Proposal: Roy for Niemelä+

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Sorry to hear about Grundstrom not panning out.

Hasn’t he? He was projected to be a middle six power forward type.

 

[inthe6ix]

No thanks.

 

[Morgs]

Happy to see that Habs fans are not the only one who massively overrated there prospect. Niemelä a top 10 prospect D not in the NHL, really ?? Not saying he’s not good, but they are way better prospect then him especially with his size . Remember me when Habs fans thought that Romanov would be a Calder finaliste and one of the best D not in the NHL.

You do realize that there are 10 defenseman that should be considered "top-10 prospect D", right? It's not an outrageous claim by any means for me to say a 19 year old defenseman playing 20+ minutes/game in the ~5th best league in the world while dominating play & being almost PPG before going off the WJC (which since his PPG has taken a bit of a hit).

Name me 10 better prospect defenseman right now. I'll even start the list for you of guys that I believe are better prospects (and yes, I'll laugh when I see Guhle):

Owen Power
Jake Sanderson
Simon Edvinsson
Brandt Clarke
Luke Hughes
Olen Zellweger

Either way, I'm done arguing this. Good day.

 

[Morgs]

Sorry to hear about Grundstrom not panning out.

Tbh the trade looks like a W for both teams, really not sure why we have to sling mud.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Tbh the trade looks like a W for both teams, really not sure why we have to sling mud.

agreed, we should instead sling mud over the kings giving the leafs the best goalie in the league

 

[Mats26]

Sorry to hear about Grundstrom not panning out.

Grundy is doing fine. Not sure who told u Grundy is a bust. Perfect bottom 6 player.

 

[LeafGrief]

For the last 2-3 years I heard how great and underrated Holl was from Leafs fans... what happened?

Justin Holl is having a bad season. He was great the last two years, he is not great this year. This is a simple concept.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

agreed, we should instead sling mud over the kings giving the leafs the best goalie in the league

I'd say we're fine with that one too.

Campbell doesn't help the Kings win with their upcoming prospects, and we had to make space for the younger Petersen. Seems like Kings front office and TO's front office do well together and as you know Campbell is a stellar human being so everyone was done a solid. Also, since no one knows shit about Roy, it comes as no surprise that you didn't notice that Quick is also one of the best goalies in the league this year.

So out of that trade we got a useful roster player in Moore, a pick that was used in pursuit of Kirill Kirsanov, and Alex Laferriere. life's good, I thought it was win-win, but as usual, the parade started a little too early in TO I guess, all unnecessary venom started because Kings can't afford to give up Matt Roy for position-of-strength futures

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I'd say we're fine with that one too.

Campbell doesn't help the Kings win with their upcoming prospects, and we had to make space for the younger Petersen. Seems like Kings front office and TO's front office do well together and as you know Campbell is a stellar human being so everyone was done a solid. Also, since no one knows shit about Roy, it comes as no surprise that you didn't notice that Quick is also one of the best goalies in the league this year.

So out of that trade we got a useful roster player in Moore, a pick that was used in pursuit of Kirill Kirsanov, and Alex Laferriere. life's good, I thought it was win-win, but as usual, the parade started a little too early in TO I guess, all unnecessary venom started because Kings can't afford to give up Matt Roy for position-of-strength futures

I agree with you and generally have zero animosity towards your points. But resinging Iafallo instead of trading him to us was a dick move lol
he was IMO the perfect fit for our top 6

 

[Holls Blackmail]

No on trading Topi.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I'd say we're fine with that one too.

Campbell doesn't help the Kings win with their upcoming prospects, and we had to make space for the younger Petersen. Seems like Kings front office and TO's front office do well together and as you know Campbell is a stellar human being so everyone was done a solid. Also, since no one knows shit about Roy, it comes as no surprise that you didn't notice that Quick is also one of the best goalies in the league this year.

So out of that trade we got a useful roster player in Moore, a pick that was used in pursuit of Kirill Kirsanov, and Alex Laferriere. life's good, I thought it was win-win, but as usual, the parade started a little too early in TO I guess, all unnecessary venom started because Kings can't afford to give up Matt Roy for position-of-strength futures

yeah I wouldn't say there was much venom in my post tbh. The Campbell trade has been incredible for Toronto, obviously. I made no comment about the Kings side of things.

 

[Nizdizzle]

I'd say we're fine with that one too.

Campbell doesn't help the Kings win with their upcoming prospects, and we had to make space for the younger Petersen. Seems like Kings front office and TO's front office do well together and as you know Campbell is a stellar human being so everyone was done a solid. Also, since no one knows shit about Roy, it comes as no surprise that you didn't notice that Quick is also one of the best goalies in the league this year.

So out of that trade we got a useful roster player in Moore, a pick that was used in pursuit of Kirill Kirsanov, and Alex Laferriere. life's good, I thought it was win-win, but as usual, the parade started a little too early in TO I guess, all unnecessary venom started because Kings can't afford to give up Matt Roy for position-of-strength futures

You complaining about "unnecessary venom" in the same sentence is that you take a "plan the parade" potshot is kinda rich. Get off your highhorse.

