Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build
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seafoam
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Anyone have any interest in Boeser? That would signal Barzal moving back to center...
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impaaaaaact
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We shouldn’t be picking up big free agents this year. Next year is a great year to be terrible. Let Palmieri walk and trade the UFAs. A bottom 5 finish next year gets us another elite prospect on the same level as Schaefer
seafoam
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So then you absolutely need to move Sorokin at the draft. Maybe more.
impaaaaaact
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I think having already moved Nelson, not resigning Palmieri and the moving Lee and Pageau should be enough for a bottom 5 finish. That's like 90 goals, and we were already bottom 5. Get 60 back and that puts us on pace to be firmly in last.
The teams tied or behind us in goals this year finished in 15th, 25th, 28th, 30th, and 32 place in points. Even just not signing Palmieri without trading the UFAs likely puts us on course for a bottom five finish... may as well lean into it.
LAIslanderFan
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I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but I wouldn't mind one more "tank" year. I don't think
one year of a top draft pick is going to really turn the ship around enough (I don't think Schaffer is ready to break the lineup next year, he played 17 games last year). The Isles still have a very poor prospect pool and a team, kind of in the middle with aging vets and some players in their prime.
Pageau (33), Pelech (31), Pulock (31), Cizikas (34), Lee (35), Mayfield (33), by the time this team is a legit contender again (we don't need anymore middling teams on the cusp of the playoffs every year), everyone of those players will be on the back end of their careers or retired. They should move off on them sooner rather than later, if possible for draft picks or prospects. If you start moving some of them before next season, the tank will happen organically. A team like Utah is on the cusp of taking the next step, they have a bountiful of prospects already. Pelech or Pulock might be just the thing they need on the backend to solidify things. The Isles should take on some of their salary if that helps. I doubt Lee is tradable at this point, but come the trade deadline due to the fact he's on an expiring contract, he might bring in a 2nd round pick? Pageau still has a few good years left, a young rebuilding team could use his face-off prowess along with his experience.
Just one more year is all I ask. By trading some of the older veterans they can accumulate both prospects and cap space. It wouldn't be a complete rebuild, just a slight delay.
The 26-27 Islanders will have an infusion of youth (Eiserman, Richie, Nelson, Nurmi, Finley, and Schaffer) to go along with the extra cap space to bring in quality free agents in addition to some of their established players (Barzel, Horvat, Holmstrom, Dobson, Romanov, Tsyplakov, Sorokin). Not to mention additional draft picks or prospect waiting in the wings.
Let's do this right!
one year of a top draft pick is going to really turn the ship around enough (I don't think Schaffer is ready to break the lineup next year, he played 17 games last year). The Isles still have a very poor prospect pool and a team, kind of in the middle with aging vets and some players in their prime.
Pageau (33), Pelech (31), Pulock (31), Cizikas (34), Lee (35), Mayfield (33), by the time this team is a legit contender again (we don't need anymore middling teams on the cusp of the playoffs every year), everyone of those players will be on the back end of their careers or retired. They should move off on them sooner rather than later, if possible for draft picks or prospects. If you start moving some of them before next season, the tank will happen organically. A team like Utah is on the cusp of taking the next step, they have a bountiful of prospects already. Pelech or Pulock might be just the thing they need on the backend to solidify things. The Isles should take on some of their salary if that helps. I doubt Lee is tradable at this point, but come the trade deadline due to the fact he's on an expiring contract, he might bring in a 2nd round pick? Pageau still has a few good years left, a young rebuilding team could use his face-off prowess along with his experience.
Just one more year is all I ask. By trading some of the older veterans they can accumulate both prospects and cap space. It wouldn't be a complete rebuild, just a slight delay.
The 26-27 Islanders will have an infusion of youth (Eiserman, Richie, Nelson, Nurmi, Finley, and Schaffer) to go along with the extra cap space to bring in quality free agents in addition to some of their established players (Barzel, Horvat, Holmstrom, Dobson, Romanov, Tsyplakov, Sorokin). Not to mention additional draft picks or prospect waiting in the wings.
Let's do this right!
LAIslanderFan
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I'd love it if they could move Lee, but I don't think they'll get any interest until the trade deadline.
A case could be made for this in that Sorokin could be the only thing that keeps us near WC2 next season. But he would be the only one of our alleged core I want to keep. Nothing seems to get under his skin and he might roll with the punches of a rebuilding team better than anyone else.
The thing is Lou self tanked us this season by hobbling the team at the TDL. Otherwise in his mind he had the pieces for a WC team.
Lou doesn't get enough credit for making sure this team finished 10th worst
Kyle Palmieri a crucial part of the 2025-26 Islanders
. What a mistake
impaaaaaact
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They'll also have the 2026 1st (top-5), the (late) Colorado 1st, and the returns from Pageau and Lee waiting in the wings.
They'll have pulled off the rebuild Perif has been calling for for years in basically a year and a trade deadline thanks to winning the lottery - but they'll have done it with some great players already on the roster.
They'll also have cap space. You'd hope in 2026-2027 Ritchie, Eiserman and Schaeffer have all made the team. That will give you a LOT of cash to go after big fish. And this is without considering the possibility of moving on from Pelech/Pulock/Mayfield/Duclair/Engvall.
Do it right. One year of pain.
LAIslanderFan
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I have a few issues with Dobson, I think he can get lazy at times and has brain lapses, so I question his hockey IQ and he plays soft for someone his size. I would consider moving him based on how his salary negotiations go. The Isles should consider what he's asking versus what they can get for him.
