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Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?


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Jake Allen is an UFA? I didn't know that. I agree with you there. Gibson-Allen-Pickard would be an ideal trio.

Yes. Hes free and coming off a season where he had 18.4 GSAx. No idea why oiler fans are sleeping on him as a tandem option.

Fans just want to think of "legit starters" rather than trying to find the next Stolarz, Thompson or Montembault. Last I checked Kuemper, Otter and Hill are all legit starters and they didn't look great.
 
It's a different series if the refs call the obvious to many men penalty in game 2 OT, or if they call the countless interference penalties that Bennet got away with or the countless high sticks that Florida got away with. The team was playing scared after game 2 because they knew they weren't going to get away with anything while Florida practically had free rein. How many goals did Florida score right after the refs missed an obvious call? Even game 6, if the refs call the high sticking penalty on Podz in the 1st period then maybe we score on the PP and the Reinhart goal doesn't happen.
Nailed it. The team recognized after game 2 that no matter what the Panthers were winning the series because the league was going to make sure of it. Even more so after game 4 it was obvious that both Connor and Leon understood the already decided outcome. Seems like one those things that years later we may learn that the league even confronted the Oilers with this info. There is no other explanation for the lack of effort shown in games 5/6 other than the team was told they were not allowed to win.
 
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Trade a 1st + O’Reilly or Savoie for Askarov.

Sign Samsonov.

Sign Hart.

Let Askarov + the winner of Samsonov/Hart fight for the crease this season.

All of these are high reward options compared to the ones we’re talking about. We can trade for Gibson mid season if we need him.
 
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Its risky but I think I would go for Swayman as long as hes not expensive in terms of assets. I think he would bounce back and he’s about the right age. But if the team is giving Frederic $4m then it’s virtually near impossible.
 
Nailed it. The team recognized after game 2 that no matter what the Panthers were winning the series because the league was going to make sure of it. Even more so after game 4 it was obvious that both Connor and Leon understood the already decided outcome. Seems like one those things that years later we may learn that the league even confronted the Oilers with this info. There is no other explanation for the lack of effort shown in games 5/6 other than the team was told they were not allowed to win.
The way they played game 5 and 6 it looked like they just quit. I've never seen that with this group before. Maybe it was the reffing, our goaltending or just being exhausted (which would make zero sense since Florida played even more hockey then us the last 3 years). Every game had the same script, Oilers take a bunch of penalties in the 1st while Florida gets almost none. Then in the 2nd period the refs try to balance out the calls for the losing team to make it look like a close game going into the 3rd period. Then for the 3rd period and OT the whistle's get thrown away.

The only 2 games that didn't follow the script were game 3 when the Oilers just decided to goon it up once they were down by 2 and game 6 when the refs didn't even show up until the last few minutes of the game to kick out Kane for being mean.
 
Hofer is only 24 and is ready to emerge.

Is he the best long term play out of all the goalies that have been mentioned?

Gibson has been dealing with a lot of injuries and hasn't played much in the last few years?
 
Hofer is only 24 and is ready to emerge.

Is he the best long term play out of all the goalies that have been mentioned?

Gibson has been dealing with a lot of injuries and hasn't played much in the last few years?
He looks that way, Hofer, but maybe he's like Husso and the result will be unpleasant
 
Hofer is only 24 and is ready to emerge.

Is he the best long term play out of all the goalies that have been mentioned?

Gibson has been dealing with a lot of injuries and hasn't played much in the last few years?
St. Louis has 5M to sign Hofer and Faksa. They will most likely put Krug on LTIR so that opens up another 6.5M. I think they match anything we send their way unless it's 4.7M+. Compensation would be 1st and 3rd
 
The offensive output part of this is just blatantly false. Yamo’s last year in junior he put up 64 points in 40 games versus Savoie who had 71 in 34 games, and their first year pro Yamo was 18 points in 27 games in Bakersfield versus Savoie who was 54 in 66 games. And aside from actual production, the two of them play very different styles of game. For lack of a better way to describe it Yamo played like a mini Hyman where his offense was heavily reliant on being right place right time and getting to the open spots around the net. Now that worked well for him in junior but gets much harder when going up against men. Savoie plays the slippery style of game you see smaller guys have actual success with in the NHL(think Gaudreau, Caufield etc).
False except it’s exactly what it was this past season in the AHL. Twist it any way you wish though.

It’s the same output by both players in the same league.

Not sure how you can say that black and white facts are wrong.
 
Make some moves Stan!. Sounds like he wants to bring back everyone except Arviddson and Kane.

Its going to be tough to squeeze everyone but so far I think we see the following:

Internal Free Agents
Bouchard 10M x 8 Years
Frederic 3.5M x 8 Years
Brown 2M x 4 Years
Perry 1M x 2 Years

External Free Agents
Allen 2.75M x 2 Years

Trade out:
Kane
Arvidsson
Skinner

Trade in:
Gibson at 50%

That basically puts us at about 21 man roster with 2.3M in cap space.
 
Hofer had 14 games against playoff teams. Of those games, blues won 4.

Would take someone more committed than me to find out how many of those losses were after Binner was pulled, but it's not exactly a great record. He also has a lower high danger sv% than Stu, though he is better at what they deem "good scoring chances", this past season, but Stu has better numbers every other year.

Hofer also let in a bunch of shorties, and was bad on the kill.

At 4.6m +2nd, he seems like an unnecessary risk to be Stu 2.0 at nearly twice the cap. Just go get someone proven and either keep Stu as backup, or find another young goalie for cheap to backup and maybe take the starter spot in the future.
 
