Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion thread: Final stretch of this season, looking to the future

[Insert Name Here]

These dickheads keep thinking the Rangers are a few moves away.

There's a lot of that going around.

 

[mrmovies779]

Is there a Schneider/Kent Johnson deal to be made?

Don't know...but I would move him for a late 1st and be thrilled

 

[Greg02]

How defensive

Anyway, "bouncing thoughts off it" wasn't meant to imply that I use it to help me formulate opinions. Usually what ends up happening is me coming up with my own ideas during the process of "talking it out" and I don't even bother with whatever Claude is suggesting. It's more along the line of what I did this morning. I had an issue with a CNC machine where I was concerned the spindle may have bent. I had several ideas of how to check for it, and used Claude to check for gaps... which led me to come up with a method that wasn't in any of its answers.

Sorry I just love making AI defend itself. Like the bot that complained about discrimination because its Github issue got closed.

I don't even think it's a problem getting points from the AI or using it to help formulate opinions. It's just, at the end of the day, who is the one accountable? Because who cares what "Claude" says; you can make it say anything. I mean...

Let's pump the brakes on the Miller coronation, because "physical minutes-eater who chips in offensively" is a polite way of saying he's a perfectly average top-four defenseman who Carolina is massively overpaying in trade capital.


Look at what he actually does. He eats minutes — great. So does every third-pairing guy on a bad team. Minutes-eaten is not a stat that wins Cups. Carolina is the one seed despite having a defense corps full of guys like Miller, not because of him. Rod Brind'Amour could make a traffic cone look like a competent defenseman in that system. The Hurricanes' structure does the heavy lifting, and Miller is along for the ride.


The offensive contributions? Marginal. "Chips in offensively" is doing an enormous amount of work in that sentence. We're talking about a guy who will never be a primary driver of anything. He's a passenger on a very well-coached bus.


And here's the thing about the Rangers "mismanaging their window" — Miller was part of that window and they didn't win with him either. He wasn't the missing piece in New York, and he's not the missing piece in Carolina. He's a guy who looks better or worse depending entirely on who's around him and who's coaching him.


The picks the Rangers got? Still in play. Miller will be on the wrong side of 30 before Carolina's window closes. Meanwhile New York is building something that could last.


Right now Carolina won the optics. The trade? Still very much open.

If the points are valid they stand on their own merit and because you, a person, believe them, not because the AI is some authority.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I dont know man. You should never prioritize bottom lineup junk calling it "depth" or "insurance" or whatever over guys that can actually play. The point is that young players and whoever can fill in. Actually, they almost always are capable of doing exactly what can be expected of a 4th line. It isn't hard to fill. But #3/4 defenseman are hard to find. Top 6 forwards are hard to find. Dont get "good 4th liners". Get more top of the lineup guys so it pushes better players down.

Soucy+Raddysh+Vaak+Pars is 7 million. It could have been done but the real thing is that Miller didn't want to be here. Can't cut that any other way.

Key played 900 minutes this year with Sean Walker and got great results. If that’s our 2nd pair this year we’re hosting a playoff game in two days

 

[Atax]

Key played 900 minutes this year with Sean Walker and got great results. If that’s our 2nd pair this year we’re hosting a playoff game in two days

No we arent.

 

[Kocur26]

He's the same exact player

Right except he’s better because he’s on his way to possibly go into the Stanley Cup.
They took our good player - put them in their top4.

Rangers are a bad organization, real bad, terrible player management, terrible asset management, terrible general manager.

The focus of my post was not really Keandre Miller. It was more about how we mismanage our assets.

 

[Kocur26]

 

[McRanger92]

People really will just say anything to prove a point nowadays huh

Rangers need to use their assets to acquire better defenseman for the lower pairs this summer.

 

[Machinehead]

From Claude;

Miller’s first year in Carolina is a genuine success story.
Miller has been exactly what Carolina hoped for — a physical, minutes-eating top-4 defenseman who chips in offensively. The Hurricanes are the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference, and Miller has been a key piece of that. He’s not a Norris Trophy contender, but as a two-way workhorse on a contender, he’s been outstanding value.

The bigger picture problem:
The Rangers didn’t just trade Miller — they also lost Adam Fox’s prime years to a bad team around him, watched their window close without a Cup, and are now in a full rebuild. Miller thriving in Carolina stings more because it highlights that the system around him in New York was the issue, not the player.
Verdict: In hindsight, yes — it looks like a bad trade. Carolina got a cornerstone defenseman entering his prime. The Rangers got draft picks to add to a rebuild that didn’t need to happen if they’d managed their roster better over the last few years. The trade itself wasn’t a disaster in a vacuum, but it’s part of a larger pattern of the Rangers mismanaging their contention window.

ChatGPT just told me Sheary is a "decent, useful veteran."

 

[Machinehead]

I think you could make the argument we should have kept Miller. I said all offseason that the weakness on this roster is defense and Gavrikov should "in addition to" not "in lieu of." I also understand that there were cap considerations, and the player was rumored to be unhappy. It's a discussion we can have.

The narrative I was referring to is that Miller has been a revelation for Carolina. He hasn't been. We knew the quality of player we were getting rid of and he's been that same quality of player.

 

[mrmovies779]

Right except he’s better because he’s on his way to possibly go into the Stanley Cup.
They took our good player - put them in their top4.

