Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[IslesNorway]

2 yrs x $2.25M/yr. Not a penny more for a guy who left the KHL midseasonn.

The Lou special 6 year deal awaits....

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Do you guys think you'll keep Dobson long term or try to move him? Has he been as bad this season compared to previous seasons as his stats suggest?

 

[mm11]

Wondering if anders Lee gets dangled. I year left on the contract at 7 million I believe. Time does fly eh?

 

[icelander25]

Do you guys think you'll keep Dobson long term or try to move him? Has he been as bad this season compared to previous seasons as his stats suggest?

Yea, I've barely watched this season, but before the season (and even halfway through) I was pretty optimsitc and willing to igve him 8-8.5 mil per. Now I think he's gonna get 9 mil + and I wouldn't wanna give him more than 7.5-8 mil long term. I think he needs to be moved of the core to shake things up.

 

[MJF]

The Lou special 6 year deal awaits....

Ugh that's what I'm afraid of.

 

[boredmale]

Do you guys think you'll keep Dobson long term or try to move him? Has he been as bad this season compared to previous seasons as his stats suggest?

Unless we get a great deal back(ie an actual top line forward and not picks and a prospect) I don't see him being moved. Only other way I see him going is if we make a big UFA signing and need to free up cap space. Even then I am guessing Pulock is the guy to go

In terms of this season, his PPG is sort of on pace with previous years not counting last year. His defense work still leaves a lot to be desired. When we drafted this guy I thought we were getting a 40 point 2 way guy, instead looks more like a 50+ offensive guy

 

[MJF]

Do you guys think you'll keep Dobson long term or try to move him? Has he been as bad this season compared to previous seasons as his stats suggest?

I think the Isles will keep Dobson. His offensive stats are not as troubling to me as his defensive play. He often gets caught in between not knowing who to try to take out in a backchecking situation so he stands out when the opponent scores. It's not just Dobson alone though. His partner has something to do with that, as do the forwards. Hell, the entire team has been a defensive nightmare.

I don't think you give up on a 25 year old defenseman one year removed from a fine season, but I'm leery of giving him an 8 year deal. He's 1 year from UFA so I'm hopeful some sort of bridge deal can be worked out and Lamoriello allows Roy to hire his own assistant coaches. First year assistant coach Tommy Albelin hasn't helped anything for his D corps.

 

[icelander25]

I think the Isles will keep Dobson. His offensive stats are not as troubling to me as his defensive play. He often gets caught in between not knowing who to try to take out in a backchecking situation so he stands out when the opponent scores. It's not just Dobson alone though. His partner has something to do with that, as do the forwards. Hell, the entire team has been a defensive nightmare.

I don't think you give up on a 25 year old defenseman one year removed from a fine season, but I'm leery of giving him an 8 year deal. He's 1 year from UFA so I'm hopeful some sort of bridge deal can be worked out and Lamoriello allows Roy to hire his own assistant coaches. First year assistant coach Tommy Albelin hasn't helped anything for his D corps.

I'm not against bringing him back, I just think he's going to absolutely want a long term deal and he'll easily get 9+ somewhere else which I'd absolutely not give him.

 

[boredmale]

I'm not against bringing him back, I just think he's going to absolutely want a long term deal and he'll easily get 9+ somewhere else which I'd absolutely not give him.

 

[doublechili]

Wondering if anders Lee gets dangled. I year left on the contract at 7 million I believe. Time does fly eh?

Funny, but for all the talk about how bad Lee's contract was it turned out to be not quite so bad. Of the 6 years thus far, he's had 28 goals 3 times, 20 in 68 games and 12 in 27 games. Last year's 20 goals was his worst scoring pace. This season's 28 goals is good for 43rd overall in a 32 team league., and tied for 10th among LWs.

 

[crashthenet]

Funny, but for all the talk about how bad Lee's contract was it turned out to be not quite so bad. Of the 6 years thus far, he's had 28 goals 3 times, 20 in 68 games and 12 in 27 games. Last year's 20 goals was his worst scoring pace. This season's 28 goals is good for 43rd overall in a 32 team league., and tied for 10th among LWs.

and a pretty bad injury.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Do you guys think you'll keep Dobson long term or try to move him? Has he been as bad this season compared to previous seasons as his stats suggest?

He's pretty much the same guy he’s always been. Last year is the outlier, points-wise. I would be ok moving him in the right deal…

 

[WangMustGo]

Funny, but for all the talk about how bad Lee's contract was it turned out to be not quite so bad. Of the 6 years thus far, he's had 28 goals 3 times, 20 in 68 games and 12 in 27 games. Last year's 20 goals was his worst scoring pace. This season's 28 goals is good for 43rd overall in a 32 team league., and tied for 10th among LWs.

I hope he has a fantastic year next year and gets moved at the deadline again. Get 3x first round picks in what is supposed to be a good draft.

 

[doublechili]

I hope he has a fantastic year next year and gets moved at the deadline again. Get 3x first round picks in what is supposed to be a good draft.

