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Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?


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One guy that hasnt been mentioned out of Buffalo is Alex Tuch. He would be perfect with Draisaitl imo.
I tend to recall him being mentioned lots prior to TDL.

Personally, I've been clamoring for him since before Vegas traded him. I've always thought he'd be a perfect fit.

Seemed like there were a number of teams hoping to pry him loose prior to TDL, but buffalo wouldn't bite from the sounds of it. I'm thinking it would take a serious overpay to get him. Can't say I blame buffalo either, he's at least from around that area and is less likely to want out than a lot of others have been over the years.
 
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Hasn't been any word on the Leafs reupping Tavares, if they let him walk, the Oilers should be all over that (I'm sure he'll re-sign though).
If we didn’t have Nuge I’d be up for it. But I don’t see how we make it work cap wise. We are going to need to trade Arvidsson for no cap back just to be able to fit what we have now under the cap.
 
Most sane people on this board were asking how we were going to sign both. We did not have the money to sign either

I thought they were going to trade Kane to make it work or at least put him on LTIR until they could trade him at the TDL. Instead we hung onto him where he was pivotal in the LA series but cost us dearly in the Final.
 
Hasn't been any word on the Leafs reupping Tavares, if they let him walk, the Oilers should be all over that (I'm sure he'll re-sign though).
I think it was Friedman or Lebrun say they were nowhere close a day or two ago. I guess he still figures he’s a premier forward and wants north of $5 million.
 
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people say my math sucks. His contract is up in 5 years. So in his 5th year it wont be a problems. What about the other 4?
The guy is a PPG player at 32 and an effective one at that. Do you see his game falling off in 4 years? Many players are playing well beyond 36
 
One guy that hasnt been mentioned out of Buffalo is Alex Tuch. He would be perfect with Draisaitl imo.
He would be very high on my list as well, but after 14 years out of the playoffs I don't think Buffalo is actively looking to sell right now. It also sounds like the Oilers may save some cap space and try to address the 2nd line at the deadline. Hopefully he's available, he would would be a great deadline add.
 
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This is where I disagree. If you look at all of the analysts prior to the start of the finals or even 4 games in, everyone was saying that this version of the Oilers was better than last year's.

Its those final 2 blowout games that really stick with us. IMO, we were better situated this year than last year. Unfortunately, so was Florida. A big part of the problem last year was that guys like Foegele, McLeod and Broberg (no longer here) and Janmark/Brown were useless the first 3 series but helped in the finals. This year no one was able to step up.

The core of this team isn't very old. A lot of guys are still in their prime. Should we just not sign Perry so we arent the oldest team anymore? Savoie will step in next year and the Oilers are trying to add some speed and youth into the lineup. However that's not why we lost. Adding rookies for the sake of it isn't worth it.

Look at other contenders prospects. Out of Florida, Edmonton, Dallas, Colorado, etc. we've actually done a pretty good job finding some guys like Savoie, O'Reilly, Akey, Berezkin, etc. as well as young free agents like Hutson, Samanski and Lappanen.

We've literally gone to 1 game and 2 games of winning it all. Its more than a bounce or two but its also not possible that with a few changes were right back in the finals with better depth and goaltending. We need to change it up similar to how Florida changed coaches and improved after winning the presidents trophy in 2022.

We didn't luck into back to back finals.
I don’t think we did luck into the finals. Not at all. I think Edmonton was the second best team in the playoffs. However, they were a clear step behind Florida. And when the only outcome that matters is winning the cup, second best doesn’t cut it.

Guys like Hyman, Nuge, Ekholm, Kane, Henrique, Nurse, Janmark etc are at the point (or well past) of their careers were they are beginning to trend down.

IMO we’re further away now then we were this past season which is further away then we were the season before.
 
The guy is a PPG player at 32 and an effective one at that. Do you see his game falling off in 4 years? Many players are playing well beyond 36
He'd be foolish not to try to capitalize on the increasing cap. This is his last chance to do so.

The only way I see him staying in Toronto is if he values staying in his hometown over the chance to cash in again.
 
Smart business. Get ahead of your obvious vulnerability with a bold public statement.
Yup, I wish Oiler management would get "out in front" of their issues as well.

