Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[Canovin]

Minnesota wanted a 1st for Rossi. I believe it was a late 1st too. Something around Nurse+Akey for Rossi?
Rossi rumored to want 7M. Sign him to 6.5M avv

 

[Jumptheshark]

Any investigation? Guessing not

of course not. He will "limping" right up the puck drop in game one and then be 110%

 

[Jumptheshark]

Minnesota wanted a 1st for Rossi. I believe it was a late 1st too. Something around Nurse+Akey for Rossi?
Rossi rumored to want 7M. Sign him to 6.5M avv

we will need to add sugar to a Nurse deal or retain 50%

 

[Canovin]

we will need to add sugar to a Nurse deal or retain 50%

Sugar? Minnesota already getting Akey to the city. What more do they want?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Any investigation? Guessing not

The reporting is that the team you ice in the playoffs has to be cap compliant so I can see Vegas rolling with 3 forward lines and 5 D come playoff time or finding some excuse why its ok for them to be $25M over the cap that Gary the Goblin OK's.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

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Klingberg was doing fine until Jamie Benn speared Klingberg's skates out from under him two feet from the boards, severely testing both of Klingergs hips. He failed the test.

Sure, Benn got a two minute minor but that was the end of playoff Klingberg.

Other things Dallas did. Scrub, I can't even recall his name, took out Nuge's feet on a two-on-one with McDavid, sending the Nuge into the boards. As well I cannot recall if there was a penalty on the play, I don't believe there was, and that's probably the play where Nuge broke his hand. Nuge headed straight to the dressing room and didn't return for 10 minutes.

Both of those plays were dirtier than the headshot dealt out to Connor Brown. Brown never recoverd from that. Oilers brought him back early. Personally I thought Brown should have sat until game three of the finals, and said as much receiving the accustomed barrage of critique, but they played him, to the delight of this board, in game one.

Dallas did Florida a huge favor and screwed the Oiles chances big time. To be sure Florida had their share of injuries and to more important players.

Not that it matters a hill of beans but I'm on record saying Ekholm should have never returned until during the first round and that was before he came back for that single game and injured his groin.

The Oiler's medical staff needs to be beaten.

Agreed on all counts, well said.

Dallas sure didn't play a physical game, but they had some extremely dirty and targeted play once they realized they were cooked. Without the plays you highlighted, I'd bet the team would have had enough to overcome Florida.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I missed Hyman but I really don't count that as a dirty play. Should have been a minor for interference but it was nowhere as dirty as the plays, either to Klingberg or RNH.

Sending players into the endboards with momentum is as low as it gets for me.

And I agree, DeBoer kept saying his Dallas Stars were "playing their best hockey" while that team was headhunting during the final games of that series.

It only wasn’t dirty because he missed him. If you look at the angle he was coming in at it was an attempt at a blind side hit. Hyman saw him at the last second and tried to avoid it which put the full force on his wrist.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

It only wasn’t dirty because he missed him. If you look at the angle he was coming in at it was an attempt at a blind side hit. Hyman saw him at the last second and tried to avoid it which put the full force on his wrist.

Not only that, but Marchment literally had an interview after the game where Hintz got chopped by Nurse where he said something along the lines of "I'm going to be looking for opportunities to hit them where it hurts."

The dude practically told everyone that he was going to go out and injure someone as "payback."

Ridiculous.

 

[redgrant]

Not only that, but Marchment literally had an interview after the game where Hintz got chopped by Nurse where said something along the lines of "I'm going to be looking for opportunities to hit them where it hurts."

The dude practically told everyone that he was going to go out and injure someone as "payback."

Ridiculous.

I always said that idiot nurse hitting hintz was unnecessary. He picks the absolute worst times to hurt this team.

Edmonton totally dominating Dallas and he has to now start to hurt top 6 players.

 

[foshizzle]

Nah. Quite clearly Florida solved us in the last 4 games of series. You don't go up 3-0 in a playoff game without having a lot to do with that. Florida controlled that game and gave it up. Only time it happened. The stats in that game are influenced by that, Florida hung back with the lead and as it was anytime for an opponent to do that, it was for Florida as well.

When front footing games Florida was the better team in last 4 games. Game 5? We mounted about 5-10mins and then disappeared.

