Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[SnuggaRUDE]

Point's 3 post draft years:

2014-15
Syracuse Crunch AHL 9g 2-2-4
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 60g 38-49-87
Canada U20 WJC-20 7 2 2 4 6 4 |

2015-16
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 48g 35-53-88
Canada U20 WJC-20 5g 1-4-5

2016-17 Logo of the
Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 68g 18-22-40

Savoie's 2 post-draft years:

2022-23
Winnipeg Ice WHL 62g 38-57-95 | PLAYOFFS 19g 11-18-29

2023-24
Rochester Americans AHL 6g 2-3-5
Wenatchee Wild WHL 11g 11-13-24
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 23g 19-28-47 | PLAYOFFS 2g 2-1-3
Canada U20 WJC-20 4g 0-1-1

Savoie almost made the team out of camp, but got hurt. He didn't get sent down because he wasn't ready, but because he didn't really have a great spot of the Sabres for development. He'll be on the roster next season.

Agree with your premise and conclusions. Savoie will play in Buffalo next season even if he starts in Rochester.

It's worth recommending caution in that WHL mid 10's scoring was down about 10% from where it is today. Both Point and Savoie topped the Dub in ppg as D+2 and were 6th D+1... eerie..

 

[DeletedUser539]

JEE

'24 1st unprotected
Kulich
Krebs
Joki

That is a trade that hurts but it works just have to look for another rhd because at this point I'm questioning if Sammy will be able to play more than 50 games at 100% he helps alot and makes a huge difference when he is on his A game but when he gets banged up misses time and also is visually playing while recovering and still hurt is a problem when you rely on this guy as the glue in the d-core so if we trade Joker we need to pick up another d man preferably right handed during FA our d-core could look like this
Byram-dahlin
Power-xxx
Sammy-clifton
Bryson
Ryjo

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Interesting list. Clearly some will not be available at all, one may never play again in Chytil, two have other injury issues in Norris and Laine, and two were just acquired in Newhook and Sharongoalvich (who has also done most of his damage on the wing). That brings it down to

Pinto - on a cheap deal, probably better value for the Sens than Norris who they would probably rather part with if they part with one.
Norris - bad shoulders and a high price tag. Buyer beware.
Geekie - a journeyman who found a home in the holes in the Bruins roster.
Frost - someone who was on the outs with the coach and may have been available a year ago.

Of them all in your list, Frost seems like the intersection of talent/production, age, and maybe availability. Now, would the Flyers do it or no? I would lean toward no.

Appreciate the effort in pulling the charts.

Exactly, that's kinda my point. The pool of players in the NHL isn't fungible. "Go get a young 2C" sounds great on the whiner line but falls a bit short in reality.

Frost and Geekie are the most realistically available options, and I don't see them as available given their team control and excellent contracts.

Pinto would be a good get, he's a big lad and very young. He'll start next season at 23. I'd be shocked if Ottawa traded him. Interestingly I think he's an OS target. Keep him away from smart phones.

I do like Frost, gets sheltered deployment. Kinda feeds into the Short King problem they have here.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

That is a trade that hurts but it works just have to look for another rhd because at this point I'm questioning if Sammy will be able to play more than 50 games at 100% he helps alot and makes a huge difference when he is on his A game but when he gets banged up misses time and also is visually playing while recovering and still hurt is a problem when you rely on this guy as the glue in the d-core so if we trade Joker we need to pick up another d man preferably right handed during FA our d-core could look like this
Byram-dahlin
Power-xxx
Sammy-clifton
Bryson
Ryjo

There's no way Minnesota would make that trade. JEE would instantly become Buffalo's best possession forward, best contract, and possibly 2nd best player.

A futures trade for him would sting.

At the draft: 2024 1st & Benson or Savoie & Kulich or Ostlund

 

[Matt Ress]

I don't think you're coming off in anyway as a jerk. Nothing wrong with disagreeing.

I'm usually bad at this part of the whole who can be sent where contracts/restrictions, but I think Matt was looking at WHL or Sabres BECAUSE he couldn't be sent to the AHL (Please those with more knowledge correct me if I'm wrong). I think Benson showed a more readiness for the NHL game than Matt, and I still wanted Benson to still be in the juniors because I felt he wasn't playing at a level that should've kept him here (IMO).

I do think that there is an internal budget at hand, BECAUSE the rest of the organization that doesn't have limitations on what you can spend/invest into it, is handled with financial constraints it seems.

That's not to say that they won't make moves, but they will probably will not want to make decisions that have far reaching impacts, for example, like having any "dead" money on their books, like buying out Skinner in 2025 season. It's probably why they go for easily movable contracts, or contracts that don't have much restrictions to them (See NTC, or NMC contracts). I also think they are of the mindset of being as competitive as possible for as financially conservative as possible. I don't think that they will push to the cap, even at their highest competitive level.

