Roster Speculation 2015-16 Pt. III

[joshjull]

There is nothing to say that Grigorenko couldn't be the extra forward either ... moving in and out of the line up

Very true and I'm not arguing otherwise. I've just laid out the reason its likely he gets included in a trade package.

Too many take that to mean I think he is going to be traded just to be traded. I don't think that will happen. I just think, for the reasons given, he is more likely than most to be included in a trade package. Its not a knock on Grigs that he is in this situation. its more about the incredible amount of young talent we have.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

What? any team we would trade him to would have very young NHL centers that are all better than him? You know thats not remotely true, right?



You mean the same Bylsma that went out of his way to mention Larsson in a recent interview. He brought him up and talked about coaches talking about how tough Larsson is to play against.

Reinhart may not be a lock but Eichel, Girgs and Larsson are. I don't see Grigs centering the 4th line.




Obviously big picture is not something you are thinking about. On the 4th line Grigs does not belong but McCormick does.

No. I'm talking about his waiver status that would require him to be kept in the NHL. Moving him doesn't change that.

McCormick can't even stay healthy. Talk about not getting the big picture.

I get it. You think he'll be gone and I think he'll be in camp battling for a roster spot.

We'll see.

 

[Beerz]

Very true and I'm not arguing otherwise. I've just laid out the reason its likely he gets included in a trade package.

Too many take that to mean I think he is going to be traded just to be traded. I don't think that will happen. I just think, for the reasons given, he is more likely than most to be included in a trade package. Its not a knock on Grigs that he is in this situation. its more about the incredible amount of young talent we have.

I could see him being traded. I just don't see it as likely.

In fact.. I could see Larsson being the most likely to be traded if anyone is.

 

[Matt Ress]

Right now, Grig is a younger (not much), cheaper (very much) version of Hogson. But, with something to prove and seemingly more rounded upside. Their value is probably pretty similar (next to nothing) but the point of not having room in the lineup, I think, is bunk. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be traded but the timing would be pretty short sighted.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Right now, Grig is a younger (not much), cheaper (very much) version of Hogson. But, with something to prove and seemingly more rounded upside. Their value is probably pretty similar (next to nothing) but the point of not having room in the lineup, I think, is bunk. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be traded but the timing would be pretty short sighted.

Where to begin... Grigs is not younger by "not much". He's 4 1/2 years younger then Hodgson. That's like saying Matt Moulson isn't that much younger then Tyler Ennis.

And Grigs value is "next to nothing"? Wrong. Sorry, a 12th overall pick who is 21 and just had a great rookie AHL season is very valuable.

 

[joshjull]

No. I'm talking about his waiver status that would require him to be kept in the NHL. Moving him doesn't change that.

True

McCormick can't even stay healthy. Talk about not getting the big picture.

McCormick or someone like him will be on the 4th line not Grigs was the point.

I get it. You think he'll be gone and I think he'll be in camp battling for a roster spot.

We'll see.

This started with you saying Byslma comments means Grigs might have a better chance to stick around. My point was it changes nothing because he is just articulating the same plan Murray has had for some time. Grigs situation is the same now as it was at the end of the season. That doesn't mean I think he is gone. It means I think his chances of getting traded are the same now as they were at the end of the season.

 

[Moskau]

Murray will make the one big trade we all expect but I don't expect him to get nearly as crazy about shaping the roster this off-season as some people are saying (hoping).

I imagine we add one player via trade, one roster player via free agency, one player similar to Strachan who should split AHL/NHL time, and the rest of the roster will largely be the same except with Eichel and Kane. Our call ups also wont be Zac Dalpe caliber players this season and they'll have line mates they can succeed with.

I expect the season to be largely developmental but the team should look like an actual NHL team just one that is very young. I just don't foresee trading major assets to acquire both a 22-25 year old player as well as turning around and trading major assets to acquire another 28-30 year old player. Not this season at least.

 

[joshjull]

I could see him being traded. I just don't see it as likely.

In fact.. I could see Larsson being the most likely to be traded if anyone is.

Curious what your rationale for that is?

 

[Matt Ress]

Where to begin... Grigs is not younger by "not much". He's 4 1/2 years younger then Hodgson. That's like saying Matt Moulson isn't that much younger then Tyler Ennis.

And Grigs value is "next to nothing"? Wrong. Sorry, a 12th overall pick who is 21 and just had a great rookie AHL season is very valuable.

You're right, I should've looked up their ages. I still don't think his value is far off from Hogson and my actual points still stand.

 

[Jame]

Curious what your rationale for that is?

There is none

 

[Beerz]

Curious what your rationale for that is?

More established. I would think he would be a more attractive option to a greater number of teams than Grigorenko would be at this time. At the same time Grigorenko has more upside and we're in position to be patient with his development.

 

[TehDoak]

Thought: Grigerenko for Shaw and Raanta

 

[Vito_81]

More established. I would think he would be a more attractive option to a greater number of teams than Grigorenko would be at this time. At the same time Grigorenko has more upside and we're in position to be patient with his development.

My thoughts as well.

A potential deal involving a pick and Larsson could perhaps fetch Murray more than Grigorenko and the same pick.

Not saying Larsson's a guy that should be or needs to be moved.

It'll be an interesting next few months. Murray has a full arsenal of pieces he can move.

Personally, I hope both Grigorenko and Larsson are here come October.

 

[Beerz]

My thoughts as well.

