Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?

[powerserge]

What do you mean?

Lehner isn't reporting for camp. If he was, he'd get the evaluation everyone knows he would and he would be placed on LTIR, alleviating Vegas of the cap hit anyways. He's toast.

I don't see what the "cheating" is.

The advantages are clear. Vegas does not need LTIR for one, instead of them being over the cap by 3.6 mil they have 1.46 mil in cap space with a full roster. They will accrue space and be able to acquire a 6+ mil player at the deadline.

Our Oilers themselves traded Ceci so that we too would have the ability to accrue cap space. So we lose a player as a cap casualty, Vegas gets to bypass things once again.

 

[Frank the Tank]

The advantages are clear. Vegas does not need LTIR for one, instead of them being over the cap by 3.6 mil they have 1.46 mil in cap space with a full roster. They will accrue space and be able to acquire a 6+ mil player at the deadline.

Our Oilers themselves traded Ceci so that we too would have the ability to accrue cap space. So we lose a player as a cap casualty, Vegas gets to bypass things once again.

Plus, if they did terminate Lehner's contract they would have faced cap uncertainty until the grievance the NHLPA files on his behalf was resolved. That could take months.

 

[K1984]

Before Lehner I didn't know this was even a thing. Pronger was flying to AZ every year to check in? Weber flew to Utah this year?

I guess the trip is worth it as a pre-requisite to collecting your salary, but I struggle to believe that every single LTIRetired player makes the trek to the camp of the team that happens to hold their rights every single year. There has to be some sort of alternative that gets used.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The advantages are clear. Vegas does not need LTIR for one, instead of them being over the cap by 3.6 mil they have 1.46 mil in cap space with a full roster. They will accrue space and be able to acquire a 6+ mil player at the deadline.

Our Oilers themselves traded Ceci so that we too would have the ability to accrue cap space. So we lose a player as a cap casualty, Vegas gets to bypass things once again.

Honesty. Oscar Klefbom wasn't reporting for camp the last few years, where's our cap relief?

If a Canadian team pulled this shit Bettman would have stripped them of their picks for the next decade.

 

[powerserge]

Plus, if they did terminate Lehner's contract they would have faced cap uncertainty until the grievance the NHLPA files on his behalf was resolved. That could take months.

If Vegas wanted to avoid LTIR and they terminated the contract they would have been 3.6 mil over the cap and have to be cap compliant within a week (start of the season). So due to this uncertainty they would have to expose players to waivers and run a 20-21 man roster or have to trade a player like we did with Ceci. Now they get to keep all of their players and accrue cap space.

As mentioned Koekkoek, same mental issues, did not report to camp, got paid to sit at home. No 950k cap relief for us. Absolutely no difference. With Price, Murray and Weber can see that the differences are injury related vs mental effects. The Koekkoek example is exactly the same as Lehner. So the situation is not unique.

Oilers defenceman Slater Koekkoek details struggles with anxiety

Koekkoek shared an update on his LinkedIn page on why he left the game of hockey over a year ago saying he needed to show others that they were not alone in their battle against anxiety.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[powerserge]

Honesty. Oscar Klefbom wasn't reporting for camp the last few years, where's our cap relief?

If a Canadian team pulled this shit Bettman would have stripped them of their picks for the next decade.

The difference seems to be injury related vs mental health for Vegas to be allowed to bypass this loophole, aka "unique situation". Klef, Price, Murray, Weber, etc all had/have injuries.

Debunked with the Koekkoek example. Koekk didn't report to camp either and went back to verify this was accurate. Exactly the same, it's not 5 mil in relief but 900+ k cap relief wouldn't hurt.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

The League should not be meddling into a team's salary cap situation. Certainly not with anything that can effect competitive balance.

I have respect for Robin Lehner for dealing with mental health and addiction issues. The league publicly awarded him for this difficult reality. However Vegas knowingly traded for this player with full knowledge of the multiple challenges involved and further bet on it with a long-term contract.



'We thought it took us to a real good place to improve our club in the final 18 games," McCrimmon said. "We all want to win. When you have the chance to add really good players to your team, that's what we want to do."'

Lehner's financial problems may cloud things but Vegas has always lived on the edge with an organizational philosophy of risky decision making. It is unconscionable to see the League impose itself in this situation of the team's own making. To afford Vegas a competitive advantage over its poor decision to bet term on a high risk player is ludicrous.

 

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In messy preseason for the Blues, Philip Broberg shows he needs to grow into his role: Net Front Presence

St. Louis Blues beat reporter Matthew DeFranks and columnist Jeff Gordon discussed defenseman Philip Broberg's performance so far in the preseason games and where he needs to improve to be

www.stltoday.com

STL media saying Broberg has a lot of growing to do. Shocking lol

 

[VeteranPresence]

Since we have to adhere to the rules as a non-golden child, are Cale Fleury or Nick Blankenburg worth a look on waivers? I seem to remember Blankenburg having really good fancy stats in Columbus and Fleury has two stellar AHL years under his belt and is just 25.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

The difference seems to be injury related vs mental health for Vegas to be allowed to bypass this loophole, aka "unique situation". Klef, Price, Murray, Weber, etc all had/have injuries.