 

[darrylsittler27]

The Leafs wont be trading him.

 

[Trash Panda]

Makes no sense for the kings to add an undeveloped prospect into a position of organizational strength, especially at the cost of our best shutdown D.

We do have spicy Marc now though, so who the f*** knows, fax the paperwork through & maybe something wild happens.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Makes no sense for the kings to add an undeveloped prospect into a position of organizational strength, especially at the cost of our best shutdown D.

We do have spicy Marc now though, so who the f*** knows, fax the paperwork through & maybe something wild happens.

I legit wish rentals were rentals
where we could rent a player under contract for the remainder of a season.
It would really help teams looking to add picks/prospects and they would get their franchise player back at the end of the season. An other plus would be fans of a team who is out of the playoffs would then have a team to root for.

 

[I am Canadian]

Oh yes this picture guarantees both he and Sandin are destined to be stars…

What a dumb comment. I never stated that. I guess every prospect should be traded and have no value since nothing is guarented right?

 

[AcerComputer]

This thread so far has shown how criminally underrated Matt Roy is at the moment.

I would trade Sandin, Liljegren, Amirov, Robertson before I trade Niemelä. The criminal is you.

 

[PAZ]

I would trade Sandin, Liljegren, Amirov, Robertson before I trade Niemelä. The criminal is you.

First Liljegren was a steal of the draft, the next year Sandin became the shiny new toy and was going to be a top pairing defenseman, and now it's Niemela.

I guess if you think every prospect is going to turn out a stud eventually you'll be right.

 

[AcerComputer]

First Liljegren was a steal of the draft, the next year Sandin became the shiny new toy and was going to be a top pairing defenseman, and now it's Niemela.

I guess if you think every prospect is going to turn out a stud eventually you'll be right.

It's called potential. Niemelä has the most upside. Do we know what we have yet. No. Are fans allowed to prefer to keep one of their prospects over another. Yes. Is Matt Roy worth a 7th round pick still simply because he was drafted in the 7th round? It's almost like he is worth more since being drafted!! What an Amazing thought! It's almost as if some players value goes down, and others go up!

 

[unicornpig]

funny thing is leafs window is now, by the time niemla will even be able to show what hes capable of their window will be closed.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

First Liljegren was a steal of the draft, the next year Sandin became the shiny new toy and was going to be a top pairing defenseman, and now it's Niemela.

I guess if you think every prospect is going to turn out a stud eventually you'll be right.

For real. The hypocrisy is unreal

Remember when Liljegren was a sure fire blue chip future top pairing guy who fell from a top 5 pick to the leafs in the middle of the first?
Then Sandin was the future of the leafs blue line. After his WJC performance leaf fans were saying he was the 2nd best defenseman of the 2018 draft.

Now it’s Niemela.

 

[PAZ]

It's called potential. Niemelä has the most upside. Do we know what we have yet. No. Are fans allowed to prefer to keep one of their prospects over another. Yes. Is Matt Roy worth a 7th round pick still simply because he was drafted in the 7th round? It's almost like he is worth more since being drafted!! What an Amazing thought! It's almost as if some players value goes down, and others go up!

I've stated before that Niemela should've been a late 1st rounder in the draft. More than welcome to prefer to keep your prospects, but some objectively should remain. Matt Roy is easily worth more than Niemela +, regardless of how much you prefer him.

 

[Knies iT]

First Liljegren was a steal of the draft, the next year Sandin became the shiny new toy and was going to be a top pairing defenseman, and now it's Niemela.

I guess if you think every prospect is going to turn out a stud eventually you'll be right.

For real. The hypocrisy is unreal

Remember when Liljegren was a sure fire blue chip future top pairing guy who fell from a top 5 pick to the leafs in the middle of the first?
Then Sandin was the future of the leafs blue line. After his WJC performance leaf fans were saying he was the 2nd best defenseman of the 2018 draft.

Now it’s Niemela.

So out of touch. Remember when Girard was the second coming? Then the playoffs happened. How about Timmins? Oh right.

Not sure what your point is aside from listing the excellent value TOR has gotten out of it's later round picks. Niemela tracking towards blue chip status doesn't take anything away from Sandin

Sandin is proving most Leaf fans right and trending exactly how he was hyped. Liljegren was proclaimed to be a bust by HF casuals like yourself, yet he's been arguably the Leafs 3rd best D at times this year as a 22 year old. Niemela is tracking to set records in Liiga at 19.

As for the bolded - when in doubt, just make stuff up.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Why are Avs fans coming out of the woodwork to a Leafs/ LA trade thread to talk about how much they hate leafs fans and how all of our prospects are trash?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I guess if you think every prospect is going to turn out a stud eventually you'll be right.

That is Hockey's Future in a nutshell.