A potential deal involving a pick and Larsson could perhaps fetch Murray more than Grigorenko and the same pick.

Not saying Larsson's a guy that should be or needs to be moved.

It'll be an interesting next few months. Murray has a full arsenal of pieces he can move.

Personally, I hope both Grigorenko and Larsson are here come October.

I prefer them both here as well.

My hope is Hodgson is bought out or a miracle happens and he is traded.

 

[Jacob582]

I imagine we add one player via trade, one roster player via free agency

Please tell me at least one of these will be for a goalie.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Please tell me at least one of these will be for a goalie.

It has to be with Chad Johnson as the only NHL goalie on the current roster.

 

[Vito_81]

I prefer them both here as well.

My hope is Hodgson is bought out or a miracle happens and he is traded.

I want to see Hodgson given a chance to rebound this season. He has a lot more to offer than what we saw last season. If I'm wrong, it won't take long to see that and he can be on waivers come Dec 1.


Kane-Girgensons-Eichel
Moulson-X-Ennis
Gionta-Grigorenko-Hodgson
Foligno-Larsson-Deslauriers
X-McCormick, Kaleta

Reinhart starts in the AHL. Let him get big minutes vs men. No need to rush him up just yet.

Still leaves a spot for Murray to add a top 6 F like a ROR. If he doesn't aquire one, Larsson can bumped up to 2nd line C. Larsson on the 4th line only on paper, I see those bottom two lines as 3A, 3B getting the same amount of ice.

 

[Vito_81]

It has to be with Chad Johnson as the only NHL goalie on the current roster.

My hope is Johnson's in the AHL or traded.

I'd like Lindback given the back-up job.

 

[stokes84]

Bylsma talked about how well regarded Larsson is around the league. I think he could fetch a nice return, if you choose to go that route. His play at the end of the year was outstanding, totally changed my opinion of him. Wasn't sure if he had the wheels or the brain to make it, but he's going to be a good player.

That said, I am talking Larsson for Theodore on the trade board, unsurprisingly, most people are still in the dark on him. I doubt that NHL executives are though.

 

[Zman5778]

My hope is Johnson's in the AHL or traded.

Why? With Phoenix and Boston, he certainly looked capable of performing as at least a solid backup, if not a 1B-type.

Yes, he kind of regressed on the Island for the first part of the year, but showed signs of a rebound before getting injured.

He's already on the roster and isn't hurting our cap. I'd like to see what he can do before casting him aside so quickly

 

[joshjull]

I want to see Hodgson given a chance to rebound this season. He has a lot more to offer than what we saw last season. If I'm wrong, it won't take long to see that and he can be on waivers come Dec 1.


Kane-Girgensons-Eichel
Moulson-X-Ennis
Gionta-Grigorenko-Hodgson
Foligno-Larsson-Deslauriers
X-McCormick, Kaleta

Reinhart starts in the AHL. Let him get big minutes vs men. No need to rush him up just yet.

Still leaves a spot for Murray to add a top 6 F like a ROR. If he doesn't aquire one, Larsson can bumped up to 2nd line C. Larsson on the 4th line only on paper, I see those bottom two lines as 3A, 3B getting the same amount of ice.

Your idea of helping Hodgson get back on track is putting him with a kid still trying to establish he can handle the NHL? Thats not going to do much for either player.

It would make far more sense to put Hodgson with Larsson (if picking between Grigs and Larsson). He is better than Grigs in every aspect of the game. For some odd reason you put Larsson on a grind it out line.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Your idea of helping Hodgson get back on track is putting him with a kid still trying to establish he can handle the NHL? Thats not going to do much for either player.

It would make far more sense to put Hodgson with Larsson (or Grigs and Larsson). He is better than Grigs in every aspect of the game. For some odd reason you put Larsson on a grind it out line.

Quite an overstatement. Better hands? Nope. Better passer? Nope. Better shot? Nope. Better offensive creativity? Nope? Better in the faceoff circle? Nope!

 

[Puppa2Miller]

NY Post article on possible NYR trades: Nash, Klein, Boyle, and Talbot

"It is unlikely that Edmonton or Buffalo, two teams with a pair of first-round picks in the upcoming draft that are seeking a goaltender, would be willing to yield one for Cam Talbot. Unless the Blueshirts can get that sort of a premium in return for their backup, they are far better served by keeping him rather than dealing him, even if he is heading into the final year of his contract."

NY Post article

 

[joshjull]

Quite an overstatement. Better hands? Nope. Better passer? Nope. Better shot? Nope. Better offensive creativity? Nope? Better in the faceoff circle? Nope!

Larsson in the NHL is better offensively and defensively (not even close) and plays with and nasty edge. Or am I wrong? What Grigs might become down the line is not what he is now. Putting him with Hodgson next season in the hope it gets Hodgson going would be daft and frankly unfair to Grigs (and Hodgson for that matter).

 

[Jame]

Bylsma talked about how well regarded Larsson is around the league. I think he could fetch a nice return, if you choose to go that route. His play at the end of the year was outstanding, totally changed my opinion of him. Wasn't sure if he had the wheels or the brain to make it, but he's going to be a good player.

That said, I am talking Larsson for Theodore on the trade board, unsurprisingly, most people are still in the dark on him. I doubt that NHL executives are though.

I'm not trading 23 yr old pros who IMO are locks for NHL roles for 20 year old prospects

Grigorenko for Theodore? All day. Shifting prospect strength to fill prospect weakness

Larsson for Theodore? Pass.