Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Chockey22]

In the new cap world I would go max $7M per on Romanov (The new $5M) and $9M (The new $7M) on Dobson

7million for a Dman who hasn’t cracked 25 points in a season? Anything above 4.5 is an overpay, above 5.5 is poor GMing in my view.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I’ve been wondering this all weekend. Why theorize on what Darche is going to do until you get data/info on what he may do (or not). Eg, let’s hear from him first.

 

[boredmale]

I’ve been wondering this all weekend. Why theorize on what Darche is going to do until you get data/info on what he may do (or not). Eg, let’s hear from him first.

Because this is a message board and what else will we talk about

 

[Isles72]

Have to think Darche is going to have way more roadblocks than he did in Tampa, as he's got income tax and a destination not coveted by players. He's not going to have nearly the leverage that his ex-franchise had. So many people knock Lou, and it is warranted, but let's not forget your options are way more limited as a GM for the Isles than they would be a GM for the Lightning.

I'm not expecting much aside from getting the key RFA'S signed then seeing where he's at .

might be a full year of evaluating while adding a bit to his staff

 

[Taswell]

Have to think Darche is going to have way more roadblocks than he did in Tampa, as he's got income tax and a destination not coveted by players. He's not going to have nearly the leverage that his ex-franchise had. So many people knock Lou, and it is warranted, but let's not forget your options are way more limited as a GM for the Isles than they would be a GM for the Lightning.

Not to mention half the team having some form of trade protection, thanks Lou!

If Darche is smart, and all indications are that he is, then he should realize that a return to focus on drafting and building from within is going to be paramount. All the more reason that I’m anxious to see what he does with the tire fire in Bridgeport.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Not to mention half the team having some form of trade protection, thanks Lou!

If Darche is smart, and all indications are that he is, then he should realize that a return to focus on drafting and building from within is going to be paramount. All the more reason that I’m anxious to see what he does with the tire fire in Bridgeport.

There are some easy moves he can do to put his stamp on the team...

1. New BPT everything. Period. The Crunch have always been pretty good so I'm sure he understands the issue with having a historically bad AHL team. Axe Chris L. Axe Kowalsky. Bring in your guy, whoever it might be to coach the AHL. Will Boucher do it? Someone else?

2. New Team Captain. They had no problem letting Stamkos go. Might as well see if you can deal Lee off of a 30ish goal season. Who is the new captain? No rush to name one, IMO. Horvat would be the front runner, but he's injured and if healthy he's potentially trade bait for a younger player. We also have a #1 overall on the way. Put an A on a few players for a season or two.

3. Support Roy. This is maybe less his stamp, and more a common sense thing. Roy was working with Lou's guys. Maybe let the coach decide who he wants to work with? Desrosiers worked out great. Let Roy get a cohesive staff together, which maybe results in 1-2 new hires on the coaching staff in place of Maclean and Albelin. Krupp and Army?

4. More Media Availability/Team Transparency. Seems like this one is already going to happen. Again, the lack of it was more of a Lou thing and this one seems like it's going to fix itself overnight.

5. Move out one more older player. And it makes more of a statement if you have to pay to do it, so I don't think anyone is safe. Realistically we have like 10 NHL level defensemen available to us right now. At least one of the older guys needs to go.

I would prefer to keep Pelech because I think he partners really well with Dobson, and we have an NHL cusp guy in George who can fill in when he misses his 20 games. Mayfield sucks, but he's physical and cheap enough - there's a reason teams are searching for guys like him every year at the deadline.

So for me the guy that you try and move out first is Pulock. Although he's probably a good first partner for Schaefer when he enters the league, I think Mayfield could be fine as well. Pulock does have an NMC, so you're not getting any value for him if he's moved.

Would he be willing to go to STL for the Krug contract? A move like that would be similar to when TB moved out Tyler Johnson for the Seabrook contract. Clearing him and Lee would also give us 13M to play with....

 

[norwegianislander]

Kyle Palmieri: What We Knew Then; What We Know Now

Palms have not signed a contract (Lou forgot to send it ) Wonder what Darche will do here. I hope he is signed, but not for more than two years and a low AAV, please.

 

[MJF]

Kyle Palmieri: What We Knew Then; What We Know Now

Palms have not signed a contract (Lou forgot to send it ) Wonder what Darche will do here. I hope he is signed, but not for more than two years and a low AAV, please.

This reminds me of when Ara Parseghian promised Rudy he could start a game next season and then quit over the summer and new coach Dan Devine wouldn't start him.

 

[Osakahaus]

Palms is definitely a goner lol

 

[Throttle]

Romanov is underrated as a player, he’s being over inflated on his price.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Actually, I want to sign Palms for 2 years and then flip him at the TDL (kinda like something that should have already f***ing happened).

