Series Talk: Round 2 discussion || North vs South || Leafs vs Panthers

[Pinkcat]

The Leafs may actually have a tougher time with a team like Carolina. Florida is slow and sloppy. That plays well into the Leafs style of play. Carolina is the opposite.

Carolina looked good against Washington but they had a lot of trouble getting a goal.

 

[Sypher04]

Never want to be over confident, and no disrespect to Carolina meant at all, because they are clearly a good team, and capable of winning a series against anyone in the final 8 just like we are. However, they don’t really scare me either.

 

[Delete1]

Carolina looked good against Washington but they had a lot of trouble getting a goal.

Same downfall every year for Carolina.

 

[Fogelhund]

Carolina looked good against Washington but they had a lot of trouble getting a goal.

and yet they've averaged 3.5 Goals per game in the playoffs... the same as us.

They also have the lowest goals against per game, at 2.0

They've give up zero goals on the PK so far.

 

[1specter]

Carolina looked good against Washington but they had a lot of trouble getting a goal.

It's the same story every year for them. They are very well coached and hard working, they have a really strong defense, a decent but not great forward group with good depth, and just okay goaltending. They tend to run through the bottom end playoff teams, but eventually they hit a ceiling, which tends to be the ECF, where they can't match their opponents' top end talent as they don't have a gamebreaker up front and Andersen can't make that extra save that Bob, Shesterkin, Vasi etc can make.

They are also analytics darlings and shot count queens, they frequently win the shots on goal battle but lose the war.

 

[Stephen]

It's the same story every year for them. They are very well coached and hard working, they have a really strong defense, a decent but not great forward group with good depth, and just okay goaltending. They tend to run through the bottom end playoff teams, but eventually they hit a ceiling, which tends to be the ECF, where they can't match their opponents' top end talent as they don't have a gamebreaker up front and Andersen can't make that extra save that Bob, Shesterkin, Vasi etc can make.

They are also analytics darlings and shot count queens, they frequently win the shots on goal battle but lose the war.

Leafs need to take care of their business and hope the other series are just long slogfests where the smaller weaker team with leaky goaltending prevails.

 

[Deebo]

Can't complain too much because we're winning but still, Marner playing 5 more minutes than Nylander tonight makes no sense whatsoever. And Matthews playing almost 6 minutes more, seriously coach, WTF??

Most of the difference was in the 3rd period when defending the lead.

8:37, 5:32, 8:34
8:06, 4:35, 4:36

and the 1 minute in the 2nd was PK time.

 

[kevsh]

Never want to be over confident, and no disrespect to Carolina meant at all, because they are clearly a good team, and capable of winning a series against anyone in the final 8 just like we are. However, they don’t really scare me either.

There's a whole lot of jumping way ahead in this thread.
I don't believe in jinxes and all that other stuff but please don't jinx this team?

... Then again the universe does revolve around the superstitions, beliefs, words and actions of people not involved in the game or series in any capacity. Seriously people, come on.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Most of the difference was in the 3rd period when defending the lead.

8:37, 5:32, 8:34
8:06, 4:35, 4:36

and the 1 minute in the 2nd was PK time.

Nylander led all forwards in ice time in game 6 against Ottawa when we were playing with the lead almost all game, he was also on the ice defending the lead in the last minute of play so no, I'm not buying this Nylander can't be trusted when we have the lead theory. Last night, we were also trailing most of the time so no, Nylander playing 5 minutes less than Marner is ridiculous.

Yes Marner gets PK minutes, but no reason Berube can't send Nylander out there with the 3rd/4th line every now and then, especially when we're behind. He played less than 18 minutes, I'm quite comfortable saying he could handle a few more shifts.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ekblad with another flying elbow trying to take out another goalie of ours.



I f***ing hate these scumbags.

 

[Sypher04]

There's a whole lot of jumping way ahead in this thread.
I don't believe in jinxes and all that other stuff but please don't jinx this team?

... Then again the universe does revolve around the superstitions, beliefs, words and actions of people not involved in the game or series in any capacity. Seriously people, come on.

