Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[Sinnerella]

Nah. Ceci, a rhd with playoff experience was basically a throw in, depending how you value the 3rd compared to emberson.

Puny arvidsson who couldn't produce with Draisaitl and costs more, will be at best the same. The acquiring team may be able to flip him, but they won't pay us for the opportunity to.

lmfao his entire career arvidsson has been a second line dude and he was this year too, just not given the fair shake. Look at his 5v5 points per 60, he basically had a hyman season with less minutes so less total numbers.

 

[Sinnerella]

Your ability to do math is astonishing. 53% of his total 5v5 icetime is with McDrai. How does that only equal only like 20 games and spot duty? He also spent a ton of time with Nuge on the second line too.

Arvidsson did okay 90% of his ice time with Draisaitl for the first chunk of the season and he didn’t bring much. But you said you only watched like 20 games do you probably missed all or those.

Arvidsson got kicked in Drai minutes and they had almost no chemistry. It didn’t work great. He was putting up 3rd line offence while playing with Draisaitl which is, bad.

Arvidsson didn’t get top 6 time in the playoffs because he spent all season showing how little he worked with the top guys.
Yet you think he should gent just been stapled too them cause you are some hockey genius.

If you actually payed attention to the team for more than 20 games you would actually see what everyone else saw. He got a chance, couldn’t hack it, and was rightfully demoted.

LMFAO you gave me the numbers, he got what 460 minutes? Break that down lol And as for 53% of his total ice time, no shit lmfao the bottom six gets less ice time...

 

[Sinnerella]

lol Arvidsson would never get a 1st+. When he was better he was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Also, i meant more at the deadline he would get 1st+ with 50% retained. Someone may give the oilers anywhere from 2nd to 1st for him at full cap in this summer. Or equivalent value.

 

[iCanada]

Jimmi, not sure if your referring to me, but I never said he has to save the team.

The discussion has been about changing the make up of forwards to move the team forward. I don’t beleive Matt Savoie is ever going to do that.

I think you give him a chance. Maybe he surprises you.

And if not - running him till the trade deadline gets you more cap at that point to upgrade then running literally anyone else.

 

[FlameChampion]

Why is it starting to smell a bit like Perry won't be back? If he really does leave over like 750K the dude is a bit of a cuck

Because based on his production, he’s probably a 3+ m player. And seeing Frederic get 4m might price him out.

Even when the cap was flat, he still wasn’t taking 1m. I can’t see him taking $1m now, especially coming off the year he did. He probably does want to come back though. Guess we will see.

 

[CycloneSweep]

LMFAO you gave me the numbers, he got what 460 minutes? Break that down lol And as for 53% of his total ice time, no shit lmfao the bottom six gets less ice time...

Yes. He played 880 minutes TOTAL 5v5

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I think RV is unlikely.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Anaheim take Rico though, tbh. It's a fit - he likes them, they like him.

He’s still buddies with guys on that team. I just heard a little interview the other day with either a current Duck or maybe Kreider? He’s still in the group chats, if there’s anywhere else he’d go it’s Anaheim

Edit: it was frank vatrano, I think on oilers nation, maybe What chaos

 

[Sinnerella]

Yes. He played 880 minutes TOTAL 5v5

Yes so when you look at that he got 13 mins average a night 5v5. In the bottom six, he likely got 6-11 per game with most less, which is why the 20 or so he got all 15 minutes with one of mcdrai (then they get 3-5 more on special teams and extra man for 18-20 total per game) is how it likely went, then spot time for the rest as stated. He did not get a 60 game push in the top 6, like every other point in his career last 5 years.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

Also, i meant more at the deadline he would get 1st+ with 50% retained. Someone may give the oilers anywhere from 2nd to 1st for him at full cap in this summer. Or equivalent value.

For Viktor Arvidsson? THAT Arvidsson? Surely you don’t mean him.

 

[Sinnerella]

How is saying a real fact that a guy who at this point of his career is a 40 point guy at best, and when he was BETTER, went for only a 2nd and a 3rd isn’t going to suddenly be worth a 1st+?

When he was better he was a 55 point guy with kopitar et al. And that was SO long ago, like 365 days lmfao

 

[Sinnerella]

For Viktor Arvidsson? THAT Arvidsson? Surely you don’t mean him.

Yes, a cup team will take him at 50% aka 2 million at the deadline as a 45 point all 5v5 guy 55 point with powerplay time guy in the middle six lmfao they will pay a 1st+ in all likelihood given the arms a race at the top.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Because based on his production, he’s probably a 3+ m player. And seeing Frederic get 4m might price him out.

Even when the cap was flat, he still wasn’t taking 1m. I can’t see him taking $1m now, especially coming off the year he did. He probably does want to come back though. Guess we will see.

