is decent veteran center with alot of history in the organization for their $6.4M goalie who can't really stay healthy and is getting passed in the organization.

Again, if the Ducks wanted more, they should have traded him at the deadline.

I’m sure the first go round having historical PK, McDavid breaking playoff records, Bouchard breaking playoff records, one of the best PPs, being the first team in history to win a series with .833 save % had nothing to do with it. It was all skinner. This year- he had to have Pickard win 7 playoff games of the 16 needed.

 

[FlameChampion]

I don’t think it’s dislike. I like Henrique and he has put up great defensive numbers. The fact remains that he is what, 36? His production has dropped off a cliff, he has gotten slower, and the team as whole, runs out of gas by the time the finals hit because they are the oldest team in the league. His value at 3M isn’t there.

I agree his value isn’t there but its not egregious either. But I don’t think the Oilers have used Henrique well. He’s still smart and has a good shot. But I would also say that trying to replace him might cost more in terms of assets and cap/term.

I personally don’t think Frederic is a center. Team doesn’t seem to want to use Nuge as a 3C.

1 year term might be smart with O’Reilley on the way.

I think the team’s preference is someone like Pageau as the 3C. I could see that move eventually pushing Henrique out.

 

[Jarvi]

and who had good numbers? With the goaltending and defense we ice im sure all had sub par numbers.

I will gladly bring him back for 1.5M or less. Same with Perry, Klingberg and Kapanen.

Literally every other pk fwd on the team had better numbers and played in front of the same d/g.

 

[foshizzle]

Not in bottomsix, no. As a potential winger for Drai Henrique probably a 20G lock even in bit usage and limited minutes. Similar to how Perry was used, but Perry was cheap.

Mostly I agree with you but a lot of the older players should be cleared.

Perry was horrible in the top 6. He had the lowest production of any forward in points per 60 mins 5v5. I like Henrique- he isn’t getting to 20 anymore. He can’t fly up and down the ice like McDavid and Draisaitl can. He’ll be gassed by the time the playoffs start.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

IMO Brown was moved up to the top line because McDavid wanted him there.

Lol I highly doubt that as soon as he was moved there that line went iceberg cold.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I mean they're in the same division in name alone lol.

This is like Steve Tambellini avoiding a deal with the Nucks because they're "in the division" lol.

I’m not saying they won’t trade in division we see it all the time now. But they are not doing a divisional opponent a favour by trading them a missing piece for peanuts either.