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impaaaaaact
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The other thing you need to think about here is who is available at the top of the draft next year. I'm no scout, but according to The Athletic you have:
1. Potentially generational playmaking incredible stickhandling/skating winger (Mckenna)
2. Scoring winger playing in the SHL (Swedish men's league) at 17 (Stenberg)
3. 6'4 sniper center who lead his OHL team in scoring in his D-1 year (Roobreck)
4. Smaller RHD who is good at everything - they compare him to Fox (Lin)
5. Bigger RHD who can do everything but is a below average skater (Verhoeff)
6. Smaller C who broke the SHL J20 scoring record (Bjorck)
Looking at that.... does it maybe push you slightly towards Misa? If we don't win the lottery 2 years straight, is next year potentially the year to take a defenseman? Just thinking out loud here...
1. Potentially generational playmaking incredible stickhandling/skating winger (Mckenna)
2. Scoring winger playing in the SHL (Swedish men's league) at 17 (Stenberg)
3. 6'4 sniper center who lead his OHL team in scoring in his D-1 year (Roobreck)
4. Smaller RHD who is good at everything - they compare him to Fox (Lin)
5. Bigger RHD who can do everything but is a below average skater (Verhoeff)
6. Smaller C who broke the SHL J20 scoring record (Bjorck)
Looking at that.... does it maybe push you slightly towards Misa? If we don't win the lottery 2 years straight, is next year potentially the year to take a defenseman? Just thinking out loud here...
impaaaaaact
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In case you missed it, final tally on Horvat after the Barzal injury:
31 games
10 Goals
9 Assists
-20
50 point pace... about the same as Simon Holmstrom. Maybe we should give him 8.5M/8 this summer
Kevin27nyi
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Isles finished 10th worst with a ton going wrong injury wise. If we don't replace Nelson but have half the injuries, in particular Barzal, we likely won't finish any worse.
We'd have to absolutely unload to be worse which I don't think we will. The best outlook for us is to take this first overall and run, we can be competitive next year. Adding Boeser would be huge or any top 6 talent.
We'd have to absolutely unload to be worse which I don't think we will. The best outlook for us is to take this first overall and run, we can be competitive next year. Adding Boeser would be huge or any top 6 talent.
Throttle
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Horvat is probably not the guy at issue, especially a UFA signing.
Kevin27nyi
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I'm a little hard on Shabanov. I liked Tsyplakov, adding him at 950K and now locking him up potentially for 3x3; it's what our team needs to bridge talent. Really hoping for the same with Shabanov.
impaaaaaact
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That's an awfully large sample size of him being what you always rag on Barzal for; reliant on other players to be effective. All the fancy stats back that up as well. -20 over 30 games from your highest paid player on the ice while fighting for a playoff spot cannot be swept under the rug with "probably not his fault".
He gets paid half a million less than Barzal, and he's three years older. If you're looking to move out a "star" player from the roster to help fuel the rebuild, that's where you'd start.
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Kevin27nyi
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Love playing with puck pedia.
Today I did Pulock for MTL/CGY first and Arber Xhekaj. Pageau to Anaheim for Johnston and a second. Buy out Engvall and Duclair. Called up Ritchie for the 3 hole. Signed Sam Bennet for 7 years at 8 million. Romanov at 7 years for 4 million, tsyp for 3x3, Holmer 2 x 3.5 (could do longer at higher cap), Dobber 8x8, tony D at 2.5 x2, Boqvist at 1 million for 3 years, palms at 4.5 x 2, Shabnov at a one year ELC, Brazeau at 3 years for 2 per and I'm assuming whoever we draft goes back to juniors or college.
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I think any way you spin it, there will be more moves than we're accustomed to. Even if Lou stayed.
Have to imagine there's a big top 6 target and changes amongst who is here. I think with Dobson, Pulock, Deangelo, Mayfield and Boqvist all on the right side in various roles that you see one of them shipped out (Mayfield, Pulock and Dobson). Left side is weak with just Pelech and Romanov.
Today I did Pulock for MTL/CGY first and Arber Xhekaj. Pageau to Anaheim for Johnston and a second. Buy out Engvall and Duclair. Called up Ritchie for the 3 hole. Signed Sam Bennet for 7 years at 8 million. Romanov at 7 years for 4 million, tsyp for 3x3, Holmer 2 x 3.5 (could do longer at higher cap), Dobber 8x8, tony D at 2.5 x2, Boqvist at 1 million for 3 years, palms at 4.5 x 2, Shabnov at a one year ELC, Brazeau at 3 years for 2 per and I'm assuming whoever we draft goes back to juniors or college.
Lee-Horvat-Barzal
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Tsyp-Ritchie-Holms
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Johnston/Gatcomb
Pelech-Dobson
Romanov-Deangelo
Xhekaj/Boqvist-Mayfield
Xhekaj/Boqvist
I think any way you spin it, there will be more moves than we're accustomed to. Even if Lou stayed.
Have to imagine there's a big top 6 target and changes amongst who is here. I think with Dobson, Pulock, Deangelo, Mayfield and Boqvist all on the right side in various roles that you see one of them shipped out (Mayfield, Pulock and Dobson). Left side is weak with just Pelech and Romanov.
seafoam
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Kevin27nyi
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Gimme some feedback. Who don't you want.
Edit: didn't realize you bolded.
You want Ritchie in the show next year or no?
Pulock or Dobson for me has to go.
Bennett I get.
seafoam
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No interest in swapping Pageau and Pulock for Johnston and Jackeye, even with the picks the downgrade is too significant.
Ritchie is not ready for 'The Show' next year either.
Bennett is probably worth 8M per, but he will never sign here...
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