Guy wants to compete has like 70 million in the bank account. Why uproot your family and play for a shit team over 2 more million. Whatever

 

[WaitingForUser]

They really gave Lohrei 3.2M?

This guy was -45 last year.

The moment the cap goes up a tiny bit all GMs lose their mind, JFC.

Right? For all the hate Bouchard seems to get his WORST season is minus 2

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yes so when you look at that he got 13 mins average a night 5v5. In the bottom six, he likely got 6-11 per game with most less, which is why the 20 or so he got all 15 minutes with one of mcdrai (then they get 3-5 more on special teams and extra man for 18-20 total per game) is how it likely went, then spot time for the rest as stated. He did not get a 60 game push in the top 6, like every other point in his career last 5 years.

He didn’t get a 60 game push in the top 6 because he played like 20+ straight and sucked.

 

[Sinnerella]

He didn’t get a 60 game push in the top 6 because he played like 20+ straight and sucked.

You would have had jarome iginla in the minors by game 25!

 

[McTonyBrar]

And then he yells furiously at anyone who criticizes Skinner. Gregor is the Final Boss of Stuart Skinner supporters.

Exactly what he tried to do to Seravalli lol then he somehow thought Demko was too old of a goalie to go for.. even though he's 29 years old.

Now I just want Skinner gone just to piss him off.

 

[Jarvi]

lmfao his entire career arvidsson has been a second line dude and he was this year too, just not given the fair shake. Look at his 5v5 points per 60, he basically had a hyman season with less minutes so less total numbers.

And Cody Ceci was a 20 minute a night, big RHD who could PK, put up 25pts ~100hits and ~100 blocks, who showed up in big moments in big games, and only made 3 million.

If I didn't have Ceci's name in there, most would cream their jeans at the thought of adding that player, yet we needed to dump them with a pick for a pretty meh player. Narratives matter.

I'd say 95% of gm's in the league would point out how we need the space and he obviously wasn't a fit with us and bend us over a barrel. Stan just needs to find that one gm who will give us even an Emberson level return for him, or ideally, used in a larger deal for a more impactful piece.

 

[FlameChampion]

Vancouver never going to trade us Demko. That’s such a risky trade regardless. Dude is hurt so much.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Jimmi, not sure if your referring to me, but I never said he has to save the team.

The discussion has been about changing the make up of forwards to move the team forward. I don’t beleive Matt Savoie is ever going to do that.

Brent I think the makeup is not soft on the sides. If you think about it, our wings are primarily crashers and bangers (Arvidsson, Hyman, Kane). We don't have skill on the wings other than RNH and Savoie. So, I think having a Savoie on the wing is good.

Have both top 2 lines with one powerfoward, one top centre, one skilled winger

 

[CycloneSweep]

Exactly what he tried to do to Seravalli lol then he somehow thought Demko was too old of a goalie to go for.. even though he's 29 years old.

Now I just want Skinner gone just to piss him off.

Demko is a huge risk and has nothing to do with age.

 

[McDoused]

Oilers better not sign Brown for 4 years at 2M. You can get Brown level players of waivers for way cheaper…I.e Kapanen

I dont get the brown hate. It's hard to find guys who will consistently get 30 points. AFP projects 3 years x 2.9M, so based on compareables hes worth 2M.

Kapanen by comparison had 13 points. Brown can fill a 3rd line role while Kapanen is a 13th forward.

 

[McDoused]

We will see.

I personally don’t see Perry signing for $1m. Maybe Kapanen resigns for cheap or Brown gets forced out.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Allen is closer to $4m with a weak market and rising cap.

With Allen, he could get 4M from a team like Philly or San Jose. If he wants to win a cup I'm guessing that number comes down to 3M. AFP projects him at 3.5M x 2 years so it could really go either way.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I dont get the brown hate. It's hard to find guys who will consistently get 30 points. AFP projects 3 years x 2.9M, so based on compareables hes worth 2M.

Kapanen by comparison had 13 points. Brown can fill a 3rd line role while Kapanen is a 13th forward.

We can’t afford to pay Brown 3.

 

[McDoused]

So no top 6 forward? That is a bust to me. Doubt it gets added at the deadline as we would need a RHD defensemen.

Yeah it just shows how bad our salary cap is right now. We finally need to put some money into goaltending at the expense of another part of the team.

Bowman still needs to find a way to add at least 1 top 6 winger on top of all these moves.

 

[FlameChampion]

I dont get the brown hate. It's hard to find guys who will consistently get 30 points. AFP projects 3 years x 2.9M, so based on compareables hes worth 2M.

Kapanen by comparison had 13 points. Brown can fill a 3rd line role while Kapanen is a 13th forward.

What does AFP have Frederic at?