WJC: Rumor: Russia might be allowed to participate in the next WJC

[Albatros]

My question is, what has any of what's going on over there have to do with the junior aged kids who just want to compete and play hockey like any other kid their age?

They didn't start the war they shouldn't be punished continually for what some NPCs would call the great sin of being born in Russia.

Dafuq are they supposed to do?

Do I understand correctly that you want to permit Russian delegations consisting solely of junior-aged kids without the involvement of state-affiliated Russian entities?

 

[K1900L]

Won't be happening soon.
I also guess that Putin and Russian executives like it more this way, so I also don't see them actively combatting this status quo.

 

[Chuck Testa]

Do I understand correctly that you want to permit Russian delegations consisting solely of junior-aged kids without the involvement of state-affiliated Russian entities?

The athletes have nothing to do with what's happening in their home country apart from being born Russian. Guys like Dom Hasek calling for the banishment of Russian players from the NHL is absurd. Took too many pucks to the head, evidentally.

 

[weklof]

They shouldn't be allowed in until their war of aggression ends, but will they? Russian fans and sponsors bring in a lot of money and we know the fat cats in the IIHF love their money

 

[Albatros]

The athletes have nothing to do with what's happening in their home country apart from being born Russian. Guys like Dom Hasek calling for the banishment of Russian players from the NHL is absurd. Took too many pucks to the head, evidentally.

You can have Russian players in the NHL without the involvement of the Russian Hockey Federation or other such entities, but how are you going to achieve that with underage kids?

 

[ViD]

You can have Russian players in the NHL without the involvement of the Russian Hockey Federation or other such entities, but how are you going to achieve that with underage kids?

It’s pretty simple, to begin with, Russia can participate under neutral flag and name with Russian officials prohibited from any war/politics related comments or decisions.
As far as I understand, FIFA already granted Russian junior women team the rights to participate in some internationals tourneys

 

[pth2]

My question is, what has any of what's going on over there have to do with the junior aged kids who just want to compete and play hockey like any other kid their age?

They didn't start the war they shouldn't be punished continually for what some NPCs would call the great sin of being born in Russia.

Dafuq are they supposed to do?

Go protest ?
Defect ?
I don't know. I don't really care, TBH. But you can't treat people who invade their neighbors as friends.

 

[Not The One]

Without Russia any of sport competitions (not only hockey) not legitimate.

Lol. Far more legitimate than their "special military operation" in Ukraine.

Russian kids can participate if they manage to escape to another country and get a citizenship there. With mandatory conscription, that would probably be the safest route for them in any case.

 

[Icarium]

Without Russia any of sport competitions (not only hockey) not legitimate.

They are more legitimate than all those Olympic golds that the "amateurs" from the Eastern Bloc won.

 

[ViD]

They are more legitimate than all those Olympic golds that the "amateurs" from the Eastern Bloc won.

Meh, that’s a crappy argument. Canada didn’t want their NHLers to participate in the Olympics as they always considered it a weak and inferior competition and only the Summit games changed their view on it, and even then, it took them decades to finally participate instead of hosting Canada Cup

 

[Albatros]

It’s pretty simple, to begin with, Russia can participate under neutral flag and name with Russian officials prohibited from any war/politics related comments or decisions.
As far as I understand, FIFA already granted Russian junior women team the rights to participate in some internationals tourneys

Top Russian hockey officials like Tretiak, Fetisov, Rotenberg are directly sanctioned, so already the team officials would need to be neutrals appointed by the IIHF with no Russian involvement. I doubt that the Russians would agree to that even if they were given the chance.

 

[ViD]

Top Russian hockey officials like Tretiak, Fetisov, Rotenberg are directly sanctioned, so already the team officials would need to be neutrals appointed by the IIHF with no Russian involvement. I doubt that the Russians would agree to that even if they were given the chance.

I mean, none of those guys need to be with the team traveling to any host country, so that might not be a deal breaker, if the Russians say it is, then so be it

 

[Icarium]

Meh, that’s a crappy argument. Canada didn’t want their NHLers to participate in the Olympics as they always considered it a weak and inferior competition and only the Summit games changed their view on it, and even then, it took them decades to finally participate instead of hosting Canada Cup

I wasn't talking about hockey only, it was happening in many sports. When Russia is talking today about unfair treatment, I can only chuckle and say "Karma is a bitch, cheaters".

