Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[MessierII]

Lol. One guy is 5-9, 178 lbs and the other guy is listed as 5-9, 179 lbs.

How does one extra pound make Savoie “stouter” than Yamamoto??!

Anyway, the issue remains that they are too similar, for Savoie to be any great panacea to the Oilers needs.

To be fair Savoie is a young dude who will fill out more. Yamo was like 150 something when he first turned pro.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't think you've noticed how bad Zegras has gotten. Poehling, on the other hand, is a very effective bottom six center with good speed.

This is a move that a team trying to improve makes. It adds a player that's a far better fit, adds a high pick and frees several million in cap space in a year where they're in the market for a big fish.

Zegras may do well in Philly, but there's a good chance that he's the flawed, one dimensional player that the rest of the league views him as. And they offense really isn't that impressive.

Sure, Zegras has dropped, but the Ducks haven't done much to help him. He's still a guy with skill who can score, those are valuable.

Poehling is basically Janmark, a 4th liner type, he's going to be UFA. Expecting the Ducks could have done better here isn't unreasonable, except it's Verbeek, who seems really bad at all of this.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

To be fair Savoie is a young dude who will fill out more. Yamo was like 150 something when he first turned pro.

Will he grow to be 6 feet? Will he get fatter?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Eh, I think you're too harsh on Verbeek.

Gauthier - McTavish - Terry
Killorn - Carlsson - Vatrano
Kreider - Sennecke - Fabbri
Leason - Strome - Poehling

Lacombe - Mintyukov
Trouba - Zellweger
Gudas - Marin???

Distal
Gibson

Great mix of size and skill in that group. Great mix of veteran leaders and young talent. Back stopped by best in the league level goaltending from Dostal. Great young defenseman who have size and move the puck well. Big aggressive young forwards with a ton of talent and speed. One shot scorers. Solid spine of top line potential centers.

All taught by coach Q. I wouldn't be surprised if they make the playoffs.

It's a great time to be a ducks fan, in my opinion.

They have non-playoff non-competitive team with some good looking kids, impressive.

 

[North]

Sure, Zegras has dropped, but the Ducks haven't done much to help him. He's still a guy with skill who can score, those are valuable.

Poehling is basically Janmark, a 4th liner type, he's going to be UFA. Expecting the Ducks could have done better here isn't unreasonable, except it's Verbeek, who seems really bad at all of this.

He tries to shoot for the moon with Gibson and then trades Zegras for this. He has no idea what he’s doing.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Why? The team wants to get younger. Play Savoie right and he may become the big name you want to trade for.

you and your shrimps, I can see you going all Yamamoto on Savoie

Florida won back to back championships with Bob who is turning 37 in sept but Gibson is washed up at 31/32?

one thing isn't like the other, stop speciallizing in false equivalencies

 

[Canovin]

Do we want McDavid calling up his buddies for a team up? He's gotten Warren Foegele, Connor Brown, Devin Shore, and Travis Dermott. None of whom were needle movers.

Team Canada buddies

 

[Canovin]

you and your shrimps, I can see you going all Yamamoto on Savoie

one thing isn't like the other, stop speciallizing in false equivalencies

Gibson at one point was arguably the best goalie in the league

 

[iCanada]

Verbeek is building a team and nurturing a culture with curated pick up of a few character, hard game veteran players. We saw the Oilers extended rebuild(s) flounder trying to push its development with latch key kids driving the bus. Anaheim is loaded with young, pedigree skill and size with some hard game veterans in Trouba, Gudas and Kreider to help their group mature into a team that will be compete and be hard to play against. Sold low on Zegras but moved out a soft, entitled play long on dangle, low on maturity and putting on the work boots required to win at this apex level. They could afford to do so (not necessarily agreeing about the return) to forge the culture they are building.

Verbeek, as 'the little ball of hate', played the game hard with zero corners cut. Has built up solid management cred within a sustained winning organization. Hired a taskmaster coach to infuse work ethic now an elite winning one to pull this thing together.

Agreed. Zegras reminds me of Robby Schremp and that quote from MacT;

"Some guys win puck battles. Some guys lose puck battles, but give their teammates time to help them out. He isn't aware there was a puck battle until it's already happened." - MacT on why Schremp wasn't playing.

Not a big loss. Basically they changed him out for Kreider while gaining cap space and a couple assets.

They already had a ton of work ethic and jam last year - they turned that dail up a bit this offseason. All their core players are young as hell so should be getting better year over test, they've built in a manner that will be peaking net outwards, and they've got over 30 million in cap.

They could get very very good in a hurry.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

People do carry weight differently.