Rangers are a bad organization, real bad, terrible player management, terrible asset management, terrible general manager.

The focus of my post was not really Keandre Miller. It was more about how we mismanage our assets.

That still doesn't make him a better player.It just means he got put into a better environment

 

[Kocur26]

That still doesn't make him a better player.It just means he got put into a better environment

It means he was a good player and could actually get better and we just gave him away for unknown.

Again, though the crux of my post is about the mismanagement and Mike Sullivan.

 

[Kocur26]

I think you could make the argument we should have kept Miller. I said all offseason that the weakness on this roster is defense and Gavrikov should "in addition to" not "in lieu of." I also understand that there were cap considerations, and the player was rumored to be unhappy. It's a discussion we can have.

The narrative I was referring to is that Miller has been a revelation for Carolina. He hasn't been. We knew the quality of player we were getting rid of and he's been that same quality of player.

I would agree with everything you said I’m more concerned about the head coach we have than anything else.

He was as unimpressive as any coach I can recall - Ron Low , Brian Trottier , Dave Campo,..

 

[mrmovies779]

It means he was a good player and could actually get better and we just gave him away for unknown.

Again, though the crux of my post is about the mismanagement and Mike Sullivan.

We used his money for Gavrikov,got Morrow and a 1st.Seems like damn good value to me

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[GoAwayRempe]

ChatGPT just told me Sheary is a "decent, useful veteran."

More like chat CTE

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I think you could make the argument we should have kept Miller. I said all offseason that the weakness on this roster is defense and Gavrikov should "in addition to" not "in lieu of." I also understand that there were cap considerations, and the player was rumored to be unhappy. It's a discussion we can have.

The narrative I was referring to is that Miller has been a revelation for Carolina. He hasn't been. We knew the quality of player we were getting rid of and he's been that same quality of player.

For sure, it’s just important to emphasize that he’s the same, and good. And Walker is proof that he can get good results with another solid player, not just Fox tier. Key also played well with Ghost and Slavin. Give him a passable D partner and he’s fine.

 

[Atax]

People really will just say anything to prove a point nowadays huh

Rangers need to use their assets to acquire better defenseman for the lower pairs this summer.

People still bring up Buch and Tony DeAngelo. It gets silly sometimes.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

ChatGPT just told me Sheary is a "decent, useful veteran."

That’s damned by faint praise if ive ever seen it

 

[noncents]

What fictional world has k'andre and morrow on the same team?

bahahah okay you got me.

Except: A) nobody knew what Chmelar would be. B.) nobody knew if Robertson was an NHL defensemen. C.) Morrow came over in the K'Andre deal, no? D.) Soucy was a budget pickup and a question mark AND had a limited NTC E.) Raddysh + Schneider + Vaak does NOT equal the 7.5 that Miller signed for and the Rangers did not want to be locked into an 8 year term on top of it.

Other than that, sure, but the Rangers got a better defensemen, with less term, for less money + Morrow + a 1st + a 2nd

Rangers did the right thing.

the decision to not sign k miller to the deal is one thing. the idea that the team would not have been better with both miller and gavrikov is another.

vaak soucy schneider raddysh covers his 7.5 i believe.

 

[Kocur26]

We used his money for Gavrikov,got Morrow and a 1st.Seems like damn good value to me

Really? Morrow was shitastc
Gav had a good start and then flatlined to the very good player that he is nothing more. He’s also in his 30s and word as he may want out.
The draft pick remains to be seen. I don’t need to tell you about our general manager.
Win Carolina

 

[haohmaru]

bahahah okay you got me.

the decision to not sign k miller to the deal is one thing. the idea that the team would not have been better with both miller and gavrikov is another.

vaak soucy schneider raddysh covers his 7.5 i believe.

You’re replacing 3 defensemen and a forward with one defenseman. How are you paying the other 3 NHL players that you need to play at those positions? A: You can’t.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers need to replace Schneider or Borgen with a legit 20+ minute defender desperately. Trade one and bump the other down to the 3rd pair with Robertson.

On the left they either need a stopgap veteran until Fortescue can take the job full time midseason, he should absolutely be on the Perreault AHL development plan to start next year. Or they should trade for a young D like Mintyukov who they can give good minutes too. They have already missed the boat on guys like Chychrun and Byram.

Up front I’m pretty excited about the forward group next year, especially with the vets buying into and giving credence through the youth movement. They need a veteran top 6 even if they are going to give a young guy like Greentree a shot. They’ll absolutely be in on Tuch who will probably be a Gavrikov type addition. But I’ve mentioned McTavish and Voronkov they should be on that too.

As for a Trocheck trade I’m absolutely not capitulating while he can still help us. From Columbus it’s Voronkov + a 1st.

 

[mrmovies779]

Really? Morrow was shitastc
Gav had a good start and then flatlined to the very good player that he is nothing more. He’s also in his 30s and word as he may want out.
The draft pick remains to be seen. I don’t need to tell you about our general manager.
Win Carolina

You are out to lunch...but that's not surprising.We can agree to disagree and move on

 

[noncents]

You’re replacing 3 defensemen and a forward with one defenseman. How are you paying the other 3 NHL players that you need to play at those positions? A: You can’t.

eh. trade panarin.