 

[ViD]

I wasn't talking about hockey only, it was happening in many sports. When Russia is talking today about unfair treatment, I can only chuckle and say "Karma is a bitch, cheaters".

What Soviet cheating are you talking about ? In what sports ? It’s not like the USSR dominated soccer or even basketball. And they indeed had great athletes in many individual sports

 

[Mirinho]

IIHF WCH in 2024 is here in the Czech republic. I hope RUS won't be allowed to participate. The only possible way how to return them to sport events is peace.

 

[GX]

The thing in juniors is that the WJC is mostly Hockey Canada's cash cow, the key European sponsors won't care all too much if the federations choose to boycott it

I don't think sponsors will be ok with top nations boycotting. Because there won't be much cash to milk in such a scenario.

Here are the draft groups for the WJC, if terroristic russia takes part. It's clear that Finland and Latvia pulls out. And more likely than not that Czechia, Slovakia and Sweden join them.

Group A:
russia
USA
Germany
belarus
France

Group B:
Canada
Switzerland
Austria
Norway
Kazakhstan

 

[ViD]

Group A:
russia
USA
Germany
belarus
France

Group B:
Canada
Switzerland
Austria
Norway
Kazakhstan

Looks pretty much the same as it is now, 3-4 good teams and the rest gets decimated

 

[GX]

The athletes have nothing to do with what's happening in their home country apart from being born Russian. Guys like Dom Hasek calling for the banishment of Russian players from the NHL is absurd. Took too many pucks to the head, evidentally.

Sure thing. Russians have nothing to do and hold no responsibility for their state or its actions.

 

[Icarium]

What Soviet cheating are you talking about ? In what sports ? It’s not like the USSR dominated soccer or even basketball

You do know that team sports are not the only sports? East Germany, a small country with a population of less than 20 million was somehow second in the Olympics medal table in 1976 and in 1988, for instance, largely thanks to doping and using "amateur" athletes. All Eastern Bloc countries did it but nowadays cheating is privatised and smaller scale (Western style) in all those countries except Russia.

 

[ViD]

You do know that team sports are not the only sports? East Germany, a small country with a population of less than 20 million was somehow second in the Olympics medal table in 1976 and in 1988, for instance, largely thanks to doping and using "amateur" athletes. All Eastern Bloc countries did it but nowadays cheating is privatised and smaller scale (Western style) in all those countries except Russia.

Another weak argument, western nations were also using doping a lot, hence so many sprinters and other athletes were caught later once WADA had the means. It’s the just the way the sports is, try to gain the advantage any way you can without getting caught

 

[ViD]

Sure thing. Russians have nothing to do and hold no responsibility for their state or its actions.

Are you a bit ill or something ? CreditSuisse deposits tanking maybe ?

These signs are put out by the team owners and sponsors, the athletes have no say in it

 

[Icarium]

Yeah but the Eastern Bloc were the ones abusing the amateur loophole and forcing athletes to get doped. I never said that the Westerners didn't cheat, of course they did, but the results speak for themselves. The much more populous and richer West Germany was nowhere near as successful as its communist counterpart, I wonder why?

 

[ViD]

It appears that FIFA just allowed Russia to participate in some central Asian tournament this Summer with games sanctioned by FIFA and results counting towards FIFA rankings

 

[Albatros]

Yeah but the Eastern Bloc were the ones abusing the amateur loophole and forcing athletes to get doped. I never said that the Westerners didn't cheat, of course they did, but the results speak for themselves. The much more populous and richer West Germany was nowhere near as successful as its communist counterpart, I wonder why?

Let's also not pretend all West German players were full amateurs though.

 

[ViD]

Yeah but the Eastern Bloc were the ones abusing the amateur loophole and forcing athletes to get doped. I never said that the Westerners didn't cheat, of course they did, but the results speak for themselves. The much more populous and richer West Germany was nowhere near as successful as its communist counterpart, I wonder why?

I think it might also be the result of a strong athletic programs in the eastern block where sports results were a big part of “propaganda”, just look at China now, they dominate many individual events even under WADA