Not me. Just responding to the thoughts on Carolina. Obviously the job here is not done yet and this comes back to what I said about not being overconfident.

We are no doubt in the driver seat, but this is far from over. If we don’t keep pushing to get better through this series the Panthers could absolutely win 4 of 5. They are that calibre of team

We need to match the Panthers desperation at home.

 

[WTFMAN99]

“**** that, let’s go get em both” - Kawhi

 

[Deebo]

Nylander led all forwards in ice time in game 6 against Ottawa when we were playing with the lead almost all game, he was also on the ice defending the lead in the last minute of play so no, I'm not buying this Nylander can't be trusted when we have the lead theory. Last night, we were also trailing most of the time so no, Nylander playing 5 minutes less than Marner is ridiculous.

Yes Marner gets PK minutes, but no reason Berube can't send Nylander out there with the 3rd/4th line every now and then, especially when we're behind. He played less than 18 minutes, I'm quite comfortable saying he could handle a few more shifts.

They were leading the entire 3rd period, save 17 seconds which is when the difference in ice time was. They were roughly equal through 2 periods.

It also looks like Marner was also out for some longer shifts in the 3rd, as he only had 2 more shifts than Nylander in the 3rd but 4 more minutes on ice.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I finally checked the box score from the last game and I see that after leading the forwards in ice time last game against Ottawa, Nylander played 5 and a half minutes less than Marner in game 1.

Is that a misprint or something, WTF Berube!!? Get your your head out of your ass and let stud boy loose, what are you waiting for?

With 3:15 left in game 1, they had almost identical ES ice time. Mitch with PK time and being stuck out there for the last two minutes because they either couldn't get the puck out, or iced it, was the difference.

Game two Mitch only had 2 more shifts (both PK), but got stuck out there longer because they got trapped in their own end a lot (MItch with 10 shifts over a minute, compared to Willy with 5).

Neither is something to blame Berube for in particular, and I can see him trying to get the Matthew line producing, as it will pretty much have to if we expect to go far.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They were leading the entire 3rd period, save 17 seconds which is when the difference in ice time was. They were roughly equal through 2 periods.

It also looks like Marner was also out for some longer shifts in the 3rd, as he only had 2 more shifts than Nylander in the 3rd but 4 more minutes on ice.

We were also leading most of the game against Ottawa.

 

[Gary Nylund]

With 3:15 left in game 1, they had almost identical ES ice time. Mitch with PK time and being stuck out there for the last two minutes because they either couldn't get the puck out, or iced it, was the difference.

Game two Mitch only had 2 more shifts (both PK), but got stuck out there longer because they got trapped in their own end a lot (MItch with 10 shifts over a minute, compared to Willy with 5).

Neither is something to blame Berube for in particular, and I can see him trying to get the Matthew line producing, as it will pretty much have to if we expect to go far.

5 and a half minutes, still seems like a lot. Not gonna complain too much as long as we keep winning, still seems weird though. That was my biggest beef with Keefe last playoffs too, was hoping Berube would be different.

 

[ruaware41]

Leafs need to take care of their business and hope the other series are just long slogfests where the smaller weaker team with leaky goaltending prevails.

Not always a good thing though. Leafs beat Ottawa in 6 while Florida dealt with Tampa in 5 and then came out flat footed in game 1. Leafs then looked a little flat footed beginning of game 2. In previous years that would be an automatic loss which is a good sign for this year.

I'm hoping Leafs win in 5 or 6 without more injuries but don't sweep.

 

[thusk]

Nylander led all forwards in ice time in game 6 against Ottawa when we were playing with the lead almost all game, he was also on the ice defending the lead in the last minute of play so no, I'm not buying this Nylander can't be trusted when we have the lead theory. Last night, we were also trailing most of the time so no, Nylander playing 5 minutes less than Marner is ridiculous.

Yes Marner gets PK minutes, but no reason Berube can't send Nylander out there with the 3rd/4th line every now and then, especially when we're behind. He played less than 18 minutes, I'm quite comfortable saying he could handle a few more shifts.

Play Nylander more doesn't mean that will help the team...

