Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?

[CycloneSweep]

Its Mike Hoffman

 

[McDoused]

Mike Hoffman. Odd add. Doesn’t fill the 4C role or one of the D positions

Weird. I guess you can play him and rest your regulars.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Doesnt sound like someone preparing for hockey.

Lol. Burning Man. What a dork.

 

[Canovin]

Doesnt sound like someone preparing for hockey.

haha the last guy I thought would be into that kind of stuff

 

[Paralyzer]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836412347713257485

Well he finally is an Oiler LOL

 

[Cloned]

Gregor was finally right!!!

 

[Heavy Dee]

Mike Hoffman. Odd add. Doesn’t fill the 4C role or one of the D positions

Lavoie gets shafted again.

 

[McDoused]

 

[Paralyzer]

I think this was more for resting the regulars in preseason and potentially seeing if he would be a stop gap for Kane (Top 9 mins) IMO. But other than that, it is a weird add.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Lavoie gets shafted again.

It’s a PTO… outplay him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

....Okay, that's not a defenseman.

 

[GOilers88]

There's been like a million PTO's across the league.

Wouldn't look into this one very hard at all. They have 8 preseason games to get through.

 

[Canovin]

Just need to add Erik Karlsson and it'll be complete

 

[Tarus]

Hoffman? Weird choice

Someone should check and see if Jeff Jackson was on these forums in 2007 and spent all his time obsessing about rolling 4 scoring lines with everyone else back then.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Just need to add Erik Karlsson and it'll be complete

This org just loves its asshole pos players, eh

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I kind of disagree with this. The Harley situation in Dallas was completely different situation than Broberg in Edmonton.

IMO, It would have made more sense St.Louis to go after Harley in Dallas. Dallas is a division rival and stealing him after a 47 point season makes sense. Dallas didn't leave extra money open to match offer sheets, they had it open just to try and sign him. If the blues offered him a long term contract, Dallas wouldn't have been able to afford it without moving pieces similar to Edmonton.

Its hilarious that Broberg is making almost 600k more than Harley. Broberg had a few good games in the playoffs and wouldnt warrant a similar contract. The only leverage Broberg had from taking 1M was an offer sheet. It was obvious that him and his agent were the ones that really pushed for this.

Sure, Holland messed up the handling of this situation but his coaches also wouldn't play him. Instead of battling for a spot (which be essentially lost to Desharnais and Kulak), he demanded a trade and pursue offer sheets.

Good riddance Broberg. Hopefully the door hit him in the way out. He whined back in Sweden when he couldn't make the men's league either. This is a guy who despite being talented and showing flashes, failed to earn a spot the past 5 years.

The Broberg and Holloway offer sheets were entirely different. It worked because there was a disgruntled player at the heart of the issue who had an in-season trade request. A second young RFA target with also some development hiccups and alleged uncertainty about his own opportunity. A team that was over the cap having chosen to go for it in signing players versus keeping cap space like all the other teams with RFA players and one with three cornerstone franchise players up for new contracts over the next couple years. The opportunity space became a double indemnity offer sheet at lowest tier that didn't involve first round compensation.

With $6.2 million cap space and an NHL proven big, productive age 23 d-man, Harley is a player and positional type that's going to be defended. Why Dallas chose to keep significant cap money to mitigate. In theory, he's a better offer sheet target but in practice offer sheets go where there is vulnerability to exploit. Nashville stepping up to match Shea Weber is the extreme example.

For all parties involved it's about choices and consequences without assigning any blame. When given an opening the market filled the gap on the two young Oilers players who have a different value point in St. Louis than the cheap contract drag Edmonton needed from them.

 

[FlameChampion]

Kind of a weird PTO. I don’t really care personally but I just hope there isn’t an injury we don’t know about. Not sure where the guy would fit.

Was Jackson his previous agent at any time?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Dallas had $6.2 million in cap space to protect themselves against any prospective offer sheet. It's a very different real difference in management choices and a defendable position from poachers. As stated before, Harley's development path was different than Broberg with the organization playing him and no reason to believe that commitment had changed or would. He played on a deep playoff team with progressive development into a regular NHL defenseman on a good team. That is entirely different than Broberg's situation which included an in-season trade request. Dallas has done a good job of draft development integrating many young players into their veteran team. Unfortunately Jackson identified this as a organizational priority on day 1 when he took over.

The two parties negotiated a deal that lands as a comparable to Bouchard and Dobson not impacted by the inflationary deal required by RFA signing process with Broberg. Good business by Dallas to mitigate the risk and get their guy signed.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836204689190207963

Oilers felt they had enough cap space to get these players signed to fair contracts but you can’t always account for someone else’s stupidity. They even demonstrated the ability to have enough cap space but made the correct choice of not drastically overpaying unestablished players.


I mean what’s the play now? Overpay guys early and hope they grow into it? Trade them because your scared of an offer sheet, or just keep unused cap space tied up during critical junctures such as free agency because your fearful that a massive overpay of an offer sheet might come?

 

[Mez]

haha the last guy I thought would be into that kind of stuff

All those repressed emotions need to come out i guess lol

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Hopefully no one’s vomiting over this PTO

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oilers felt they had enough cap space to get these players signed to fair contracts but you can’t always account for someone else’s stupidity. They even demonstrated the ability to have enough cap space but made the correct choice of not drastically overpaying unestablished players.


I mean what’s the play now? Overpay guys early and hope they grow into it? Trade them because your scared of an offer sheet, or just keep unused cap space tied up during critical junctures such as free agency because your fearful that a massive overpay of an offer sheet might come?

When has NHL free agency been rational? A record billion dollars was spent this July 1. There's bad decisions every year. St. Louis exploited a vulnerability using an inflationary CBA vehicle to do it.

We're seeing young players assert themselves through all means of CBA vehicles to choose their destination and/or prioritize their financial security over external conditions. As far as RFA offer sheet threat, I guess one obvious tactic used by other NHL teams is to keep cap space available to mitigate against flight risk. Not sure how much fear factor there needs to be if your mitigate escape paths and actively manage your development work. May have to make hard decisions earlier on how/if a player's ability and expense meet your team's budget (pending on what phase of organizational growth you're in).

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oil opted for maximum exhibition games so Hoffman will get tons of icetime to try to earn an NHL contract with someone. Would like to see more PTO's frankly.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Mike Hoffman on PTO? Interesting and it does make sense. With no Kane to start the year and Holloway bailing, there needs to be competition on the bottom six

 

[GOilers88]

Oil opted for maximum exhibition games so Hoffman will get tons of icetime to try to earn an NHL contract with someone. Would like to see more PTO's frankly.

I don't ever remember there being so many PTO's across the league as there is this year. Maybe I just never noticed, but it seems like every team has tossed out a ton of them.

Honestly don't see any downfall, and agree there should be more.

 

[McTonyBrar]

It’s a PTO… outplay him.

Agreed. If Lavoie wants to make the team, beat competition and play hard