 

[Throttle]

What are the last few recent examples of a player the likes of Marner hit UFA?

Gaudreau in '22
Pietrangelo in '20
Bobrovsky in '19
Panarin in '19
Duchene in '19
Tavares in '18

Now this list hurts to read since the Isles were spurned by a few of them, but how many of the teams do you think are upset with how the signing turned out?
Duchene in Nashville sticks out the most, but they did make the playoffs in every season he was there.
Tavares and Panarin have been good in every season, but they don't have the ultimate prize.
Bob and Petro each have a Cup.
Johnny Hockey is...simply unfathomable, RIP.

I guess my thought process on Marner is that you HAVE to make the pitch. These types of guys don't become available very often, especially at the cost of just a dollar cost vs. dollars + assets.

I would pay Marner - totally fine with that, warts and all.

I would also pay Ekblad - veteran, SC presence, and forcing a Pelech/Pulock trade bc of the signing.

The rest of the UFA class - yikes, paying a waif like Ehlers big money is a predictable disaster.

 

[periferal]

Have to think Darche is going to have way more roadblocks than he did in Tampa, as he's got income tax and a destination not coveted by players. He's not going to have nearly the leverage that his ex-franchise had. So many people knock Lou, and it is warranted, but let's not forget your options are way more limited as a GM for the Isles than they would be a GM for the Lightning.

Cool.

So if things don't go so well in the coming years, make sure you take it easy on Darche.

 

[periferal]

I’ve been wondering this all weekend. Why theorize on what Darche is going to do until you get data/info on what he may do (or not). Eg, let’s hear from him first.

Yup. And...


"Hearing from him" probably means seeing him make a bunch of moves this offseason.

 

[periferal]

Actually, I want to sign Palms for 2 years and then flip him at the TDL (kinda like something that should have already f***ing happened).

Yeah, but a few months ago he probably would've gotten a 2nd +. In two years might be a 3rd.

I'd rather just let him go at this point. I'd like to finally have as much cap space as possible to leverage that in trades with other teams.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I would pay Marner - totally fine with that, warts and all.

I would also pay Ekblad - veteran, SC presence, and forcing a Pelech/Pulock trade bc of the signing.

The rest of the UFA class - yikes, paying a waif like Ehlers big money is a predictable disaster.

In no way would I advocate for Ehlers to be a backup plan to missing out on Marner. If they don't get Marner, so be it, they should not be allocating that money to others in this UFA class.

Ehlers would have been a good signing for NYI in the 2020-2021 range, where the team was super comfortable on defense/goalie, bottom six and was looking for that cherry on top, speed/scoring threat.

When a top 5 talent at their respective position becomes available, you have to be involved.

 

[Arsenalogist24]

1 year deal for Palms take it or leave it. His production dipped with out Nelson. Flip at the deadline if he has another productive year, if it doesn’t work done and dusted end of 2026

 

[periferal]

1 year deal for Palms take it or leave it. His production dipped with out Nelson. Flip at the deadline if he has another productive year, if it doesn’t work done and dusted end of 2026

Teams have more to spend now and at Palm's age they usually want as much term as possible as this is his last shot at a decent contract. Would be shocked if he signs anywhere for one year.

 

[Arsenalogist24]

 

[Strummergas]

If he blocked a trade there, I'm guessing he's not going to want to sign there either.

 

[Osakahaus]

Romanov is underrated as a player, he’s being over inflated on his price.

He's also very overrated by our fanbase because we really should sell a bit higher on him to a team that wants to get better defensive depth.

Hint: Dallas

 

[Abradolf Lincler]

Three years @ $7.5 million AAV?, thank god he forced Lou to trade him

 

[Osakahaus]

I think that ultimately the Colorado deal was better, but I would've loved Barlow or Yager as islander prospects, especially since I kinda wanted the isles to draft Barlow at #20 before Eiserman just fell down the boards

Isles "kinda" lucked out here. Lets hope that Ritchie can break camp this season btw

 

[impaaaaaact]

Three years @ $7.5 million AAV?, thank god he forced Lou to trade him

I think he cost himself least 4M-5M by not taking Lou's contract - could be a lot more. In the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot for him. But it also might end up giving him a huge headache.

I can't see how Guerin sells trading Rossi because he's small and then bringing in a guy who was just a huge 0 in the playoffs unless it's at a much lower AAV - 5M and below maybe. So now if he wants to prioritize the $$$ he could end up signing with some random team, nowhere near either of his homes in Minnesota or Long Island.

 

[Throttle]

He's also very overrated by our fanbase because we really should sell a bit higher on him to a team that wants to get better defensive depth.

Hint: Dallas

I’d keep and pay Romanov, trade Pulock.