You know that I do blame goaltending. But I've consistently blamed poor forward depth as well. We were not getting zone outs, we were not getting transition to offensive zone. Our wingers were getting stapled like the cheap rent they mostly are.

Who do you think should've been with McDrai? Of all the players I'd say 40yr old Perry had earned the spot. But thats also an indictment on our winger group.

I would have kept Drai and McDavid apart. Perry struggled on that first line. He was way to slow to forecheck and couldn’t get back to back-check. He was creating nothing for McDavid, including space. It made it super easy on Florida’s defence. Nuge and J skinner would have been better options. Drai should have had Podkolzin and Arvidsson. Are they ideal wingers? Far from it- but they had a positive goal share when together. Perry should have gotten PP time and the occasional bump up.

I respectfully disagree with you on it being a blowout series. Bring Bob’s save % back to earth and Stu’s to league average. If Oilers could kill a penalty we would be talking about game 7. The Oilers couldn’t get a lead because Skinner couldn’t make a damn save. Bob on the the other end was stopping everything. Oilers also hit posts and bounced out Florida hit posts and bounced in. You’re talking about score effects- but that’s not what happened here. Oilers had to take more risks because Skinner would let in 2 goals on the first 5 or 6 shots. Coffey’s d-pairs were also terrible.

One thing the oilers did get destroyed in was coaching. Maurice was simply too experienced and much more savvy than the Coffey/Knob combo.

Fun fact- Sunny Mehta- the assistant GM for Florida who Zito credits for finding the players that Florida built its roster on was an Oilers blogger.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I always said that idiot nurse hitting hintz was unnecessary. He picks the absolute worst times to hurt this team.

Edmonton totally dominating Dallas and he has to now start to hurt top 6 players.

It was barely even a slash. Hintz already had a fractured foot from blocking a shot in the Avs series. Yes it was a dumb slash but they used it an excuse to injure two guys. If there was any actual justice in the NHL Dallas would have been disciplined for intent to injure.

 

[Tarus]

With Vegas being Marner's preferred destination, was wondering how they were going to make the money work.

Sounds like they are dumping Hertl somewhere out east

 

[Paralyzer]

With Vegas being Marner's preferred destination, was wondering how they were going to make the money work.

Sounds like they are dumping Hertl somewhere out east

That, Pietrangelo going on LTIR, and dancing other cap issues. But Daddy Bettman will make sure his Expansion teams and Southern states get all the 'fair' treatment they deserve.

 

[K1984]

With Vegas being Marner's preferred destination, was wondering how they were going to make the money work.

Sounds like they are dumping Hertl somewhere out east

I'll preface this statement with an acknowledgement that Marner is hands down better than both players I'll mention.

However, if Vegas has to move one or more than one of Karlsson, Hertl, Hague, or Pietrangelo gone for the year, are they really significantly better? Especially at $13-14M AAV. I think shifting their forward group towards Eichel/Marner and away from Hertl/Karlsson will force them to move to a more run and gun style vs. the grindy style they play now.

 

[FlameChampion]

Sure seems quiet around the Oilers

 

[Jarvi]

There's a thread on this in the mains. 5M was apparently too low for Tavares. If he wanted 4M, he would have been signed already

I mean he's 34, but he was still basically 1 ppg last year, he's still a very effective player, if he wants to get paid, he should be lol.

Tavares is not the answer. He can't skate, doesn't provide much besides scoring and even then he wouldn't get the PP time here. He's been a 40-50pt ES guy for a few years now, playing with one of 2 star wingers.

2g -4 against the Panthers, never had a great playoffs.

Just get a winger and keep McDrai apart. Don't worry about games in November, if your down you stick to your lines and build chemistry throughout the season, even if it means a couple more losses in the first half of the year.

 

[oobga]

Sure seems quiet around the Oilers

Working day and night on getting Frederic down to 3.85M x 8 years instead of the full 4M

 

[foshizzle]

The main reason why the analytics were even close in those games is due to score effect since the Oilers were almost constantly playing from being outside of the first half of Game 2. In the meat of the games when they were really close the Oilers got badly outplayed. The one game when I thought the Oilers might have been the better team was Game 1, it was pretty much all Florida especially the last 4 games. It is what it is, there's no sugarcoating it. The far more deserving team won.