Yeah, if he stays healthy and on track for 25+ goals again he could bring a nice return - GMs like those 6'3", 230lb guys come playoff time. Of course, we'll have to see how we're doing in the standings and who the GM is....

 

[leeroggy]

Funny, but for all the talk about how bad Lee's contract was it turned out to be not quite so bad. Of the 6 years thus far, he's had 28 goals 3 times, 20 in 68 games and 12 in 27 games. Last year's 20 goals was his worst scoring pace. This season's 28 goals is good for 43rd overall in a 32 team league., and tied for 10th among LWs.

Now you've done it!

Anyhow, those who keep playing NHL GM always seem to forget SOMEONE needs to be the leader of the team on and off the ice and he's a damn good one

His contract is not a problem and his play is not a problem

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Now you've done it!

Anyhow, those who keep playing NHL GM always seem to forget SOMEONE needs to be the leader of the team on and off the ice and he's a damn good one

His contract is not a problem and his play is not a problem

Sure, but are you going to re-sign a 35 year old Lee? For how long?
Keep in mind you're also (presumably, and if not I'm going to lose my shit) paying a 36 year old Kyle Palmieri.

There is another guy that can slide into the Captaincy who is already signed until 2031...

 

[doublechili]

Now you've done it!

Anyhow, those who keep playing NHL GM always seem to forget SOMEONE needs to be the leader of the team on and off the ice and he's a damn good one

His contract is not a problem and his play is not a problem

Yeah, that's another angle. You can draft guys, but part of how they develop depends on the team around them. Like the old JP Parise/Jude Drouin example I bring up sometimes. However, it could also be that Lee might want to finish his career someplace else - closer to home - or take a shot at a Cup. We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[MJF]

I'm not against bringing him back, I just think he's going to absolutely want a long term deal and he'll easily get 9+ somewhere else which I'd absolutely not give him.

If that’s what he wants I’d ask him to give Lou a heads up so he can do a sign and trade between the draft and the opening of free agency.

 

[mm11]

Now you've done it!

Anyhow, those who keep playing NHL GM always seem to forget SOMEONE needs to be the leader of the team on and off the ice and he's a damn good one

His contract is not a problem and his play is not a problem

Can't believe how fast time goes. The qb from minny is winding down a long islander career. May stick around for awhile however

 

[WangMustGo]

Can't believe how fast time goes. The qb from minny is winding down a long islander career. May stick around for awhile however

I love Lee, but like Nelson it’s time to get younger. Move him at the deadline. Same goes for Pageau. Hopefully this summer Pelech or Pulock can be moved. This team needs a major overhaul.

 

[Run It Back]

I'm not against bringing him back, I just think he's going to absolutely want a long term deal and he'll easily get 9+ somewhere else which I'd absolutely not give him.

The only way he gets 9+ is if a GM pulls a Barry Trotz (the GM iteration) and signs him based on reputation rather than actual play and a failure to do a serious film study. He's got offensive skill but he's no Erik Karlsson and as hard as it is to imagine he is a considerably worse defender than Karlsson was at that age.

 

[icelander25]

The only way he gets 9+ is if a GM pulls a Barry Trotz (the GM iteration) and signs him based on reputation rather than actual play and a failure to do a serious film study. He's got offensive skill but he's no Erik Karlsson and as hard as it is to imagine he is a considerably worse defender than Karlsson was at that age.

This is the NHL... Of course somebody is gonna overpay. They don't just have the reputation factor but also the 'hope' that he'll breakout again. Add in the cap expansion, and Chrychrun getting 9mil, and he's got that locked up if he goes somewhere else.

 

[Run It Back]

This is the NHL... Of course somebody is gonna overpay. They don't just have the reputation factor but also the 'hope' that he'll breakout again. Add in the cap expansion, and Chrychrun getting 9mil, and he's got that locked up if he goes somewhere else.

Yeah, I was acknowledging that possibility and also saying that it will be a mistake. Hell, maybe it will be BT himself. He's got the track record now.

 

[icelander25]

Yeah, I was acknowledging that possibility and also saying that it will be a mistake. Hell, maybe it will be BT himself. He's got the track record now.

He would be a good fit there but there literally isn't a single player I'd want from them lol. If I'm trading Dobson, the main piece has to be under 26 and already producing a little. I think best case scenario is we get McTavish or Eklund, but I'd be fine with Byram +, Morrow++, plus a couple other teams

 

[LeapOnOver]

2023-24 NYI =16 OTL (5 SOL) - worst in NHL
2024-25 NYI = 11 OTL (2 SOL) - 5th worst in NHL

Those two totals really stand out to me and account for a lot of lost points for teams who were going down the stretch fighting for a playoff spot.

I think that lends some credit to their 5v5 and regulation time play, but highlights that there is something severely lacking in OT.
1. 3v3 Coaching philosophy
2. "Pond hockey" offensive speed & skill
3. Both

The Powerplay numbers suffer the same fate and pose the same question.

Everyone knows where I'm going with this, but there is more than just the "eye test" here that the Isles are not keeping up with the rest of the league...

You don't have to say 'something'. Everyone knows what it is. SKILL