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impaaaaaact said:
Assuming we take Schaefer, we have a bit of a logjam at LHD.

Schaefer
Romanov
Pelech
Perunovich - not Qualified
Reilly - UFA
George
Pulkinnen - AHL and still a couple of seasons away might not be an NHLer or top4
Odelius - AHL and still a couple of seasons away might not be an NHLer
Bolduc - waivers

Reilly is the only one of those players who is a UFA. Is it wrong to think the second most likely player not to be back is Romanov? He's the highest value player, and needs a new contract.
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See my responses in RED. Romanov is probably the least likely to not go. You also have to consider expansion that is coming
 
JJ18Sniper said:
From everything i've read so far, Misa is the most NHL ready of the 3.

Schaefer started the season at 17 and missed most of it. He wasn't far from the 26' draft cutoff date.
Hagens needs another year at BC and hopefully fills out his frame.
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I don't really think a rookie year that's not quite as good as Stamkos or Tavares (which is what I think you'd expect form Misa) is a reason to pick him over Schaefer.
 
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MJF said:
If so, if we pick 1 OA we should be taking a player that's NHL ready. Is Schaefer the only one of him, Hagens and Misa who is NHL ready?
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Schaefer still bounces off bigger players, his skating and hockey sense may be NHL ready but he’s not strong enough.

Hagens is not, Misa is probably the most NHL ready of the three you listed.
 
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saintunspecified said:
I think Hagens could play in the NHL, and he might really benefit from another year in NCAA. Leonard was puck dominant, and that wasn't a fit. I think a year as the man would help Hagens offensively. (Being on a line with Stiga also wasn't a tip top situation for his goal scoring - he was always playing the responsible role).


I don't know. Cole Eiserman had the Cole train working in his favor (i.e. getting passes from Hutson). Hagens was playing third man high most of the time I watched him. Everything that makes me wonder about with Eiserman - his weird stride, brainlock, etc. is pro-ready with Hagens. BU was - despite the group of high end forwards on BC, the better team once they got close to even with goaltending. (their bottom 6 is better, and their D was much better)
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I was not impressed with Hagens Frozen Four games. If anything I’d say Eiserman played within his line by that time, recognized that Hutson had the hot stick and worked to set him up in the postseason, rather than forcing himself to be the star. That shows maturity. I honestly think both of them should go back for their sophomore seasons, especially Hagens.
 
saintunspecified said:
I don't really think a rookie year that's not quite as good as Stamkos or Tavares (which is what I think you'd expect form Misa) is a reason to pick him over Schaefer.
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I don't think that should be a reason either. He's the most NHL ready is all I'm saying.
As of right now, I'm on Schaefer at 1 or trade back to 2 or 3.
 
impaaaaaact said:
Assuming we take Schaefer, we have a bit of a logjam at LHD.

Schaefer
Romanov
Pelech
Perunovich
Reilly
George
Pulkinnen
Odelius
Bolduc

Reilly is the only one of those players who is a UFA. Is it wrong to think the second most likely player not to be back is Romanov? He's the highest value player, and needs a new contract.
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Assuming Schaefer is taken, you can split this into 3 groups:
NHL
Romanov
Schaefer
George

Middle (let go/trade?)
Pelech
Reilly

AHL
Perunovich
Pulkinnen
Odelius
Bolduc

My guess is that Bolduc and Perunovich are cast away with a typical Isles gift bag and a thank you for your services. Reilly might not even get brought back and if he does it’s on a PTO.
 
SRBisles said:
It really depends on who you ask. Misa I would say is regarded as the most NHL ready, but Schaefer isn’t far behind at all (if only because of a more difficult position and being barely 18 at the start of the next NHL season.) Hagens is pretty much universally regarded as needing another year as the guy at BC without Leonard/Perreault to defer to. I think there’s a pretty strong case to be made that none of these guys should be in the NHL next year but we’ll see.
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I guess where I’m going with this is how does all this affect the Islanders for 2025-26. If none of Misa, Hagens, or Schaefer is ready for the NHL and we draft one of them, send them back to amateurs and continue stripping down the NHL roster for the next 2-3 seasons. Make a couple of impactful trades pointed towards 2027-28. Because it seems to me nobody is changing the team’s fortunes for 2025-26.
 
YearlyLottery said:
The way I look at this draft is:

1A Schaefer

1D Misa






2 Hagens


Picking Hagens is NOT picking BPA. We will not be mad at Misa come seeing him in NHL action but he would not be the right pick here.
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I would take the best sniper available with 1 OA. If it’s Misa, pick him. It fills a need we desperately have.
 