This is false. It’s a favourite of many to fall back on, but not true. The idea of the Oilers only played well because the panthers weren’t trying is ridiculous. Panthers won the series because their goalie was a .950 5v5 while ours was an AHL .860. If the Oilers were even close to league average on goaltending and PK- are you carrying the same tune?

 

[Canovin]

Tavares is not the answer. He can't skate, doesn't provide much besides scoring and even then he wouldn't get the PP time here. He's been a 40-50pt ES guy for a few years now, playing with one of 2 star wingers.

2g -4 against the Panthers, never had a great playoffs.

Just get a winger and keep McDrai apart. Don't worry about games in November, if your down you stick to your lines and build chemistry throughout the season, even if it means a couple more losses in the first half of the year.

He's not the answer at 5M+ for sure as he's more of a cardio merchant at this point in his career. I would still take him on the Oilers at 2M. But from the rumors, it seems like he's driven by $$ more than winning

 

[Drivesaitl]

I would have kept Drai and McDavid apart. Perry struggled on that first line. He was way to slow to forecheck and couldn’t get back to back-check. He was creating nothing for McDavid, including space. It made it super easy on Florida’s defence. Nuge and J skinner would have been better options. Drai should have had Podkolzin and Arvidsson. Are they ideal wingers? Far from it- but they had a positive goal share when together. Perry should have gotten PP time and the occasional bump up.

I respectfully disagree with you on it being a blowout series. Bring Bob’s save % back to earth and Stu’s to league average. If Oilers could kill a penalty we would be talking about game 7. The Oilers couldn’t get a lead because Skinner couldn’t make a damn save. Bob on the the other end was stopping everything. Oilers also hit posts and bounced out Florida hit posts and bounced in. You’re talking about score effects- but that’s not what happened here. Oilers had to take more risks because Skinner would let in 2 goals on the first 5 or 6 shots. Coffey’s d-pairs were also terrible.

One thing the oilers did get destroyed in was coaching. Maurice was simply too experienced and much more savvy than the Coffey/Knob combo.

Fun fact- Sunny Mehta- the assistant GM for Florida who Zito credits for finding the players that Florida built its roster on was an Oilers blogger.

Well, you know I'm not going to disagree on the goaltending. Extreme disparity but thats part of discussion around teams. Again if we don't get a goalie here, a #1 then I don't even see the point anymore. You're not gonna winner with Skinner.

 

[LTIR]

The closer we get to July 01 the tougher it will be to get rid of Henrique, Arvidsson , Kane contracts.
GMs will just sign UFAs instead.

 

[MoontoScott]

Working day and night on getting Frederic down to 3.85M x 8 years instead of the full 4M

I wonder if this 4M* 8 years is just something that Matheson came up with? I just find this hard to believe.

What I know for sure is that the 2 off-season priorities were:

-Sign Bouchard to an extension
-Upgrade the goalie position

The 2nd one won't be easy but hopefully its a much higher priority than this 8 year deal.

 

[K1984]

The closer we get to July 01 the tougher it will be to get rid of Henrique, Arvidsson , Kane contracts.
GMs will just sign UFAs instead.

With the escalating cap the price point on UFAs is going to be obscene for anyone with any cache at all.

We scoff at the price points on those players, but all three are quite likely to be cheaper than their market alternatives with the possible exception of Arvidsson, but even then I don't think its far off.

 

[oobga]

I wonder if this 4M* 8 years is just something that Matheson came up with? I just find this hard to believe.

What I know for sure is that the 2 off-season priorities were:

-Sign Bouchard to an extension
-Upgrade the goalie position

The 2nd one won't be easy but hopefully its a much higher priority than this 8 year deal.

Man, I'm hoping so much that the Frederic thing is just a media delusion. Or slightly worse, but still way better than it happening, an Oilers leaked rumor to get the fan/hockey world reaction, which I hope they get scared by

 

[Canovin]

The closer we get to July 01 the tougher it will be to get rid of Henrique, Arvidsson , Kane contracts.
GMs will just sign UFAs instead.

How many UFAs have cup finals experience?