Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[Sheikyerbouti]

The issue is I don't see the skillset. Kostin could do the same for league minimum and he win most of his fight

If you think these players are comparable, it's a you issue. Kostin could hardly be trusted with 7 mins and Frederic played shutdown minutes in Boston, he has 100X the hockey IQ of Kostin

 

[Jarvi]

Kostin replaces Jones, not Frederic lol.

 

[foshizzle]

He’s coming to an end of a $100 million contract plus endorsements. If he values winning over money, he’ll leave money on the table so there’s room to sign players to get them over the hump. If he values money over winning, then the team is what it is.

I think he’ll sign but it won’t be for 8 years, it’ll be more like 4 or 5. If they win a cup or two over that time and are still contenders, maybe he extends. If not and the team regresses, then he asks for a trade.

Other posters can laugh and scoff but the above is for not anyways, either way. As long as Gary is commissioner, a Canadian team has no hope in winning it. They’ll make the finals but no closer.

He’ll sign for 8. He won’t want to go through this again. If the Oilers go into a rebuild- he’ll get traded to a team of his choice.

 

[MessierII]

The issue is I don't see the skillset. Kostin could do the same for league minimum and he win most of his fights

At the end of the day it’s the GM’s who have watched his career whose opinions count. Someone will pay him.

He played through the high ankle sprain and that’s on the management for not doing their homework but when he’s healthy and forechecking he is a force and he can finish around the net a decent amount while playing solid defensively.

Hes only 27 and if we can get him back to scoring 15-20 goals he’s a player every team wants. He also told knobloch in his exit interviews he prefers to play center and if he does have to play the wing he even prefers right wing and they only played him at left wing.

 

[FlameChampion]

Kostin replaces Jones, not Frederic lol.

Could probably replace Janmark too at this point

 

[Canovin]

If you think these players are comparable, it's a you issue. Kostin could hardly be trusted with 7 mins and Frederic played shutdown minutes in Boston, he has 100X the hockey IQ of Kostin

Kostin was trusted to play on Drai's line. That's more than good enough. Not sure why you bringing up Frederic's Boston days. We just saw Frederic. He hardly did anything. That's enough sample size to not give him 3.85M. Kostin had a better playoffs with the Oilers haha

 

[foshizzle]

If you think these players are comparable, it's a you issue. Kostin could hardly be trusted with 7 mins and Frederic played shutdown minutes in Boston, he has 100X the hockey IQ of Kostin

I had to double take when I read the comparison

 

[foshizzle]

Could probably replace Janmark too at this point

Janmark is a not an NHL player imho. There is nothing that he brings to the table. Last year he started strong defensively, but that tailed off big time. He can’t score. He can’t kill penalties.

The Oilers need to improve on these types of players. I count Brown in that group as well.

 

[The Nuge]

We can't lock in many long term deals without having at least an idea of what he's looking at.

Not only that but it drastically affects our appeal. McDavid being here for the next 9 years guarantees you’re signing with a contender. No McDavid extension might mean you have to pay more

 

[Jarvi]

Could probably replace Janmark too at this point

Yeah, I wanna see guys like Podz and Frederic getting more PK reps too, which really makes it tough to keep Janmark as an every-game guy. Good enough 13f though.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Kostin was trusted to play on Drai's line. That's more than good enough. Not sure why you bringing up Frederic's Boston days. We just saw Frederic. He hardly did anything. That's enough sample size to not give him 3.85M. Kostin had a better playoffs with the Oilers haha

Frederic played like ass but he also played injured. If anything the sample size for Boston is more accurate than what it was for us. Frederic can play all 3 forward positions and is a plus defensive player, while Kostin is a winger who brings great energy but often misses defensive assignments to throw those hits. Frederic hit 15 goals and >30 even strength points on multiple occasions while Kostin only hit 10 goals and 20 points once, with a 20% shooting percentage at that. I'll take Kostin at 1 million over Frederic at 4 million. No question about it. But let's not pretend he's a better player.