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MJF said:
I guess where I’m going with this is how does all this affect the Islanders for 2025-26. If none of Misa, Hagens, or Schaefer is ready for the NHL and we draft one of them, send them back to amateurs and continue stripping down the NHL roster for the next 2-3 seasons. Make a couple of impactful trades pointed towards 2027-28. Because it seems to me nobody is changing the team’s fortunes for 2025-26.
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We aren't likely to win next year

I hope that our new GM is concerned about what is the best pick LONG TERM, not what we need next season.
 
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MJF said:
Is there anyone here who thinks James Hagens is not NHL-ready and should go back to BC for his sophomore year?

I watched a lot of BU and Hockey East his year, especially from January thru the Frozen Four and I don’t think Cole Eiserman is NHL ready and I thought he had a better year than Hagens did.
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Saw him in the WJC and was unimpressed
He’s as ready as Shane Wright was in his draft year
 
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MJF said:
Is there anyone here who thinks James Hagens is not NHL-ready and should go back to BC for his sophomore year?

I watched a lot of BU and Hockey East his year, especially from January thru the Frozen Four and I don’t think Cole Eiserman is NHL ready and I thought he had a better year than Hagens did.
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I’d send both back for at minimum another year at college. They’re both small and need to get some size/strength. Ideally the college years help them round out the defensive side of the game while perfecting the offensive side they were drafted for.
 
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Lame Lambert said:
Or trade down. People aren't going to want to hear this, but I think selling off and punting entirely next season will be in our best interest given the depth of 2026. There's a chance we can complete a full rebuild in 3 years because of this lottery win.
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That is fine. We just don't see trade downs very often in the NHL. Are we getting an additional first from San Jose or Chicago? Sign me up.

But if this results in us getting an extra second or something I would just take the #1 pick.

If this is a NFL style trade down value wise I absolutely agree. I'm just not totally sure that is what we will see. I also struggle the idea of how this team punts next season entirely. How do we do that? We still have a fairly decent roster in regards to being the worst team in the league.
 
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YearlyLottery said:
That is fine. We just don't see trade downs very often in the NHL. Are we getting an additional first from San Jose or Chicago? Sign me up.

But if this results in us getting an extra second or something I would just take the #1 pick.

If this is a NFL style trade down value wise I absolutely agree. I'm just not totally sure that is what we will see. I also struggle the idea of how this team punts next season entirely. How do we do that? We still have a fairly decent roster in regards to being the worst team in the league.
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Trading down isn't as common because there's usually a consensus #1 in hockey, and position doesn't matter as much. However, there isn't necessarily a consensus #1 in this draft, which makes it interesting.

Regarding the team next season, I think we will be pretty bad. Eiserman and whoever we pick this year should stay in their current leagues. Lee and Pageau should be traded this off-season or at the deadline to a contender. Martin and Palmieri are gone, and Nelson likely won't sign back here. Mayfield and Engvall are buyout candidates. Dobson should absolutely be traded and I would be fielding offers on Horvat.
 
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Lame Lambert said:
Trading down isn't as common because there's usually a consensus #1 in hockey, and position doesn't matter as much. However, there isn't necessarily a consensus #1 in this draft, which makes it interesting.

Regarding the team next season, I think we will be pretty bad. Eiserman and whoever we pick this year should stay in their current leagues. Lee and Pageau should be traded this off-season or at the deadline to a contender. Martin and Palmieri are gone, and Nelson likely won't sign back here. Mayfield and Engvall are buyout candidates. Dobson should absolutely be traded and I would be fielding offers on Horvat.
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I would even consider trading Horvat or Barzal for a haul. A return that can have us set up for the Islanders next ascent in 3 years.
 
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MJF said:
I would even consider trading Horvat or Barzal for a haul. A return that can have us set up for the Islanders next ascent in 3 years.
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Montreal is offering their 1sts this year, cap dumps and defensive prospect who had legal troubles. If we ask for more we could get their former 1st round pick who can’t score at the AHL level.
 
Lame Lambert said:
Trading down isn't as common because there's usually a consensus #1 in hockey, and position doesn't matter as much. However, there isn't necessarily a consensus #1 in this draft, which makes it interesting.

Regarding the team next season, I think we will be pretty bad. Eiserman and whoever we pick this year should stay in their current leagues. Lee and Pageau should be traded this off-season or at the deadline to a contender. Martin and Palmieri are gone, and Nelson likely won't sign back here. Mayfield and Engvall are buyout candidates. Dobson should absolutely be traded and I would be fielding offers on Horvat.
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In this scenario where we can trade Pageau and Lee for assets and get a haul for Dobson I think it is very realistic to potentially bottom out.

This is a fair thought process. I don't want to miss out on both Misa and Schaefer in a trade down scenario.

I think the worst thing our new GM could do is stay at 1 to make the pick and do very little else this offseason. Would love to see Pageau and Lee dealt though.
 
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