Exemple If he's playing 18 minute but in those 18min, he's playing a 100% or playong like 21 min but having a little less energe and playing 21 min at 90%... What is really the best? personally i choose 18 min at 100%.

Pacioretty playing high intensity but only during 13 min but playing 20, he would never play with the same intensity.

It's okay watching ice time but not every player are able to deal with the same way and maybe raising his ice time of 2-3, you will bring back the Nylander who's taking shift off in the defensive end because he don't have the energy left to play the same way. So t's working right now and we got the best Nylander version ever, why we should want to change something when they're a high risk than that just making him worst at the end and it's not the rwsult anyone want here

same in D the fact leafs had 3 great pair so everytime they step on the ixe, they are fresh and can gave their 100%

Balance is the key, find the zone where the player sre confortable in

 

[al secord]

5 and a half minutes, still seems like a lot. Not gonna complain too much as long as we keep winning, still seems weird though. That was my biggest beef with Keefe last playoffs too, was hoping Berube would be different.

You’ve already complained too much.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I just hope matthews and marner show up. i'm tired of them disappointing while other teams best players take over.

I think we can do it, but it will be the toughest test this core has played. If they push this to 6/7 and play their hearts out I won't be down on them at all.

I'd like to see Matthews score more goals but it's not for lack of trying. Many chances and he leads the team in shots. Marner has 10 points in 8 games and Matthews has 8 points in 8 games. Not sure what people were expecting but these are very decent numbers. And they're both doing it in a defensively responsible manner against the other teams' top lines.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s time for Matthews to step up and carry this team to the ECF. I don’t know how much he has in the tank, but be like Josh Allen, and do it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Play Nylander more doesn't mean that will help the team...

Exemple If he's playing 18 minute but in those 18min, he's playing a 100% or playong like 21 min but having a little less energe and playing 21 min at 90%... What is really the best? personally i choose 18 min at 100%.

Pacioretty playing high intensity but only during 13 min but playing 20, he would never play with the same intensity.

It's okay watching ice time but not every player are able to deal with the same way and maybe raising his ice time of 2-3, you will bring back the Nylander who's taking shift off in the defensive end because he don't have the energy left to play the same way. So t's working right now and we got the best Nylander version ever, why we should want to change something when they're a high risk than that just making him worst at the end and it's not the rwsult anyone want here

same in D the fact leafs had 3 great pair so everytime they step on the ixe, they are fresh and can gave their 100%

Balance is the key, find the zone where the player sre confortable in

Doesn't mean it won't either. You know he led all forwards in ice time against Ottawa in game 6 right? Two goals and an assist he had in that one, sorry but I'm not quite buying the argument that he needs to play less to be effective.

 

[Brown Dog]

I'd like to see Matthews score more goals but it's not for lack of trying. Many chances and he leads the team in shots. Marner has 10 points in 8 games and Matthews has 8 points in 8 games. Not sure what people were expecting but these are very decent numbers. And they're both doing it in a defensively responsible manner against the other teams' top lines.

Agreed. Would love to see him bury some of the good looks he's had, though!

 

[thusk]

Doesn't mean it won't either. You know he led all forwards in ice time against Ottawa in game 6 right? Two goals and an assist he had in that one, sorry but I'm not quite buying the argument that he needs to play less to be effective.

and his average ice time is at 19:01 and he played 19:07, its just Matthews and marner who played less... What's the point here?!?!?!

 

[Gary Nylund]

and his average ice time is at 19:01 and he played 19:07, its just Matthews and marner who played less... What's the point here?!?!?!

It was a response to your "Play Nylander more doesn't mean that will help the team" comment, I thought that was pretty clear.

Here's another fact: Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Knies are all playing more minutes in the playoffs then they played in the regular season. That makes sense to me, you ride your best players. But why is Nylander playing less? It sure as shit isn't because he's not playing well.

Sorry but I'm not buying your argument that "Play Nylander more doesn't mean that will help the team". Considering how well he's playing, I see no reason whatsoever for him to be the only star forward who's actually playing less in the playoffs.