That all makes sense

 

[TehDoak]

My current template for the "proper" build this summer:

1) Move Skinner out. Either find a trade or buyout. I'm assuming buyout is the probably the only viable route
2) Keep Levi in Rochester next year and sign a competent backup
3) UPL gets a 4-5 year deal. (marked at 5M per for ease of planning, could be less)
4) Joker likely moved out for picks

Gives us a skeleton of:

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
XXXXX- Cozens-Quinn
Benson-XXXXX-XXXX
Greenway-Krebs-XXXX

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Samuelsson
Johnson-Clifton

UPL
XXXX

Gives you around 25M in cap space and enough roster space to both graduate players and bring in from the outside.

My only real possible change is to keep Joker and ship out Samuelsson, or ship them both out and add a better RH partner for Power.

My priorities in term of resource usage are C3 (the elusive 2 way C) LW2- Decent two way acumen here

Both RW3 and RW4 should be either internal graduation or a mid/low range veteran UFA.

 

[Tatanka]

Fla has some cap issues to navigate I wonder if Bennet might be available. They also have no picks to speak of.

 

[Matt Ress]

And? We had all of training camp and preseason to go. I think it's quite a leap to project he was going to secure a spot.

Eh maybe just personal opinion. I thought he had a good chance of making the squad out of camp this season and feel even better about it this upcoming camp. None of it is a guarantee though as we all know.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

My current template for the "proper" build this summer:

1) Move Skinner out. Either find a trade or buyout. I'm assuming buyout is the probably the only viable route
2) Keep Levi in Rochester next year and sign a competent backup
3) UPL gets a 4-5 year deal. (marked at 5M per for ease of planning, could be less)
4) Joker likely moved out for picks

Gives us a skeleton of:

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
XXXXX- Cozens-Quinn
Benson-XXXXX-XXXX
Greenway-Krebs-XXXX

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Samuelsson
Johnson-Clifton

UPL
XXXX

Gives you around 25M in cap space and enough roster space to both graduate players and bring in from the outside.

My only real possible change is to keep Joker and ship out Samuelsson, or ship them both out and add a better RH partner for Power.

My priorities in term of resource usage are C3 (the elusive 2 way C) LW2- Decent two way acumen here

Both RW3 and RW4 should be either internal graduation or a mid/low range veteran UFA.

Fantasies are nice, but Skinner isn't being bought out, and Levi is 100% going to be on the Sabres next year. You can't possibly be following Pegula this long and think either of those are anything but a foregone conclusion. 100% of the media has basically said as much too.

I also think Joki gets moved for a younger, const-controlled player like Mitts was, instead of picks. Or maybe part of a bigger package to get that C3 or LW2 you mentioned.

Fla has some cap issues to navigate I wonder if Bennet might be available. They also have no picks to speak of.

I was wondering the same thing, but I have a feeling everyone is just going to take a huge discount to make sure they all fit.

 

[Beerz]

Point's 3 post draft years:

2014-15
Syracuse Crunch AHL 9g 2-2-4
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 60g 38-49-87
Canada U20 WJC-20 7 2 2 4 6 4 |

2015-16
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 48g 35-53-88
Canada U20 WJC-20 5g 1-4-5

2016-17 Logo of the
Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 68g 18-22-40

Savoie's 2 post-draft years:

2022-23
Winnipeg Ice WHL 62g 38-57-95 | PLAYOFFS 19g 11-18-29

2023-24
Rochester Americans AHL 6g 2-3-5
Wenatchee Wild WHL 11g 11-13-24
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 23g 19-28-47 | PLAYOFFS 2g 2-1-3
Canada U20 WJC-20 4g 0-1-1

Savoie almost made the team out of camp, but got hurt. He didn't get sent down because he wasn't ready, but because he didn't really have a great spot of the Sabres for development. He'll be on the roster next season.

We don't know if he was ready or not is my point. We have zero knowledge of where he is at... and we won't until we see him against NHL competition

 

[toddkaz]

I would like to trade the 1st round pick ++ for a Center++

My current template for the "proper" build this summer:

1) Move Skinner out. Either find a trade or buyout. I'm assuming buyout is the probably the only viable route
2) Keep Levi in Rochester next year and sign a competent backup
3) UPL gets a 4-5 year deal. (marked at 5M per for ease of planning, could be less)
4) Joker likely moved out for picks

Gives us a skeleton of:

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
XXXXX- Cozens-Quinn
Benson-XXXXX-XXXX
Greenway-Krebs-XXXX

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Samuelsson
Johnson-Clifton

UPL
XXXX

Gives you around 25M in cap space and enough roster space to both graduate players and bring in from the outside.

My only real possible change is to keep Joker and ship out Samuelsson, or ship them both out and add a better RH partner for Power.

My priorities in term of resource usage are C3 (the elusive 2 way C) LW2- Decent two way acumen here

Both RW3 and RW4 should be either internal graduation or a mid/low range veteran UFA.

Yup, Buffalo needs to find a 2C/3C

Its up to Adams to find one

 

[RefsIdeas]

I would like to trade the 1st round pick ++ for a Center++

Yup, Buffalo needs to find a 2C/3C

Its up to Adams to find one

During Adams’ interview with STH’s he said he’s looking for a “top 9 forward” and/or a “4th line center” in the offseason.

