Prospect Info: Round 6, Pick 173: Ilya Pautov, RW, Krasnaya Armiya Moskva (MHL)

[GKJ]

Believe this makes him part of CSKA

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[VladDrag]

I'd be curious what the success rate of scorers outside the top 100 is the last few years.

Before the league caught on that rule changes had opened up the ice for smaller players, you could steal a player like Bratt.
But I'd suspect that the better offense first undersized prospects are no longer overlooked.

It would be nice if Gendron or Pautov turn out to be steals, but I remember Kase getting hype before he crashed and burned.

Kase didn’t crash and burn, not to say he was an NHL player. He wasn’t given a chance. They played a defenseman at left wing, someone who had not played forward since he was 10, instead of Kase.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Kase didn’t crash and burn, not to say he was an NHL player. He wasn’t given a chance. They played a defenseman at left wing, someone who had not played forward since he was 10, instead of Kase.

No other NHL team didnt see fit to give him a chance either.

 

[VladDrag]

No other NHL team didnt see fit to give him a chance either.

Yeah - I didn't say he was an NHL player. I said he wasn't given a chance.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Yeah - I didn't say he was an NHL player. I said he wasn't given a chance.

No other team saw fit to provide him an opportunity either. Doesn't matter at the end of the day.

 

[FLYguy3911]

When you are the least creative professional league in the world, the opinions don't really say a whole lot.

 

[Alex K]

3 assists for Pautov against Kapitan in a 5-0 win.

 

[Alex K]

Assist #1

Assist #2

Assist #3

Pautov is #91 if you're wondering

 

[deadhead]

3 assists for Pautov against Kapitan in a 5-0 win.

MHL or VHL?

 

[Alex K]

MHL or VHL?

MHL

 

[VladDrag]

MHL

Are any of his games on this channel? I'd like to watch some of his shift by shift videos.

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Edit -- Yes they are. Here is one of his games:

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[VladDrag]

13m into this game -- Kid is good. Real good. I don't understand how he is a 6th round pick.

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[Fight4yourRight]

13m into this game -- Kid is good. Real good. I don't understand how he is a 6th round pick.

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Has great edges. Puck handling and skating seems to be there. Not sure about the other facets. Has a weak-ish shot? Haven’t watched nearly enough.

 

[VladDrag]

Has great edges. Puck handling and skating seems to be there. Not sure about the other facets. Has a weak-ish shot? Haven’t watched nearly enough.

I haven’t either. Only watched the first period. Will watch more as the season moves on.

What I can say is he knows where others are on the ice and can extend plays. I don’t know if he’s consistent in that regard, but he looked like he had an ability to do that consistently.

 

[iceman42]

13m into this game -- Kid is good. Real good. I don't understand how he is a 6th round pick.

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His profile fit is for a small, offensive winger. High playmaker skillset, high skating, high stickhandling, high passing, good speed, average shot -- however a few scouts noted a marked improvement from the previous year. I think he fell because of he's considered small, and he doesn't have elite speed.

 

[VladDrag]

His profile fit is for a small, offensive winger. High playmaker skillset, high skating, high stickhandling, high passing, good speed, average shot -- however a few scouts noted a marked improvement from the previous year. I think he fell because of he's considered small, and he doesn't have elite speed.

on skill alone, he should have been a mid round, pick. I haven’t seen much, but I know high end skill when I see it, he’s got it.

 

[scumpup]

Serious steal.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It tickles me to see Bratt mentioned in this thread because one of the big knocks against him as a prospect was a terrible U18s. The current Flyers seemingly put an emphasis on that tourney.

 

[Magua]

The current Flyers seemingly put an emphasis on that tourney.

Been tooting that horn since 2021. Wouldn't even shock me if the York pick also was influenced by the u18s.

It's tough to get tape on some international guys, but I place virtually zero emphasis on tournament samples these days if I've seen a player in his natural habitat. Like it never happened. Learned that the hard way. It's a red flag to prefer that to in-season tape/stats.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it too soon to anoint this guy as the next major late-round Russian steal? Probably. But that won't stop me from implying that he is.

90 goal 90 assist rookie NHL season

 

[deadhead]

I can't get excited about MHL, we're talking slightly above the CHL/USHL?
PPG is pretty good at 17, but nothing overwhelming.
Will have to take it up a notch at 18, VHL at 19, KHL at 20.

Gendron at 18-19, 76g 69-31 100

 

[WIP CALLER]

Hmm DH can’t get excited about MHL production but was creaming his pants over MESTIS D+2 production. That’s funny.

 

[Appleyard]

Been tooting that horn since 2021. Wouldn't even shock me if the York pick also was influenced by the u18s.

It's tough to get tape on some international guys, but I place virtually zero emphasis on tournament samples these days if I've seen a player in his natural habitat. Like it never happened. Learned that the hard way. It's a red flag to prefer that to in-season tape/stats.

The thing is too...

it is really not tough to get tape on them today.

I dont have the facilities an NHL team has... but I could - for example - clip together a 13 hour video of Ilya Pautov within 40 minutes ahaha.

There is zero excuse anymore in terms of relying on tournament samples. Unless someone is playing a comically low level you can always get infinite tape of them now.

Pretty much every Euro league all the way down to their u-17 levels have every game fully filmed and available... (u-16 and u-15 is where it starts to get iffy... and the Belarusian u-20 league is an exception too, their games are hard to get your mitts on)

I can't get excited about MHL, we're talking slightly above the CHL/USHL?
PPG is pretty good at 17, but nothing overwhelming.
Will have to take it up a notch at 18, VHL at 19, KHL at 20.

Gendron at 18-19, 76g 69-31 100

MHL is however a far harder league to produce in than the QMJHL (and tbh the level is higher than the QMJHL as well while being lower scoring)...

but while Pautov is interesting the most likely outcome is probably an okay KHL player down the line. But that is a nice likely outcome for a later pick really.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hmm DH can’t get excited about MHL production but was creaming his pants over MESTIS D+2 production. That’s funny.

So predictable. You know it’s a bit when he’s comparing raw scoring between two leagues that don’t even record secondary assists the same way.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I can't get excited about MHL, we're talking slightly above the CHL/USHL?
PPG is pretty good at 17, but nothing overwhelming.
Will have to take it up a notch at 18, VHL at 19, KHL at 20.

Gendron at 18-19, 76g 69-31 100

Agree. Better to be playing well than not obviously. I don't know that it is above the USHL or CHL.

Let it play out see what the does in the next few years.

 

[Alex K]

Pautov scored 2+1 in a 4-0 win against Amurskiye Tigry