Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[foshizzle]

Its going to be tough to squeeze everyone but so far I think we see the following:

Internal Free Agents
Bouchard 10M x 8 Years
Frederic 3.5M x 8 Years
Brown 2M x 4 Years
Perry 1M x 2 Years

External Free Agents
Allen 2.75M x 2 Years

Trade out:
Kane
Arvidsson
Skinner

Trade in:
Gibson at 50%

That basically puts us at about 21 man roster with 2.3M in cap space.

Oilers better not sign Brown for 4 years at 2M. You can get Brown level players of waivers for way cheaper…I.e Kapanen

 

[BarDownBobo]

False except it’s exactly what it was this past season in the AHL. Twist it any way you wish though.

It’s the same output by both players in the same league.

Not sure how you can say that black and white facts are wrong.

I literally gave you the stats showing Savoie produced significantly better in the same leagues at the same ages, what are you on about same output?

 

[CycloneSweep]

How many of those top 6 minutes were with drai or mcd? Or was it henrique and rnh? lol not the same narrative.

Also yes, that is my opinion and it is firm, i can pick up more in one game than some in 82, bestie (also all playoffs - more than many tv and radio "analysts" )

Skinner was also in a similar situation yes but i prefer arvidsson.

460 of those 670 were with McDrai, and 220 with Nuge. So try again?

Wow you are deludedly full of yourself aren’t you.

Arvidsson got a fair shake and and got didn’t do much either it. Skinner didn’t get a fair shake and out scored Arvidsson.

Acting like Knob is a terrible coach for how he dealt with Arvidsson is wild.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Oilers better not sign Brown for 4 years at 2M. You can get Brown level players of waivers for way cheaper…I.e Kapanen

Brown also wasn’t a good penalty killer this year either. Brown and Janmark took massive drops in the Pk and playoffs this year imo.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Jake Allen is an UFA? I didn't know that. I agree with you there. Gibson-Allen-Pickard would be an ideal trio.

A three headed dink !

 

[VainGretzky]

I am all for Gibson his only 2 seasons under .900 was the 2 years the Ducks were in the full rebuild with atrocious defence and the team was 32nd and 30th overall when the Ducks finally had a mid D last season he sprung back up to a .912 he would put up great numbers again in front of the Oilers defence . him being always injured is a stretch as well because he has had only 2 seasons under 40 games in his career since his rookie year

 

[CycloneSweep]

I am all for Gibson his only 2 seasons under .900 was the 2 years the Ducks were in the full rebuild with atrocious defence and the team was 32nd and 30th overall when the Ducks finally had a mid D last season he sprung back up to a .912 he would put up great numbers again in front of the Oilers defence . him being always injured is a stretch as well because he has had only 2 seasons under 40 games in his career since his rookie year

IMO I don’t blame any goalie for putting in low effort when you know your team is not actually built to win or really trying to win.

 

[Canovin]

IMO I don’t blame any goalie for putting in low effort when you know your team is not actually built to win or really trying to win.

Didn't Gibson asked to be traded for several years now? That could also explain his poor performance

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I liked Blackwood.

Good call. A reminder to all the posters that want Gibson that good goalies are allowed to play well on bad teams

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Its going to be tough to squeeze everyone but so far I think we see the following:

Internal Free Agents
Bouchard 10M x 8 Years
Frederic 3.5M x 8 Years
Brown 2M x 4 Years
Perry 1M x 2 Years

External Free Agents
Allen 2.75M x 2 Years

Trade out:
Kane
Arvidsson
Skinner

Trade in:
Gibson at 50%

That basically puts us at about 21 man roster with 2.3M in cap space.

So no top 6 forward? That is a bust to me. Doubt it gets added at the deadline as we would need a RHD defensemen.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Oilers better not sign Brown for 4 years at 2M. You can get Brown level players of waivers for way cheaper…I.e Kapanen

But he's friends with coach and Davo. I bet he's back at 2 mil

 

[aggressive forecheck]

I've been suggesting pickard back as a #3 for a while. Hes been a great story but I think you can find a way to sneak him back down.

Skinner can be moved out in a trade. Gibson seems like the most realistic option with Anaheim being able to retain.

Then we round out the goaltending without giving up assets in free agency for a goaltender like Allen, Samsanov, Vladar or Lyon as the backup.

Ridiculous. Pickard can't be snuck through waivers. The only benifit exposing Pickard to waivers is losing his cap hit. Either Pickard is the backup or a tradable asset.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Its going to be tough to squeeze everyone but so far I think we see the following:

Internal Free Agents
Bouchard 10M x 8 Years
Frederic 3.5M x 8 Years
Brown 2M x 4 Years
Perry 1M x 2 Years

External Free Agents
Allen 2.75M x 2 Years

Trade out:
Kane
Arvidsson
Skinner

Trade in:
Gibson at 50%

That basically puts us at about 21 man roster with 2.3M in cap space.

How many sweeteners does it take to trade out those players, then on top of that, convincing Anaheim to take on 50% of Gibson's salary. It doesn't pass any test of rationality.

