Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[MoontoScott]

With the escalating cap the price point on UFAs is going to be obscene for anyone with any cache at all.

We scoff at the price points on those players, but all three are quite likely to be cheaper than their market alternatives with the possible exception of Arvidsson, but even then I don't think its far off.

If they are trying to unload these 3 players (we don't know if they are but lets assume for a moment its true) then I'd say that the odds of a trade versus a buyout are about 50-50 for each of the three.

 

[McShogun99]

I would have kept Drai and McDavid apart. Perry struggled on that first line. He was way to slow to forecheck and couldn’t get back to back-check. He was creating nothing for McDavid, including space. It made it super easy on Florida’s defence. Nuge and J skinner would have been better options. Drai should have had Podkolzin and Arvidsson. Are they ideal wingers? Far from it- but they had a positive goal share when together. Perry should have gotten PP time and the occasional bump up.

I respectfully disagree with you on it being a blowout series. Bring Bob’s save % back to earth and Stu’s to league average. If Oilers could kill a penalty we would be talking about game 7. The Oilers couldn’t get a lead because Skinner couldn’t make a damn save. Bob on the the other end was stopping everything. Oilers also hit posts and bounced out Florida hit posts and bounced in. You’re talking about score effects- but that’s not what happened here. Oilers had to take more risks because Skinner would let in 2 goals on the first 5 or 6 shots. Coffey’s d-pairs were also terrible.

One thing the oilers did get destroyed in was coaching. Maurice was simply too experienced and much more savvy than the Coffey/Knob combo.

Fun fact- Sunny Mehta- the assistant GM for Florida who Zito credits for finding the players that Florida built its roster on was an Oilers blogger.

The first 2 games of the series we mostly ran McDrai on separate lines and those were by far our two best games of the series. Games 3 to 6, McDrai played almost exclusively together which made it easy for Florida to shut them down while the rest of the lineup had almost no support.

 

[foshizzle]

Well, you know I'm not going to disagree on the goaltending. Extreme disparity but thats part of discussion around teams. Again if we don't get a goalie here, a #1 then I don't even see the point anymore. You're not gonna winner with Skinner.

Oh 100%. I am absolutely dumbfounded by the organization’s refusal to admit that Skinner is a back-up, not a starter. They are so dead set to make him a starter come Hell or high water. The fact of the matter is that he is the worst in the league in rush chance save % and dead last amongst starters in goals saved above expected- and dead last in goals saved above expected for goalies playing atleast 20 games (reg season)). So, he is barely a back up at this point

 

[K1984]

Oh 100%. I am absolutely dumbfounded by the organization’s refusal to admit that Skinner is a back-up, not a starter. They are so dead set to make him a starter come Hell or high water. The fact of the matter is that he is the worst in the league in rush chance save % and dead last amongst starters in goals saved above expected- and dead last in goals saved above expected for goalies playing atleast 20 games (reg season)). So, he is barely a back up at this point

Just need someone to "push" him!

Might scream if I hear this one more time. That or "there aren't any elite starters available!"

 

[MoontoScott]

Well, you know I'm not going to disagree on the goaltending. Extreme disparity but thats part of discussion around teams. Again if we don't get a goalie here, a #1 then I don't even see the point anymore. You're not gonna winner with Skinner.

Its very unlikely that Mc-D is going to leave but you can bet he's watching the goaltending situation very closely before he decides on what term he wants.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Its very unlikely that Mc-D is going to leave but you can bet he's watching the goaltending situation very closely before he decides on what term he wants.

I think both Leon and Connor are done with the goaltending carousel. Would not surprise me if both told Bowman get a goalie or we want out to be honest.

 

[K1984]

I think both Leon and Connor are done with the goaltending carousel. Would not surprise me if both told Bowman get a goalie or we want out to be honest.

Removing any and all externalities - the fact that we felt the need to put a goalie of Calvin Pickard's ability in a tied Stanley Cup Final tells you all you need to know about our starting goalie.

That would be enough for any other organization to say no more and make it a priority, the narrative so far seems to be that getting anyone better is impossible so I guess we'll just have to make due with a better backup to throw in the playoffs next year when he craters. Ridiculous.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

As I begin to let the emotion go from the finals, here's where I stand on the goaltending.

