Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[WangMustGo]

Next year I would rather sign up to watch a 2024-25 Sharks season with a youth movement compared to re-watching the 2024-25 Isles season.

At least there would be something refreshing to see, in some new young blood and something to evaluate.

I know this is blasphemous, but it's where I am.

I think most of us would prefer to be in the sharks position. I would consider next season a step forward if we clearly take steps towards a retool and Ritchie comes in and shows us he’s a guy that will be a good top 6 center. I don’t care about the playoffs, I want to see the farm system vastly improve, get younger all around, and start developing the kids we already have.

Ideally get another first round pick this summer and at the deadline load up on picks for the 26’ draft.

 

[MJF]

Next year I would rather sign up to watch a 2024-25 Sharks season with a youth movement compared to re-watching the 2024-25 Isles season.

At least there would be something refreshing to see, in some new young blood and something to evaluate.

I know this is blasphemous, but it's where I am.

The fact that so many posters on this board are spending some time watching BU and Eiserman tells me that the fanbase at large is also doing the same thing. I have a feeling those same people would be okay with the Islanders taking a step back for a couple of years if they know there's real young talent on the way through the pipeline.

 

[MJF]

Know what you're saying but there's no Celebrini, Eklund, or Smith here to go watch.

But there is Eiserman and Finley. Get into Gavin McKenna ping pong ball range for 2026 and go from there.

 

[Arsenalogist24]

Guys guys, you’ll get 3 more years of Kyle Palmieri. We don’t need draft picks

 

[Osakahaus]

Sorry the truth hurts, despite the ongoing excuse making.

what f***ing truth? you are a MEDIOCRE roster from the top down. Support the guys you paid big dollars for. Stop sitting on your ass and say "oh its only THEM who need to put in the work". You know who's been lazy the past few seasons? Ryan Pulock. Adam Pelech. Bo Horvat. Casey Cizikas, the entire bottom 6 and PK. You wanna complain about people not doing their job, i would blame those three. Blame the old fart of a general manager for having zero creativity in thinking. Blame the coach for how stupid he is, scratching Perunovich for the reason of a bad turnover instead of Ryan Pulock just because he wears an A.

We all are schmucks because guess what? NOTHING will change into next season. Lou will repeat the exact same quote's he's said the past four seasons. He will do nothing about the horrible depth we have, the horrible power play, special teams and 6v5 play, and he will continue to think Bridgeport is a joke. And guess what? You will bitch about Barzal and Sorokin still. You will bitch about them instead of blaming bigger, more noticable culprits. A lot of fans have this warped perception that this team is gonna be able to compete, that they're a piece or two away, that they need XYZ to get past Carolina. Guess what, they're at least seven to nine pieces away from even being able to compete against REAL NHL teams who play fast, who forecheck, who show heart and soul.

 

[Osakahaus]

Guys guys, you’ll get 3 more years of Kyle Palmieri. We don’t need draft picks

Oh boy an aging mid 30's player who looks checked out.

Lou Lamoriello is clapping seeing this team look checked out. Ownership doesn't care, they have that stupid village that takes away the garages so you have to use that garbage emerald lot instead. They don't care, UBS arena gives more of a crap about some Gabriel Iglesias concert instead of the islanders. Ownership is doing a worse job now than Wang did when the team was a few steps away from being relocated. and i hate to burst people's bubbles some more, but Cal Ritchie is gonna get screwed by Patty Roy.

 

[periferal]

Know what you're saying but there's no Celebrini, Eklund, or Smith here to go watch.

So we should keep quadrupling down on our GM's plan to nowhere...?

And I know you know that Celebrini, Eklund, and Smith were all top 10 picks. And I also know you know what the Sharks had to do to get those picks.

What's less obvious to some Isles fans is what the Isles need to do in order to not just get excitement back into the roster, but get on a true path to Cup contention.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Guys guys, you’ll get 3 more years of Kyle Palmieri. We don’t need draft picks

 

[periferal]

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

Everybody on here can continue to argue and debate and complain until the cows come home. None of us know for sure what will happen, but my gut instinct tells me that even with Lou likely still around, we are going to get legit change this offseason.
I think several of the following will be gone, Pageau, Palmieri, Mayfield, Pelech, Fasching, Cizikas, possibly even Lee. And I think we see Ritchie come in and we will have 10-15 million to be active in Free Agency for the first time in ages.
Start with a core of:
Horvat, Barzal, Holmstrom, Tsyplakov, Ritchie
Dobson, Romanov, Pulock, DeAngelo
Sorokin
If we can find a way to add a guy like Marner in free agency and make a trade or two to bring in young NHL ready players, I dont think we are quite in the doomsday scenario everybody is proclaiming. But change has to be made and I think it is coming.

 

[doublechili]

Needless to say the big question is whether Lou stays or goes. I feel like I'm as patient/prudent as they come, but even I felt like last summer was time for Lou to go (maybe even the summer before). Now it's even more clear it's time. That's one thing. The other thing is that Malkin is a really smart guy. Combine those two things, and if he does keep Lou then I think it might mean that he really is looking for stability more than anything because he does want to sell in the not too distant future.

But he seems like a good owner in most respects, so I'm hoping the search has already been underway and we get an announcement not long after the season ends that they're moving on from all hockey management and coaches. We'll see.

 

[doublechili]

I think several of the following will be gone, Pageau, Palmieri, Mayfield, Pelech, Fasching, Cizikas, possibly even Lee.

If Lou stays, I doubt we'll see that many guys leave, even though I agree there would be more change than usual. I think if he stays we may see that he sold the ownership on coaching being a problem (bye Roy) along with injuries, and he'll own up too being too loyal and he'll therefore move a couple of guys out. I'd be shocked if he made a bunch of moves - and that's why he's got to go, because a lot of moves are needed.