 

[brentashton]

What are you talking about? Carrying your weight differently doesn't mean you are better at all, and I never said that. I said that being the same weight doesn't mean you get the same player or results. It could be either worse, the same, or better. Jesus man.

We both agree on this. unfortunately others in the discussion seem to believe that Savoie carries his weight differently and that will make him better than KY.

I literally gave you the stats showing Savoie produced significantly better in the same leagues at the same ages, what are you on about same output?

look at this years AHL stats.

 

[iCanada]

Regardless of who we acquire in net, I think Skinner needs to stay. We won't be getting sure-fire #1 guy

I agree, whatever happens, Skinner needs to stay off the team for sure.

Glad we're on the same page.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Gibson for Arvidson; 1 for 1

Bob McKenzie vibes-lol. Ducks fans would blow every gasket located on the magic teacups or whatever that ride is called at Disneyland if this wound up being the trade.

 

[MoontoScott]

I agree, whatever happens, Skinner needs to stay off the team for sure.

Glad we're on the same page.

Skinner + Arvi for Gibson (not my proposed deal but one I've been reading about) would basically be a salary saw-off.

Could go out and look for a 3rd goalie who wasn't a big ticket item but still reliable.

I just think it would be best to give Stu a fresh start somewhere else ---and that's not putting him down.

 

[Oilers88]

I am all for Gibson his only 2 seasons under .900 was the 2 years the Ducks were in the full rebuild with atrocious defence and the team was 32nd and 30th overall when the Ducks finally had a mid D last season he sprung back up to a .912 he would put up great numbers again in front of the Oilers defence . him being always injured is a stretch as well because he has had only 2 seasons under 40 games in his career since his rookie year

The big issue is that Anaheim has purportedly been asking for two first round picks for him without retention. Even factoring in his improved play this year, that's still a ludicrous valuation. If, like Zegras, they've gotten to the point where they're happy to just move on from the player, I think there could be a deal to be had. If they're sticking to their bargaining position, I expect him to play out his contract in Anaheim.

 

[iCanada]

Skinner + Arvi for Gibson (not my proposed deal but one I've been reading about) would basically be a salary saw-off.

Could go out and look for a 3rd goalie who wasn't a big ticket item but still reliable.

I just think it would be best to give Stu a fresh start somewhere else ---and that's not putting him down.

I think RV is unlikely.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Anaheim take Rico though, tbh. It's a fit - he likes them, they like him.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Oilers have to move out Nurse's contract. For that to happen Nurse will have to waive his no trade clause.

Nurse has similar value to Seth Jones. Give or take. Then again, nobody is going to do the Edmonton Oilers any favors.

I expect another team to screw us like St Louis did with the offer sheets.

If we can't move Nurse the Oilers window is closed shut.

 

[Tarus]

Skinner + Arvi for Gibson (not my proposed deal but one I've been reading about) would basically be a salary saw-off.

Could go out and look for a 3rd goalie who wasn't a big ticket item but still reliable.

I just think it would be best to give Stu a fresh start somewhere else ---and that's not putting him down.

I could see something like that happening

I suspect the Oilers would negotiation retention into the deal for Gibson's contract since Anaheim is rumored to be willing to do it. A deal that solves the goaltending problem and adds cap space at the same time would be quite welcome this offseason considering all they have to do with re-signings and wingers.

 

[Oilslick941611]

3rd line c lol

Is pickard your neighbour?

Your posting is style is very familiar. Accuse people of being related to a player or their neighbour…. Hmmm. Where have we seen this before

 

[BarDownBobo]

We both agree on this. unfortunately others in the discussion seem to believe that Savoie carries his weight differently and that will make him better than KY.

look at this years AHL stats.

Ah so you want to compare 26 year old, 7 years of professional experience Yamo to a raw 21 year old rookie. Gotcha. Ridiculous premise but gotcha.

 

[Pip]

Oilers better not sign Brown for 4 years at 2M. You can get Brown level players of waivers for way cheaper…I.e Kapanen

Brown is a much better player than Kapanen. I don’t want Brown on a long term deal but Brown is a quality bottom 6 player and Kapanen will probably end of on waivers again in the next 2 seasons.

 

[Sinnerella]

460 of those 670 were with McDrai, and 220 with Nuge. So try again?

Wow you are deludedly full of yourself aren’t you.

Arvidsson got a fair shake and and got didn’t do much either it. Skinner didn’t get a fair shake and out scored Arvidsson.

Acting like Knob is a terrible coach for how he dealt with Arvidsson is wild.

You have your opinion i have mine. What about the playoffs? Regardless, if you think skinner is better than arvi you are not someone whose opinion about hockey i value highly. Also, that works out to like 6 minutes a game with one of those two. If you think he gets say 15 when he plays with them, it is like 20 games he got to play with one of them and then spot duty here and there with most of that probably being line changes and icings and extra man on a delayed penalty etc. He absolutely did not get a fair shake and when they signed him, it was to be a top six guy 90% of the time. Maybe no powerplay but 5v5 with one of mcdrai 90% of the time.