Getting a 2C doesnt seem likely. He’s setting the bar low already.

 

[TehDoak]

Point's 3 post draft years:

2014-15
Syracuse Crunch AHL 9g 2-2-4
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 60g 38-49-87
Canada U20 WJC-20 7 2 2 4 6 4 |

2015-16
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 48g 35-53-88
Canada U20 WJC-20 5g 1-4-5

2016-17 Logo of the
Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 68g 18-22-40

Savoie's 2 post-draft years:

2022-23
Winnipeg Ice WHL 62g 38-57-95 | PLAYOFFS 19g 11-18-29

2023-24
Rochester Americans AHL 6g 2-3-5
Wenatchee Wild WHL 11g 11-13-24
Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 23g 19-28-47 | PLAYOFFS 2g 2-1-3
Canada U20 WJC-20 4g 0-1-1

Savoie almost made the team out of camp, but got hurt. He didn't get sent down because he wasn't ready, but because he didn't really have a great spot of the Sabres for development. He'll be on the roster next season.

Let's default to assuming players need AHL time.

I have high hopes for Savoie.

We need some experience down the middle and in the forward group, not less.

 

[The Blunder Years]

Fair points. Are you more bullish on Rosen or Kulich? I guess sinse Kulich is a possible center I'd rather he stick around as than Rosen. I think one of Quinn/Peterka/Benson/Savoie/Kulich has to go in order for Rosen to get a shot on the roster.

With Turcotte, he is a true center with talent, not overlooking his flaws. He's got a better head on his shoulders than Krebs, even with all the concussions.

I dont see any real-mccoys out there for the ideal 4Cs. Like Jack McBain. Why would Arizona trade him?

I think Kulich is a top notch prospect. Saw him live last week and he’s so good with the puck. His shot is elite, but he can wheel around the ice, make guys look silly, and dish the puck. Rosen is a Porsche. He has all the same offensive tools Kulich does but plays smooth. It seems like they’ve found some nice chemistry together. I hope it’s something that can translate to the NHL. Gun to my head, I think I’m bullish on Kulich because he just seems to always make a play.

There are some free agents I think would be good fits. Blueger, Lafferty, and Trenin to name a few. All play with pace and bite.

 

[TommyDangles]

The Adams needs to target a "young top 6 C" or go after a "young top 4 defender" is pointless if you're not going to mention what specific players he should go after.

 

[zenthusiast]

Any meaningful acquisition in the trade market will likely be developed through insider knowledge that we aren't party to. We can make educated guesses but sometimes there's an avenue that we have no sense of.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

The Adams needs to target a "young top 6 C" or go after a "young top 4 defender" is pointless if you're not going to mention what specific players he should go after.

Chinese-Mexican prospect Yung Si, obviously

 

[The Blunder Years]

Quinn looked dangerous tonight. Excited to see what he can do with a healthy season.

 

[DeletedUser539]

Quinn looked dangerous tonight. Excited to see what he can do with a healthy season.

The puck seems to find him and he looks great at getting to shooting lanes with the puck is able to get to the inside with relative ease

 

[joshjull]

Fantasies are nice, but Skinner isn't being bought out, and Levi is 100% going to be on the Sabres next year. You can't possibly be following Pegula this long and think either of those are anything but a foregone conclusion. 100% of the media has basically said as much too.

I also think Joki gets moved for a younger, const-controlled player like Mitts was, instead of picks. Or maybe part of a bigger package to get that C3 or LW2 you mentioned.


I was wondering the same thing, but I have a feeling everyone is just going to take a huge discount to make sure they all fit.

The Mitts trade was a hockey trade. Trading for a cost controlled player implies multiple years left on their deal. Thats where the cost control comes from. Byram only has 1yr left. When his deal expires he will be arbitration eligible and have only 2 RFA years left. He will have a lot of leverage and his next deal will likely cost more than Mitts would have.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Quinn looked dangerous tonight. Excited to see what he can do with a healthy season.

He's always been the highest potential offensive player out of their young players until Benson arrived, imo.

Peterka has been a step behind development wise since they started in the AHL + Quinn's two-way game is more well-rounded, and he MAY have a bit of rat to his game that may develop more in time. Wicked shot, slick hands, not Peterka fast but his edgework is second to none (except Dahlin), and he can do things at full speed that others typically struggle with. If healthy, I think he'll be our second best forward behind Benson in a few years. His AHL season was a rarity for a player his age. Please, hockey gods, let this kid have a healthy career!

 

[MOGlLNY]

I mean Peterka blowing the hell up and having a season offensively we expected from Quinn is huge. We just have to really help Jack can stay healthy and take the step we expected from him this year.

 

[Beerz]

 

[Der Jaeger]

I liked Quinn and Benson as wingers with either Cozens or Thompson in between. The Thompson goal was a high IQ play by the wingers.

 

[Selanne00008]

Sabres are:

19-19-1 home
17-16-4 away
Combined 36-35-5
5-5 in their last 10
A season long goal differential of: 0
2-1 in shootouts

Talk. About. Mediocrity.