I'm actually optimistic that Lou may go. Ownership has to look around the league and see what's necessary to be successful and compare that with Lou's glacial pace of movement. And the coaching argument shouldn't work with them because they've now seen the team fail under Trotz (in his last season), Lambert and Roy. There's something rotten, and a major overhaul is needed in management (including BP), coaching and the roster.

 

[Schaefer48]

It's funny how things have done a 180 when it comes to Lou. At times it was agonizing to post anything that shed a bad light on Lou. I guess a few mediocre seasons can do that.
If they haven't removed Lou by now, I can't see anything besides a health issue that would keep him from returning but like a few have mentioned, there is going to be a 4 to 6 player transition.
It might even be a blockbuster or 2 in the offseason

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

In my dream (but not entirely unrealistic) world, this would be the kind of team we could ice next year:
Lee- Horvat - Boeser
Ehlers - Barzal - Holmstrom
Duclair - Ritchie - Palmieri
Engvall - Cizikas - Gatcomb
Romanov- DeAngelo
Dobson - Pulock
Provorov - Mayfield/Pelech

This requires moving out Pageau and one of Pelech/Mayfield, and getting three guys to want to sign here, but I dont feel this is particularly outlandish. And I think the team above is a top 5 team in the East.

 

[The Real JT]

If Lou stays, I doubt we'll see that many guys leave, even though I agree there would be more change than usual. I think if he stays we may see that he sold the ownership on coaching being a problem (bye Roy) along with injuries, and he'll own up to being to loyal and he'll therefore move a couple of guys out. I'd be shocked if he made a bunch of moves - and that's why he's got to go, because a lot of moves are needed.

I'm actually optimistic that Lou may go. Ownership has to look around the league and see what's necessary to be successful and compare that with Lou's glacial pace of movement. And the coaching argument shouldn't work with them because they've now seen the team fail under Trotz (in his last season), Lambert and Roy. There's something rotten, and a major overhaul is needed in management (including BP), coaching and the roster.

The clamor for Lou to go has been on a low simmer for a while on these boards and it’s now approaching a rolling boil. Ownership doesn’t give a rat’s ass about that.

Meanwhile the media, including Isles haters and those with no bone to pick have all collectively opined on Lou’s tenure and I haven’t seen a single Lou apologist that remains.

Does our ownership, who have no hockey background, not pay any attention to these things? Lou probably references the old saying when he meets with them “Who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

So we should keep quadrupling down on our GM's plan to nowhere...?

And I know you know that Celebrini, Eklund, and Smith were all top 10 picks. And I also know you know what the Sharks had to do to get those picks.

What's less obvious to some Isles fans is what the Isles need to do in order to not just get excitement back into the roster, but get on a true path to Cup contention.

Naaa, the poster I responded to was referring specifically to wishing for that scenario already next season.

The pieces necessary to sit back and watch a bad, but very promising up-n-coming team, aren't (yet) there.

And as you know, they won't be coming under the current administration.

 

[MJF]

Does our ownership, who have no hockey background, not pay any attention to these things? Lou probably references the old saying when he meets with them “Who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”

Malkin and Ledecky have owned the team since 2014 and have been operating it themselves since 2016. I can no longer say they have no hockey background. Especially Ledecky who was a minority partner with the Capitals before he got here.

What I will say is Scott Malkin has taken a hands off approach with his team. If he doesn’t take an interest in it soon and pull Lou’s carte blanche control away from him, the team will continue on the path its on.

After 11 years of ownership if Scott Malkin remains not interested in the Isles expect us to end up like the Flyers ever since Comcast bought them.

 

[Big L]

How does anyone here know what ownership is or is not interested in doing?

 

[The Real JT]

Malkin and Ledecky have owned the team since 2014 and have been operating it themselves since 2016. I can no longer say they have no hockey background. Especially Ledecky who was a minority partner with the Capitals before he got here.

What I will say is Scott Malkin has taken a hands off approach with his team. If he doesn’t take an interest in it soon and pull Lou’s carte blanche control away from him, the team will continue on the path its on.

After 11 years of ownership if Scott Malkin remains not interested in the Isles expect us to end up like the Flyers ever since Comcast bought them.

If given the choice between a hands-on owner like Woody Johnson, Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder in the NFL or James Dolan in the NHL, I’d have to choose a passive owner who is good at his job yet understands that at some point you have to make an executive decision and change course. Surely our owners didn’t get to where they are without making decisions like this.

Hopefully they approach our current leadership dilemma as they do in their business lives rather than as a disinterested investor.

 

[Throttle]

San Jose? Having Celebrini probably helps that out though,

Allegedly 3500 p/night avg bump.

 

[MJF]

How does anyone here know what ownership is or is not interested in doing?

Nobody knows anything, so let’s just shut the board down since all we’re qualified to talk about is nothing.

 

[Big L]

Nobody knows anything, so let’s just shut the board down since all we’re qualified to talk about is nothing.

Let’s deal in reality and facts instead of fanciful speculation to reinforce personal narratives

 

[MJF]

Let’s deal in reality and facts instead of fanciful speculation to reinforce personal narratives

Those are called opinions.

 

[On Edge]

How does anyone here know what ownership is or is not interested in doing?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, guess what? It’s a duck.

 

[On Edge]

If given the choice between a hands-on owner like Woody Johnson, Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder in the NFL or James Dolan in the NHL, I’d have to choose a passive owner who is good at his job yet understands that at some point you have to make an executive decision and change course. Surely our owners didn’t get to where they are without making decisions like this.

Hopefully they approach our current leadership dilemma as they do in their business lives rather than as a disinterested investor.

I’d prefer an owner who is hands off but is also paying attention.