St. Louis has 5M to sign Hofer and Faksa. They will most likely put Krug on LTIR so that opens up another 6.5M. I think they match anything we send their way unless it's 4.7M+. Compensation would be 1st and 3rd
You are probably right. They know that it might be coming--unlike Oiler management.

A trade tossed about on Twitter is Arvi+Skinner for Gibson. I don't know what Anaheim would say about that one.
 
By that logic, we should look for another 6-1, 195lb forward out there, but carry’s his weight differently than CmcD.

I mean we could realistically expect that player to be even better than 97 by what I’m learning here.

What are you talking about? Carrying your weight differently doesn't mean you are better at all, and I never said that. I said that being the same weight doesn't mean you get the same player or results. It could be either worse, the same, or better. Jesus man.
 
St. Louis has 5M to sign Hofer and Faksa. They will most likely put Krug on LTIR so that opens up another 6.5M. I think they match anything we send their way unless it's 4.7M+. Compensation would be 1st and 3rd
Even if they match it sends a message to them. Sign him for the exact same contract as Holloway. If they match then they paid around a million more for him then they were planning to as well as increasing his QA in 2 years. If they don't match we got a potential goalie of the future and if it doesn't work out after a year then the buyout is something like 350K x 2.
 
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What do you mean "bigger". You mean taller than Eberle and you're 5'9"?

Well how tall was Eberle 5'7" or under?

Yeah I was quite a bit taller than him. I was bigger as well, but I was roughly 200 pounds at that time. This is a ways back now, so memory wouldn't be reliable to say how tall I thought Eberle was. But yeah, maybe 5'7"-ish.
 
Its going to be tough to squeeze everyone but so far I think we see the following:

Internal Free Agents
Bouchard 10M x 8 Years
Frederic 3.5M x 8 Years
Brown 2M x 4 Years
Perry 1M x 2 Years

External Free Agents
Allen 2.75M x 2 Years

Trade out:
Kane
Arvidsson
Skinner

Trade in:
Gibson at 50%

That basically puts us at about 21 man roster with 2.3M in cap space.

We will see.

I personally don’t see Perry signing for $1m. Maybe Kapanen resigns for cheap or Brown gets forced out.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Allen is closer to $4m with a weak market and rising cap.
 
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Yeah I was quite a bit taller than him. I was bigger as well, but I was roughly 200 pounds at that time. This is a ways back now, so memory wouldn't be reliable to say how tall I thought Eberle was. But yeah, maybe 5'7"-ish.
This dude was wearing 1.5 inch shoes and eberle had 1 cm flats on so grain of salt :laugh: but yes typically nhl player weights and heights are with skates and equipment on lol usually a 5'11 190 guy is 5'9 180 or less.
 
lol he was in the bottom 6 far more often. eye test i watched like 20 games max in regular season (grain of salt idk stats) but f*** every time it was not arvi on one of those two lines but wit henrique or on fourth line island carrying it. I shut up now, you are right arvi is shite why would anyone want him for more than a 7th?
so your eye test of less than 25% of the season which is out of touch with fact is what you are basing your very firm opinion on to shit on the coach?
He played 880 minutes 5v5.
He spent 210 of those minutes in the bottom 6, so 670 minutes in the top 6.

Now if you were talking about Skinner, you would be right. Skinner played 830 minutes 5v5 but only 358 in the top 6. So in almost double the top 6 ice time, Arvidsson put up 2 less points than Skinner. If anyone got an unfair shake between them, it’s Skinner. Arvidsson got his opportunity and almost always proved he couldn’t do it.
 
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Just when @Drivesaitl has gotten over Mcleod, Holloway and Broberg. You guys just had to get him relapse on this trauma haha
@Drivesaitl is right on all 3. McLeod was an excellent third line 5v5 player and pk. Holloway was due to explode, Broberg is an amazing skater with a great outlet pass we could have used against Florida (he had the highest efficiency in the finals last year- unfortunately, he had a low amount of attempts because he was playing with tire fire Nurse)
 
It’s an alternative to the people that want to dump him now before they see what they’ve got. I’m on board with adding youth and skill.
I mean the problem with that is he isn’t NHL ready. He got his games this year and looked decent in the first game and completely overwhelmed in the rest. Bringing him up could also reduce his value if he isn’t ready. Which he isn’t.
 
so your eye test of less than 25% of the season which is out of touch with fact is what you are basing your very firm opinion on to shit on the coach?
He played 880 minutes 5v5.
He spent 210 of those minutes in the bottom 6, so 670 minutes in the top 6.

Now if you were talking about Skinner, you would be right. Skinner played 830 minutes 5v5 but only 358 in the top 6. So in almost double the top 6 ice time, Arvidsson put up 2 less points than Skinner. If anyone got an unfair shake between them, it’s Skinner. Arvidsson got his opportunity and almost always proved he couldn’t do it.
How many of those top 6 minutes were with drai or mcd? Or was it henrique and rnh? lol not the same narrative.

Also yes, that is my opinion and it is firm, i can pick up more in one game than some in 82, bestie (: (also all playoffs - more than many tv and radio "analysts" :laugh:)

Skinner was also in a similar situation yes but i prefer arvidsson.
 
Nailed it. The team recognized after game 2 that no matter what the Panthers were winning the series because the league was going to make sure of it. Even more so after game 4 it was obvious that both Connor and Leon understood the already decided outcome. Seems like one those things that years later we may learn that the league even confronted the Oilers with this info. There is no other explanation for the lack of effort shown in games 5/6 other than the team was told they were not allowed to win.
Game 1 and 2 analytically favoured the Oilers. Game 3 was Florida and game 4 was a coin toss. Game 5 could have used a save early on when the Oilers had early pressure. Same with game 6. Knob going 97/29 and Perry getting first line minutes along with horrid D pairings is what did us in.
 

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