Draisaitl and Janmark are the same height and only four pounds off but you’d never know it by the way they play.

So what's the difference, will Savoie become some sort of wrecking ball or Marchand 2.0? More likely Savoie has major league growing pains for several seasons then rounds out as an undersized third liner.

Gibson was at one point was arguably the best goalie in the league

You accurately state "was" which is real progress. I'm not expecting much.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

There are any rumours about Saros?

 

[Canovin]

So what's the difference, will Savoie become some sort of wrecking ball or Marchand 2.0? More likely Savoie has major league growing pains for several seasons then rounds out as an undersized third liner.

You accurately state "was" which is real progress. I'm not expecting much.

He had a good season last year.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Team Canada buddies

One of those Team Canada buddies requested to go to Florida and only Florida, then killed us all Finals long. The reality is that it's hard to get stars to come play in Canada where they get taxed more and draw the media circus, and McDavid's best recruits are bottom 6 role players like Foegele/Brown.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

Kulak got scored on twice in the finals. Fewest on the defense.

The guy who shit the bed in the finals was Walman.

You sure about that?

 

[Draiskull]

Will he grow to be 6 feet? Will he get fatter?

He will likely get to around 190lbs once filled out.

A 2 yr older Carter Savoie is 5'10 and 191.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Will he grow to be 6 feet? Will he get fatter?

I could help him out with this one.

 

[Draiskull]

There are any rumours about Saros?

not good ones. Apparently NSH isnt rebuilding\ taking a step back

 

[Canovin]

One of those Team Canada buddies requested to go to Florida and only Florida, then killed us all Finals long. The reality is that it's hard to get stars to come play in Canada where they get taxed more and draw the media circus, and McDavid's best recruits are bottom 6 role players like Foegele/Brown.

McDavid hasn't decided to team up yet. I think once he decides to go that route like Lebron, I think the league will feel it.

 

[brentashton]

Will he grow to be 6 feet? Will he get fatter?

Thank you for saying it. There is some major copium around these 2 players being consumed on this thread.

 

[McJadeddog]

Lol. One guy is 5-9, 178 lbs and the other guy is listed as 5-9, 179 lbs.

How does one extra pound make Savoie “stouter” than Yamamoto??!

Anyway, the issue remains that they are too similar, for Savoie to be any great panacea to the Oilers needs.

First, I wouldn't every, EVER, believe numbers around players that are online. We all know those numbers are basically made up in some cases, and that is doubly true for smaller players. I've met Eberle before as an example, and he is listed at 5'11". I was SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than him, and I'm 5'9.5". There are countless such examples of this.

Secondly, people are built different and have different compositions and body types. It's kind of crazy that I need to point this out. We are know 2 different guys who are 180 lbs each, or thereabouts, and are built 100% differently. By all accounts, Savoie is built pretty well, while it was widely known that Yams was exceptionally sleight.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

There are any rumours about Saros?

You just started one. I'll give you more credence than Elliotte Friedman, who can go suck a dick with his fish lips.

 

[Sinnerella]

lol what?
Arvidsson spent most of his icetime with Podkolzin and Draisaitl. “Carrying himself” the f***.

lol he was in the bottom 6 far more often. eye test i watched like 20 games max in regular season (grain of salt idk stats) but f*** every time it was not arvi on one of those two lines but wit henrique or on fourth line island carrying it. I shut up now, you are right arvi is shite why would anyone want him for more than a 7th?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

McDavid hasn't decided to team up yet. I think once he decides to go that route like Lebron, I think the league will feel it.

Well, he can start with getting Sam Montembeault between our pipes.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He tries to shoot for the moon with Gibson and then trades Zegras for this. He has no idea what he’s doing.

This is my sense too. He expect the Oilers to just hand him whatever, while he's making baffling deals left and right.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

Lol. One guy is 5-9, 178 lbs and the other guy is listed as 5-9, 179 lbs.

How does one extra pound make Savoie “stouter” than Yamamoto??!

Anyway, the issue remains that they are too similar, for Savoie to be any great panacea to the Oilers needs.

He's clearly put on weight then, because last I can find is that he was 155 pounds in 2023. So, Savoie will be coming in 20 pounds heavier than we ever had Yamamoto at on the roster.

The comparison is certaintly fair, but let's not go overboard here. He can still be an impact player, even if the odds are stacked against him as an undersized player.

He got put into the lineup when the team was playing their worst hockey of the season. Analytically, play was going in the right direction he was on the ice, despite the results (which, again, seemed to be symptomatic of the team as a whole).

Let's see how he does out of training camp.. who knows.