I far prefer Armstrong's bold statement to "Gentleman" Ken's stuff.

Let your opposition know that in a super competitive league you aren't going to do anybody any favors and you will meet aggression with aggression (in the context of business, of course).
 
He would be very high on my list as well, but after 14 years out of the playoffs I don't think Buffalo is actively looking to sell right now. It also sounds like the Oilers may save some cap space and try to address the 2nd line at the deadline. Hopefully he's available, he would would be a great deadline add.
This is something that doesn't get discussed a lot in the offseason because of the echo chamber of anti-management and anti-punching bag posts that take over the forum.

It's in the Oilers best interest to spend well short of the cap in the offseason and accrue that space throughout the regular season.

I think we sort of noticed a core group that didn't necessarily value what happened in the regular season this past season. As long as you get in.
 
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This is something that doesn't get discussed a lot in the offseason because of the echo chamber of anti-management and anti-punching bag posts that take over the forum.

It's in the Oilers best interest to spend well short of the cap in the offseason and accrue that space throughout the regular season.

I think we sort of noticed a core group that didn't necessarily value what happened in the regular season this past season. As long as you get in.
We lost good young players to do that this year and we spent it in John Klingberg.
 
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This is just false. Games 1 and 2 with analytically favoured in the Oilers direction. Game 3 was in Floridas. Game 4 was a coin toss. Game 5 the Oilers had early pressure, Bob made big saves, Pickard didn’t- Knob went to 97/29 and took his own team out of it. Game 6 again, Oilers had the early pressure- Skinner sucks and Oilers fighting back again.

Bob had a ridiculous.950 save % 5v5. Skinner was a hair above .860. Florida basically got every single bounce and the oilers got none. Add in Bob. Knob’s coaching decisions were also head scratching. Maurice hard matches Barkov and his 2 best d-men against McDavid. Perry made no sense on that line. Knob, inexplicably, throws Drai up there so now Maurice has zero worries of having to match lines against Drai. Oilers didn’t get the goaltending and Bob was unreal. Imagine is the Oilers could kill a freaking penalty….
Nah. Quite clearly Florida solved us in the last 4 games of series. You don't go up 3-0 in a playoff game without having a lot to do with that. Florida controlled that game and gave it up. Only time it happened. The stats in that game are influenced by that, Florida hung back with the lead and as it was anytime for an opponent to do that, it was for Florida as well.

When front footing games Florida was the better team in last 4 games. Game 5? We mounted about 5-10mins and then disappeared.

You know that I do blame goaltending. But I've consistently blamed poor forward depth as well. We were not getting zone outs, we were not getting transition to offensive zone. Our wingers were getting stapled like the cheap rent they mostly are.

Who do you think should've been with McDrai? Of all the players I'd say 40yr old Perry had earned the spot. But thats also an indictment on our winger group.
 
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Tavares signing cheap to play 3rd/4th/5th fiddle and with his best friend Hymie is my delusional dream of this FA

That would be fun for sure. If he was willing to do a cheap one-year deal to chase a Cup and improve his counting stats ahead of a $100M cap it could be a good fit.

Knoblauch would also finally get his wish and be able to go nuclear every shift:

Frederic-McDavid-Drai
RNH-Tavares-Hyman
?-Henrique-Brown
Podkolzin-Janmark-Perry

A good scoring winger for the third line would fill that team out perfectly.
 
Nah. Quite clearly Florida solved us in the last 4 games of series. You don't go up 3-0 in a playoff game without having a lot to do with that. Florida controlled that game and gave it up. Only time it happened. The stats in that game are influenced by that, Florida hung back with the lead and as it was anytime for an opponent to do that, it was for Florida as well.

When front footing games Florida was the better team in last 4 games. Game 5? We mounted about 5-10mins and then disappeared.

You know that I do blame goaltending. But I've consistently blamed poor forward depth as well. We were not getting zone outs, we were not getting transition to offensive zone. Our wingers were getting stapled like the cheap rent they mostly are.
The biggest issue was our breakouts. The Panthers clogged up the middle and forced us to use the boards where they just smothered out wingers and didn’t allow entry. It was like watching the 2000 devils. Not really sure how we could have adjusted though.
 