I'm not willing to give up anything significant for someone who isn't a slam-dunk upgrade over Stu. And unless we get that type of goalie, whoever we bring in needs to tandem with Stu. It might not be the situation we dream of, but we have to look at what Toronto did with Stolarz. Maybe whoever this goalie is, is someone we aren't thinking of. We acquired Walman, Podkolzin and Emberson when there was no noise around them even being available. Essentially, a 2nd is the max we should be giving up for someone who isn't elite.

If I'm throwing big assets at someone, it's either a top 10 goalie in the league, or a driver on offense.

Look at it this way ...the rumoured ask for Gibson at the deadline was 2 firsts. Insane. If Dallas didn't come through with their Rantanen offer, we may have been able to pull it off with 2 firsts and Savoie. Which of those trades do you think gives us a better chance at a cup? Imagine if a player like Rantanen could have driven a 3rd line (or a 2nd line when we wanted to go McDrai on line 1).

 

[MoontoScott]

I think both Leon and Connor are done with the goaltending carousel. Would not surprise me if both told Bowman get a goalie or we want out to be honest.

I hate to say I agree with you--- but I agree with you.

I don't think that either one wants to leave but you could see the frustration in both their faces for most of the season.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I hate to say I agree with you--- but I agree with you.

I don't think that either one wants to leave but you could see the frustration in both their faces for most of the season.

I can’t blame them when our average save percentage is 880 something and every other team seems to be low 900s:

 

[Jarvi]

Out:Kane, Arvidsson, Ekholm, Stu, Rico, 20.63m

In: Ehlers@ 8.5, Fabbro@ 4.5, Gibson 2x  retained@ 1.6 Bouchard@ 10, Glass@ 1.2, Kapanen@ 1.2
Total in 27m

Nuge(5.13)-Davo(12.5)-Hyman(5.5)
Ehlers(8.5)-Drai(14)-Savoie(890k)
Podz(1)-Frederic(3.85)-Tomasek(1.2)
Janmark(1.4)-Philp(950k)-Glass(1.2)
Jones(1)-Kapanen(1.2)
Total- 58.32

Kulak(2.75)-Bouchard(10)
Walman(3.4)-Fabbro(4.5)
Nurse(9.25)-Stecher(790k)
Emberson(1.3)
Total-31.99

Gibson 1.6
Backup 1
Penalties 2.55

Total 95.46m

A ton of 30+ junk moved out, replaced with a prime aged top 6 fwd and top 4 RHD, and big RHC for the bottom 6 who has room to grow. The only traded asset is Gibson, which should be easy enough to accomplish asset wise from what you gained in the other moves.

If Fabbro costs more, you could move Emberson or Janmark, or run a short roster. He is a BC kid, so maybe he takes a bit less (projected as 4.5-5.5 iirc) to come to a winner close to home.

 

[Canovin]

I think both Leon and Connor are done with the goaltending carousel. Would not surprise me if both told Bowman get a goalie and trade Nurse or we want out to be honest.

Fixed it for you

 

[bucks_oil]

Fixed it for you

Aren't they besties? I feel like that would never happen.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Fixed it for you

I doubt they are scrambling to trade their best friend. As much as we as fans don’t agree they like Nurse and want him to be here when we finally get over that last jump.

 

[CycloneSweep]

It's not Broberg and Holloway or Klingberg lol. Klingberg wasn't signed until Kane was put on LTIR. When the offersheets came around, the Oilers had no idea if they were putting Kane on

We accrued essentially Klingbergs contract.
Walkman’s money was in Kanes LTIR

 

[Canovin]

We accrued essentially Klingbergs contract.
Walkman’s money was in Kanes LTIR

We didn't accrue anything. It was either accrued cap space or Kane LTIR. The Oilers chose Kane LTIR and Klingberg signing falls under Kane LTIR.

 

[Canovin]

Aren't they besties? I feel like that would never happen.

I doubt they are scrambling to trade their best friend. As much as we as fans don’t agree they like Nurse and want him to be here when we finally get over that last jump.