EDIT: Also bring Klim home. He's exactly what we need on our 4th line. Functional toughness with speed that can score the occasional goal for cheap.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not only that but it drastically affects our appeal. McDavid being here for the next 9 years guarantees you’re signing with a contender. No McDavid extension might mean you have to pay more

Of course, no disrespect to the cost-controlled superstar Leon Draisaitl, aging like a fine wine, that is locked in for the next 8 years.

I absolutely want McDavid to re-sign for max term, but this team can easily be a contender with a re-tool around Draisaitl, the second best player in the league.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Frederic played like ass but he also played injured. If anything the sample size for Boston is more accurate than what it was for us. Frederic can play all 3 forward positions and is a plus defensive player, while Kostin is a winger who brings great energy but often misses defensive assignments to throw those hits. Frederic hit 15 goals and >30 even strength points on multiple occasions while Kostin only hit 10 goals and 20 points once, with a 20% shooting percentage at that. I'll take Kostin at 1 million over Frederic at 4 million. No question about it. But let's not pretend he's a better player.

EDIT: Also bring Klim home. He's exactly what we need on our 4th line. Functional toughness with speed that can score the occasional goal for cheap.

Honestly the correct answer is you need multiple people to fill both roles.

Frederic does a nice job playing physical within a team's system, while for Kostin to be successful, he needs to play like a bull in a china shop that has his teammates covering for him.

Kostin's a far closer successor to Kane's role (especially if you have concerns about Kane's ability to play top 6 minutes).


Personally I'd take all 3. Mix in Podkolzin and Hyman, and you have a super physical group of forwards that can open up ice for the likes of McDavid, Drai, RNH, Henrique, and Savoie come playoffs, plus score some goals themselves.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He may PK, but he doesn't do it well.

I was hoping we'd see his skating improve after fighting a high ankle sprain last year in the playoffs, but I think it actually got worse. Need guys who can actually skate on the PK, and more speed overall in the forward group. Our forecheck wasn't nearly as effective this year with the loss of Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod up front. It was extremely evident in the finals without Hyman. Florida's D had way too much time to move the puck.

Agreed on the second part, but Henrique-RNH was their only decent PK pair this season.

The big issues on the PK were Janmark-Brown falling off, and Podkolzin-Kapanen not being anywhere near as good a duo as McLeod-Foegele.

 

[M Ace]

Looking through this years UFA's I think the following players can be had quitely chap;
Many of them may even work in top 6 minutes with McDrai.

Maxim Shabanov
Grigori Denisenko
Klim Kostin
Egor Sokolov
Nikita Gusev
Maxim Berezkin (Our own draft pick)
James van Riemsdyk
Cam Atkinson
Victor Olofsson
Brandon Saad
Nico Sturm
Andrew Mangiapane
Jack Roslovic
Pius Sutter
Anthony Beauvillier
Kevin Labanc
Taylor Raddysh
Justin Brazeau
Alex Barre-Boulet
Michael Eyssimont
Daniel Sprong
Christian Fischer
Tanner Jeannot
Cody Glass
Philip Kurashev
Isac Lundeström
Samuel Fagemo
Olle Lycksell
Rasmus Asplund
Angus Crookshank
Nathan Bastian
Wyatt Bongiovanni
Trey Fix-Wolansky
Jake Leschyshyn
Jere Innala
Juha Jaaska
Travis Boyd
Kieffer Bellows
Jakub Vrana
Cole Reinhardt
Benoit-Olivier Groulx
Alex Steeves

 

[AddyTheWrath]

He's a small 32 year old that put up 3rd line production mostly with one of the premier centers in the league at $4m. If I'm a GM why am I doing the Oilers a favor? What's the selling point of taking Arvidsson at that caphit?
The only GM that I could see taking him for free is Ken Holland ironically, he has a history of taking salary dumps because he doesn't squeeze GMs.

You should take a look around the league. There aren’t many sellers. That alone should give Arvidsson positive trade value.