The biggest issue was our breakouts. The Panthers clogged up the middle and forced us to use the boards where they just smothered out wingers and didn’t allow entry. It was like watching the 2000 devils. Not really sure how we could have adjusted though.
The adjustment is having wingers that either have the speed to blow by coverage or the physicality to withstand hits and battle pucks out. We were losing that battle with our wingers all series. Panthers were having an easy time physically pressuring them. Panthers were faster to pucks and harder on the boards. When we put pucks up the middle they were being intercepted. Poor puck support was provided, poor puck battle was provided.

But its kinda what one expects from a really old winger lineup. Eventually they have no gas.
 
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The adjustment is having wingers that either have the speed to blow by coverage or the physicality to withstand hits and battle pucks out. We were losing that battle with our wingers all series. Panthers were having an easy time physically pressuring them. Panthers were faster to pucks and harder on the boards. When we put pucks up the middle they were being intercepted. Poor puck support was provided, poor puck battle was provided.

But its kinda what one expects from a really old winger lineup. Eventually they have no gas.
Yes speedy wingers would have helped I just meant as the team was constructed at the time I’m not sure how we could have adjusted. Maybe moving up ice as a five man unit with short quick passes would have been a bit better.
 
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We lost good young players to do that this year and we spent it in John Klingberg.
Klingberg was doing fine until Jamie Benn speared Klingberg's skates out from under him two feet from the boards, severely testing both of Klingergs hips. He failed the test.

Sure, Benn got a two minute minor but that was the end of playoff Klingberg.

Other things Dallas did. Scrub, I can't even recall his name, took out Nuge's feet on a two-on-one with McDavid, sending the Nuge into the boards. As well I cannot recall if there was a penalty on the play, I don't believe there was, and that's probably the play where Nuge broke his hand. Nuge headed straight to the dressing room and didn't return for 10 minutes.

Both of those plays were dirtier than the headshot dealt out to Connor Brown. Brown never recoverd from that. Oilers brought him back early. Personally I thought Brown should have sat until game three of the finals, and said as much receiving the accustomed barrage of critique, but they played him, to the delight of this board, in game one.

Dallas did Florida a huge favor and screwed the Oiles chances big time. To be sure Florida had their share of injuries and to more important players.

Not that it matters a hill of beans but I'm on record saying Ekholm should have never returned until during the first round and that was before he came back for that single game and injured his groin.

The Oiler's medical staff needs to be beaten.
 
Yes speedy wingers would have helped I just meant as the team was constructed at the time I’m not sure how we could have adjusted. Maybe moving up ice as a five man unit with short quick passes would have been a bit better.
Well, fully agreed. Mcleod, Foegele, Broberg, Holloway were effective in the final last year. Was a bad thing to lose them all.

I don't think with our roster that the quick passes would work either. All Florida has to do is sit on any of those passes. They are lethal t forcing turnovers in opposition zone. its why the Oilers tried to one pass pucks out.
 
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This is just false. Games 1 and 2 with analytically favoured in the Oilers direction. Game 3 was in Floridas. Game 4 was a coin toss. Game 5 the Oilers had early pressure, Bob made big saves, Pickard didn’t- Knob went to 97/29 and took his own team out of it. Game 6 again, Oilers had the early pressure- Skinner sucks and Oilers fighting back again.

Bob had a ridiculous.950 save % 5v5. Skinner was a hair above .860. Florida basically got every single bounce and the oilers got none. Add in Bob. Knob’s coaching decisions were also head scratching. Maurice hard matches Barkov and his 2 best d-men against McDavid. Perry made no sense on that line. Knob, inexplicably, throws Drai up there so now Maurice has zero worries of having to match lines against Drai. Oilers didn’t get the goaltending and Bob was unreal. Imagine is the Oilers could kill a freaking penalty….

The main reason why the analytics were even close in those games is due to score effect since the Oilers were almost constantly playing from being outside of the first half of Game 2. In the meat of the games when they were really close the Oilers got badly outplayed. The one game when I thought the Oilers might have been the better team was Game 1, it was pretty much all Florida especially the last 4 games. It is what it is, there's no sugarcoating it. The far more deserving team won.
 

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