Once we acquired a bonafide starting goalie and not win, heads will start turning towards Nurse. I mean it's already are but Stuart took some heat off Nurse. Once Stuart is gone, it'll only be Nurse

 

[CycloneSweep]

We didn't accrue anything. It was either accrued cap space or Kane LTIR. The Oilers chose Kane LTIR and Klingberg signing falls under Kane LTIR.

That is false. We didn’t dip into LTIR until the Walman trade.

Do you not remember this whole thing before the deadline where they thought they might trade him so they can make a trade. We had like 27k in cap space.

 

[Canovin]

That is false. We didn’t dip into LTIR until the Walman trade.

Do you not remember this whole thing before the deadline where they thought they might trade him so they can make a trade. We had like 27k in cap space.

How exactly do you put Kane on LTIR at the start of the season and all of a sudden decided to start accruing cap space mid season?

 

[CycloneSweep]

How exactly do you put Kane on LTIR at the start of the season and all of a sudden decided to start accruing cap space mid season?

Because you acrue can until you dip into the LtIR space. This was talked about the entire season. We didn’t know if Kane was going to miss the entire season till 24 hours before the deadline.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Oh 100%. I am absolutely dumbfounded by the organization’s refusal to admit that Skinner is a back-up, not a starter. They are so dead set to make him a starter come Hell or high water. The fact of the matter is that he is the worst in the league in rush chance save % and dead last amongst starters in goals saved above expected- and dead last in goals saved above expected for goalies playing atleast 20 games (reg season)). So, he is barely a back up at this point

I’m trying to think if there has ever been a team that is so delusional when it comes to the abilities of one of their players.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I’m trying to think if there has ever been a team that is so delusional when it comes to the abilities of one of their players.

Yes the Oilers and Schultz

 

[aggressive forecheck]

It only wasn’t dirty because he missed him. If you look at the angle he was coming in at it was an attempt at a blind side hit. Hyman saw him at the last second and tried to avoid it which put the full force on his wrist.

If Marchment made contact with Hyman's head Marchment probably gets 5 and a game for charging, perhaps with an "intent to injure" tacked on, with a possible suspension incoming depending on the injury outcome from the hit. I don't think the agle of the hit would have met the requirements for a blindside hit. Hyman saw it coming and protected himself with his stick. Leading to the wrist injury.

Ironically, if Marchment does connect, and it's a headshot, Marchment who is the Stars most physical player gets the gate and there is a good chance Hyman shakes off the cobwebs, because he's a warrior, and plays out the series and then he's off to the finals.

Just more shit to enrage... we owe Dallas a shitload of pain. The Oil can't let that go or the entire league will identify the club as pushovers and injuries will eventually follow. And I don't care about the Dallas Star's bottom six or bottom pairing. You get their top guy. Then you get their second top gup. Then you run their starting goaltender.

 

[joestevens29]

I’m trying to think if there has ever been a team that is so delusional when it comes to the abilities of one of their players.

The worse for me is I can get on board that the goalie market is a tough place.

But at no time have they made any sort of change to maybe help draft and develop goalies.

We've been spinning our tires trying guys out and now hoping Skinner will be that guy, yet very little is done to draft and develop goalies.

I don't even know that I'd want the top goalie prospect in the world going into our farm team right now as I don't know that they'd ever pan out

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Meh

This season was a step back both regular season and playoffs. Last year despite going down 3-0 to Florida and eventually losing in 7 that team felt like it could actually compete with them. It really did feel like a coin flip.

This year they were obviously an inferior team to the Panthers. After the first game it never was close.

Our already old team is just getting older. We have next to no cap room. Basically no tradeable assets of value. And, a barren prospect cupboard with no one realistically making a significant impact in the foreseeable.

This team as it is now hasn’t been good enough to get over the hump two seasons in a row. It’s tough to get excited for it all again when there doesn’t really seem to be a path forward to actually crossing the finish line.

Who knows, maybe Bowman can work some miracles. Considering his body of work so far as our GM and his last few years in Chicago that seems like wishful thinking though.

This season was a step back because our number 1 defenseman was injured, our number one left winger broke his hand, our number 1 right winger was out, and one of our key penalty killers broke his foot