Debunked with the Koekkoek example. Koekk didn't report to camp either and went back to verify this was accurate. Exactly the same, it's not 5 mil in relief but 900+ k cap relief wouldn't hurt.

The Oilers freed up Koekkoek's 925k cap when they waived him after he didn't show up for camp...

 

[JeffSkinner53]

In messy preseason for the Blues, Philip Broberg shows he needs to grow into his role: Net Front Presence

St. Louis Blues beat reporter Matthew DeFranks and columnist Jeff Gordon discussed defenseman Philip Broberg's performance so far in the preseason games and where he needs to improve to be

www.stltoday.com

STL media saying Broberg has a lot of growing to do. Shocking lol

Dermott's looked better and we're about to get Dermott for 850 k or so

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Since we have to adhere to the rules as a non-golden child, are Cale Fleury or Nick Blankenburg worth a look on waivers? I seem to remember Blankenburg having really good fancy stats in Columbus and Fleury has two stellar AHL years under his belt and is just 25.

I was going to come in to say that Blankenburg may be worth a claim but I’m not sure how much better he would be then Stetcher

 

[Broberg Speed]

The advantages are clear. Vegas does not need LTIR for one, instead of them being over the cap by 3.6 mil they have 1.46 mil in cap space with a full roster. They will accrue space and be able to acquire a 6+ mil player at the deadline.

Our Oilers themselves traded Ceci so that we too would have the ability to accrue cap space. So we lose a player as a cap casualty, Vegas gets to bypass things once again.

This is 100% correct and the Oilers start the season with an overwhelming disadvantage.

 

[powerserge]

The Oilers freed up Koekkoek's 925k cap when they waived him after he didn't show up for camp...

It's an apples to apples comparison, the only difference is the salary. Koekk didn't report to the Bake after being waived either, we were able to bury his contract due to the 1.125 mil minors limit. I'm sure the Oilers would be more than happy to be allowed to terminate his contract (with pay to him) to get .925k in extra cap. Oilers were paying him anyways to sit at home. Aside from the size of the contract, there is no difference between Lehner and Koekk.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

It's an apples to apples comparison, the only difference is the salary. Koekk didn't report to the Bake after being waived either, we were able to bury his contract due to the 1.125 mil minors limit. I'm sure the Oilers would be more than happy to be allowed to terminate his contract (with pay to him) to get .950k in extra cap. Oilers were paying him anyways to sit at home. Aside from the size of the contract, there is no difference between Lehner and Koekk.

What extra cap? His cap hit was 0$ once he was waived.

Also they were allowed to terminate his contract after he didn't report to training camp. They just didn't.

 

[powerserge]

What extra cap? His cap hit was 0$ once he was waived.

Also they were allowed to terminate his contract after he didn't report to training camp. They just didn't.

Not sure what the confusion is. Vegas just gained 5 mil in cap for free on a player that has mental issues by terminating. Rather than waiving Koekk, if we were to have terminated his contract for the exact same reason we would NOT have gained the .925k in cap on top like Vegas just did.

 

[Coffees]

Hi guys, are the Canucks and Oilers cool now? Or has that ship sailed

 

[North]

Hi guys, are the Canucks and Oilers cool now? Or has that ship sailed

Eff the Canucks.

 

[North]

Dermott's looked better and we're about to get Dermott for 850 k or so

In a shock to some people, Broberg is still a massive question mark.

Now St. Louis gets to pay him a ridiculous sum to work through his growing pains.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Not sure what the confusion is. Vegas just gained 5 mil in cap for free on a player that has mental issues by terminating. Rather than waiving Koekk, if we were to have terminated his contract for the exact same reason we would NOT have gained the .925k in cap on top like Vegas just did.

The confusion is on your end

 

[McShogun99]

In a shock to some people, Broberg is still a massive question mark.

Now St. Louis gets to pay him a ridiculous sum to work through his growing pains.

I wouldn't doubt that he gets bought out next off season unless the Blue's want to double down on their gross over pay mistake. At least the Holloway over pay is only around 700k.

 

[powerserge]

The confusion is on your end

If I'm missing something please explain.

 

[Coffees]

Eff the Canucks.

I respect that

 

[GOilers88]

The advantages are clear. Vegas does not need LTIR for one, instead of them being over the cap by 3.6 mil they have 1.46 mil in cap space with a full roster. They will accrue space and be able to acquire a 6+ mil player at the deadline.

Our Oilers themselves traded Ceci so that we too would have the ability to accrue cap space. So we lose a player as a cap casualty, Vegas gets to bypass things once again.

But Ceci is an active player? Lehner has been done for a couple years now.

Did the Oilers require Klefbom to report every camp to be evaluated for LTIR? Is that the actual procedure? Is there one? Or are you just on LTIR indefinitely? I honestly don't know.

Is the thought that Lehner is actually cleared to play and they just don't want him to?

 

[JeffSkinner53]

Hi guys, are the Canucks and Oilers cool now? Or has that ship sailed

When their fans stop whining we might be. But I have a better chance if winning Lotto Max.