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SI said:
I think Marner will move on and be open for business. IMO, that is a mistake - they should move on from Tavares and address other needs on the roster that will make the team more balanced.

The starting price will be 12m per season; it might take 13m per season for a team to lock him up.

  • Could Marner help this franchise? Let's keep this simple - absolutely. You add a player of that skill and production, and it is always, YES, YES, YES.
  • Will his contract be a backbreaker and not allow the team to build the proper pieces around him? When Tavares signed with the Leafs, his contract made up almost 14% of the cap. 13m for Marner would be roughly the same; however, when the cap climbs to 113 in 2 seasons, Marner's contract will make up 11.5 % of the cap.
  • Can they fit his contract under the cap? NO, it will be very difficult for them to fit his contract under the existing cap # 95.5 - Duclair would need to be moved completely, Engvall would need to be bought out, Varlamov LTIR, and Pageau would need to be moved, which I think is a mistake (IMO, you need someone like Pageau to balance a Marner signing). It would take some bold and creative moves to get it all to work.
  • Would he even sign here? If Matt Martin was able to get Marner to entertain coming to the island, it will have to take some magic.
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If he's willing to sign, you sign him and figure out the cap later.

Worst comes to worst, use the Colorado first round pick to dump some contracts. In essence, it would be like trading the pick for Marner....who would say no to that? This teams needs his skill desperately.
 
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SI said:
I think Marner will move on and be open for business. IMO, that is a mistake - they should move on from Tavares and address other needs on the roster that will make the team more balanced.

The starting price will be 12m per season; it might take 13m per season for a team to lock him up.

  • Could Marner help this franchise? Let's keep this simple - absolutely. You add a player of that skill and production, and it is always, YES, YES, YES.
  • Will his contract be a backbreaker and not allow the team to build the proper pieces around him? When Tavares signed with the Leafs, his contract made up almost 14% of the cap. 13m for Marner would be roughly the same; however, when the cap climbs to 113 in 2 seasons, Marner's contract will make up 11.5 % of the cap.
  • Can they fit his contract under the cap? NO, it will be very difficult for them to fit his contract under the existing cap # 95.5 - Duclair would need to be moved completely, Engvall would need to be bought out, Varlamov LTIR, and Pageau would need to be moved, which I think is a mistake (IMO, you need someone like Pageau to balance a Marner signing). It would take some bold and creative moves to get it all to work.
  • Would he even sign here? If Matt Martin was able to get Marner to entertain coming to the island, it will have to take some magic.
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You can fit him, but probably not without moving Pageau. The below has us moving on from the 3 Ps: Pulock, Palmieri, and Pageau. Pulock could of course block a trade, but the other two should be easy enough to move on from. If you wanted to carry a 13th forward, you could send Engvall to Bridgeport and replace him with 2 players, although I don't know which two players you'd rather have here.

It can be done though.

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impaaaaaact said:
You can fit him, but probably not without moving Pageau. The below has us moving on from the 3 Ps: Pulock, Palmieri, and Pageau. Pulock could of course block a trade, but the other two should be easy enough to move on from. If you wanted to carry a 13th forward, you could send Engvall to Bridgeport and replace him with 2 players, although I don't know which two players you'd rather have here.

It can be done though.

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You are not trading Pulock with Schaefer potentially being the 1st OA pick - you need someone who can partner up with him - a veteran like Pulock is essential.

It is possible, but you have to move some pieces -
We have different predictions on salaries, but overall, they are the same.
The biggest difference would be Romanov getting 6.5 (he gets less) and DeAngelo @ 1.25 - I think he gets more, but hopefully, you are correct.
 
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SI said:
You are not trading Pulock with Schaefer potentially being the 1st OA pick - you need someone who can partner up with him - a veteran like Pulock is essential.

It is possible, but you have to move some pieces -
We have different predictions on salaries, but overall, they are the same.
The biggest difference would DeAngelo @ 1.25 - I think he gets more, but hopefully, you are correct.
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We would still have a veteran (and a bruiser) in Mayfield. You do whatever to get Marner here IMO
 
The way to make this work and it will take a few leaps.

You move Mayfield to Nashville - they need RH D, and Trotz knows and likes Scotty.
My suggestion - McCarron for Mayfield

You do not qualify, Perunovich, and give George (.838) the 6th D man role. Boqvist (1m) and DeAngelo (1.5) resign. I think 1.25 is too small, so I bumped it up a bit - I had him at 2.5.

Resign Romanov (5.75) and Dobson (9) - I had Dobson at 8.5 and Romanov at 5.25. 6.5 for Romanov is too much for someone who produces so little offence.

Resign Holmstrom to the bridge deal (4m) and resign Tsyplakov (3m).