Plus, it’s pretty easy to rationalize his year as a one off. He’s been quite productive in every other season, and his lackluster year could be due to the fact that he missed most of the previous season due to an injury. He also had a 96% PDO and was fairly productive in limited minutes even in the playoffs.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

It does in the event that he doesn't want to extend.

Not really. There’s no universe where we don’t go into the season with him on the roster even if he hasn’t signed

 

[AddyTheWrath]

This is the forward group I’m envisioning. Might be a bit too hopeful because I doubt they move Henrique, but ideally;

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
X - Draisaitl - Savoie/Tomasek
Frederic - Y - Brown
Podkolzin - Janmark - Z

Extra: Perry or Kapanen or Z

X could be someone like Barbashev or Ehlers, Y could be a Glass or Pageau or even Tomasek if Savoie impresses, Z could be Kostin

 

[MessierII]

They have to get Berezkin signed and bring him over. Definitely want to see what we have there.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Hmmm I’m king of getting a bit nervous re McDavid signing here again. It seems as if he has reservations about signing here due to our team not really being built for long term sustainable success. I can’t blame him as our current window to win it all is fading fast. Time will tell though.

They need to know roughly what his number is now as it will impact our cap going forward. For example if he wants the full boat 20M x 8 we cant afford to sign Bouchard and keep Nurse. Not that I think he would want the full boat but we need to do our due diligence on his expectations heading into this critical week. I have zero doubt that he is signing here.

 

[harpoon]

Brown was playing well before the concussion.

If it were anyone but Brown that poster would be bending over backwards with the concussion/injured excuse. Hell, he even makes up injuries for players he likes when there’s no evidence of anything whatsoever happening. But for Brown who has a legit and serious injury? Crickets and condemnation. It’s quite sad.

 

[M Ace]

I hope the approach is aiming higher with fewer mid ticket additions, more surefire options, and getting a bunch of cheap overlooked youth to fight for spots.

You think Philip Kurashev, Cody Glass etc.?

 

[Jarvi]

This is the forward group I’m envisioning. Might be a bit too hopeful because I doubt they move Henrique, but ideally;

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
X - Draisaitl - Savoie/Tomasek
Frederic - Y - Brown
Podkolzin - Janmark - Z

Extra: Perry or Kapanen or Z

X could be someone like Barbashev or Ehlers, Y could be a Glass or Pageau or even Tomasek if Savoie impresses, Z could be Kostin

Interesting, I am very curious to see what Tomasek brings. I would also like to see Podz get some more opportunity to produce than 4th line, I really think we're building something with him. I would like to see something like this

X-McDavid-Hyman
X-Draisaitl-Savoie
X-Nuge-Tomasek
Janmark-Philp-Y

X's is 3 of Henrique, Podkolzin, Frederic, Ehlers. I wouldn't mind any on the 3rd line, if in the top 6 I prefer Henrique on 1, Podz/Ehlers on 2, and Frederic on either. If we get Ehlers or some other top 6 upgrade, I think Henrique has to go, capwise.

I think Nuge on the 3rd could give us that 3 line attack that Florida has. Tomasek can help with RH draws.

For Y, I like Cody Glass or Kapanen.

 

[Jarvi]

You think Philip Kurashev, Cody Glass etc.?

Glass, yes I'm interested. He is good defensively from the sounds of things, and fills a need as a big rhc for the bottom 6.

Kurashev, no. He needed 19mpg and a whack of PP time to get 54 points, once Donato got those minutes he went from a career 20-30pt guy to 31+31. He won't get top 6+PP deployment here.

They need to target guys who can produce with lower minutes, not target guys who produce with great deployment and hope it translates to the bottom 6.

 

[M Ace]

Kostin was trusted to play on Drai's line. That's more than good enough. Not sure why you bringing up Frederic's Boston days. We just saw Frederic. He hardly did anything. That's enough sample size to not give him 3.85M. Kostin had a better playoffs with the Oilers haha

Wonder how a line with Kostin-Draisaitl-Podzkolzin would be?

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