Win Shabanov - (.95m) and trade 2025 2nd for Lukas Reichel (1.2)

Trade JGP and take the assets and use them to jettison Duclair's full contract.

Ritchie starts with the big club and heads a kid line of Shabanov - Ritchie - Reichel, Cizikas - McCarron - Gatcomb, are you new 4th liners.

I don't love moving Pageau and giving Ritchie the keys. There is the option of possibly moving Cizikas, too. I would much rather move Duclair's full contract and Varlamov land on LTIR and certainly buyout ENgvall.
 
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SI said:
The way to make this work and it will take a few leaps.

You move Mayfield to Nashville - they need RH D, and Trotz knows and likes Scotty.
My suggestion - McCarron for Mayfield

You do not qualify, Perunovich, and give George (.838) the 6th D man role. Boqvist (1m) and DeAngelo (1.5) resign. I think 1.25 is too small, so I bumped it up a bit - I had him at 2.5.

Resign Romanov (5.75) and Dobson (9) - I had Dobson at 8.5 and Romanov at 5.25. 6.5 for Romanov is too much for someone who produces so little offence.

Resign Holmstrom to the bridge deal (4m) and resign Tsyplakov (3m).

Win Shabanov - (.95m) and trade 2025 2nd for Lukas Reichel (1.2)

Trade JGP and take the assets and use them to jettison Duclair's full contract.

Ritchie starts with the big club and heads a kid line of Shabanov - Ritchie - Reichel, Cizikas - McCarron - Gatcomb, are you new 4th liners.

I don't love moving Pageau and giving Ritchie the keys. There is the option of possibly moving Cizikas, too. I would much rather move Duclair's full contract and Varlamov land on LTIR and certainly buyout ENgvall.
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Yeah... It'll take a ton of moves, but moves that they were allegedly contemplating making, Marner or not.
 
impaaaaaact said:
You can fit him, but probably not without moving Pageau. The below has us moving on from the 3 Ps: Pulock, Palmieri, and Pageau. Pulock could of course block a trade, but the other two should be easy enough to move on from. If you wanted to carry a 13th forward, you could send Engvall to Bridgeport and replace him with 2 players, although I don't know which two players you'd rather have here.

It can be done though.

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That 3rd line is one disaster in the making for a kids development.
 
The Marner pipe dream is to do what exactly? Compete within the next few years? Because despite all his speed and skill, you are going to need to capitalize on that within the first few years of the contract especially if the idea is to keep Barzal and Horvat.

If that is truly the plan, then I think trading out of #1 and taking a more soon-to-be NHL ready (Hagens) draft pick makes more sense. Problem is the timing of the the draft and July 1 are out of order...
 
Transitioning my thought process, if we don’t get marner, sign Holmstrom to an 8 year deal. Lower cap hit in years 3-8 will help. Already had Romanov and Dobson long term. Keep Pageau which means don’t trade him at the draft, if you sign Marner there will still be a market for him. Keep the D minus one right handed shot. If you sign Marner you might be have to trade Pelech or Pulock for cap purposes. If you don’t, just trade Mayfield. Trickles down to moving Engvall and Duclair too. Run it back one more year not in hopes of making a run but in terms of contracts. All the guys will be locked up but now at the deadline you can move Pageau for a higher price. Ritchie doesn’t have to start and he can come up post deadline.

I don’t see a scenario we’re a bottom 5 team, arguably even bottom 10. But I think this is a clean transition year where I’d big fish hunt next offseason instead. You move Pageau at the deadline and you have an in house replacement and you go into the 26 draft armed with 3 firsts.

Whoever the GM is gets a year to evaluate and then make moves.
 
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When is marners contract up? After the draft? Would Toronto be desperate to get anything in return in a draft day trade instead of letting him walk for nothing?
 
Mr Misunderstood said:
The Marner pipe dream is to do what exactly? Compete within the next few years? Because despite all his speed and skill, you are going to need to capitalize on that within the first few years of the contract especially if the idea is to keep Barzal and Horvat.

If that is truly the plan, then I think trading out of #1 and taking a more soon-to-be NHL ready (Hagens) draft pick makes more sense. Problem is the timing of the the draft and July 1 are out of order...
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The new GM should sign Marner and then think about trading Anthony Duclair for McDavid.
 
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Just get rid of Duclair by buying him out. Be done with that. Engvall can go back and forth to the AHL until he pleads for mercy or just Redden’s it. He has his moments good and bad, but for $3M waiver guy, he can work.

I’d try to get Robertson out of Toronto and Quinn out of Buffalo - both 23 RFAs. They can be your third line and maybe, maybe graduate to 2nd line duty in 1-2 years.
 
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