Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[MJF]

Actually, all the cycling they've been doing in recent weeks, where the Dmen are also moving all around the offensive zone, has been very unique when compared to recent years.

A lot more movement of bodies and pucks now. That definitely sticks out as something new.

Almost feels like it came when DeAngelo arrived.

The movement is nice. The execution of basics,, still meh.

 

[MJF]

Don't worry folks.

This is where the season will be ending, namely with 4 games in 5 days.
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Will Roy run Sorokin out there until we’re eliminated?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Will Roy run Sorokin out there until we’re eliminated?

With 4 games in 5 days, Roy might be in net himself by Sunday.

 

[impaaaaaact]

It might be unpopular, but I think DeAngelo has to be resigned. If we can get him to agree to a 3 year deal for 3-4 million per, you gotta do it. He has easily been our second best dman behind only Romanov.

I bet he signs a 1 year, 1.5M deal. It's not going to get better for him than he has it here. playing 22 mins a night and 3 hours from his family. A coach that trusts him and gave him another chance in the NHL. Someone as uhh, well traveled as he is probably sees the value in potentially having found somewhere he fits

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

I bet he signs a 1 year, 1.5M deal. It's not going to get better for him than he has it here. playing 22 mins a night and 3 hours from his family. A coach that trusts him and gave him another chance in the NHL. Someone as uhh, well traveled as he is probably sees the value in potentially having found somewhere he fits

Well if that is the case, then great, but if he is willing to sign for 2 million or under, then I even more think we should lock him up for at least 2, if not 3 years. Because if he plays a full season like he has this season he will be worth triple that on the open market.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

Don't worry folks.

This is where the season will be ending, namely with 4 games in 5 days.
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That Friday game is fake news

 

[seafoam]

The movement is nice. The execution of basics,, still meh.

Agreed.

Nothing about the Roy era has impressed from a coaching perspective. You could have told me this was a Capuano coached roster and I would have not batted an eye.

There's nothing unique about his coaching of this team.

 

[SI]

With 4 games in 5 days, Roy might be in net himself by Sunday.

There is a mistake with the listing of those games - Tuesday, 4/8, Thursday 4/10, Saturday 4/11, and SUnday 4/12. 4 games in 6 days - still heavy lifting.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I just hope there’s a meaningful direction set in place this off-season with major roster shifts. I’m done with the rudderless, middle path, mediocre approach. It hasn’t worked and that will remain so.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

They have games on three consecutive days? What is this, baseball?

If so, it might actually be interesting to watch.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

That Friday game is fake news

Indeed!

The Internet playing with our minds again.

For clarity:

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I just hope there’s a meaningful direction set in place this off-season with major roster shifts. I’m done with the rudderless, middle path, mediocre approach. It hasn’t worked and that will remain so.

Yep.

Lou is definitely taking a different route this time around.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Yep.

Lou is definitely taking a different route this time around.

For me I understand why he chose to stand pat kinda off last season. Keep the draft picks, and decide of Nelson/Palmieri at the deadline (though I still would of dealt Pageau).

The real mistake he made was the offseason prior when he brought back everyone on 6-7 year deals like Engvall and Mayfield. I think that is what led to them having to stand pat last offseason and not do more changes.

If Lou does not add more speed and youth to the lineup he absolutely has to go and I do not blame those of you who feel that he should not get that opportunity.

 

[saintunspecified]

Well if that is the case, then great, but if he is willing to sign for 2 million or under, then I even more think we should lock him up for at least 2, if not 3 years. Because if he plays a full season like he has this season he will be worth triple that on the open market.

When the caphit is minimal above the amount that can be buried, there's barely any teams that couldn't afford to take the risk. So, imo he's going to cost significantly more than that per year.

I really don't know what to do here, but for me, I'd rather keep the years down. If you just saw him play with NYI without any of the reasonable concerns about his track record, he's a 5M AAV player easily. He's been playing 22+mins per night.

I hope the NYI front office have a better sense of whether he's actually mellowed out and become more consistent. If he has a 2-3 year at 3.5-4M AAV would be a bargain. Heck, he may be a bargain at 5 - but the higher you go, the risk weighs much more.

 

[icelander25]

As for DeAngelo, I think he and the organization understand the risk so I think he's absolutely staying. The Isles did him a favor giving him a shot and I don't think anybody gives him for than league min for a year. He'll get 2x2-2.5 I think with the Isles

 

[Osakahaus]

For me I understand why he chose to stand pat kinda off last season. Keep the draft picks, and decide of Nelson/Palmieri at the deadline (though I still would of dealt Pageau).

The real mistake he made was the offseason prior when he brought back everyone on 6-7 year deals like Engvall and Mayfield. I think that is what led to them having to stand pat last offseason and not do more changes.

If Lou does not add more speed and youth to the lineup he absolutely has to go and I do not blame those of you who feel that he should not get that opportunity.

they're gonna have another stand pat offseason and this team will be stuck in the mud. But hey, at least they have a chance for Gavin McKenna...

 

[Osakahaus]

Actually, all the cycling they've been doing in recent weeks, where the Dmen are also moving all around the offensive zone, has been very unique when compared to recent years.

A lot more movement of bodies and pucks now. That definitely sticks out as something new.

Almost feels like it came when DeAngelo arrived.

its true but the problem is that they lack the offense. I wont deny holmstrom being solid and a few others contributing but the lack of skill is what separates this team from being really good, especially on the wings.

 

[Osakahaus]

As for DeAngelo, I think he and the organization understand the risk so I think he's absolutely staying. The Isles did him a favor giving him a shot and I don't think anybody gives him for than league min for a year. He'll get 2x2-2.5 I think with the Isles

He's been fine. No issues from TDA.

 

[isles55]

Signing DeAngelo to a multi-year deal when:

-no other team will give him a multi-year deal(most likely)
-he has moved every season for the past five seasons
-has a history of off-ice issues
-is terrible defensively

Seems like a bad idea. 20~ good games aren’t what you should base your contract decisions on(the Pierre Engvall rule). 1 year max.

 

[seafoam]

Signing DeAngelo to a multi-year deal when:

-no other team will give him a multi-year deal(most likely)
-he has moved every season for the past five seasons
-has a history of off-ice issues
-is terrible defensively

Seems like a bad idea. 20~ good games aren’t what you should base your contract decisions on(the Pierre Engvall rule). 1 year max.

Engvall and Duclair are perfect (and recent) case studies as to why TDA should not get term from NYI.

A raise? Yes absolutely. 1 year 4-5M per I would much rather see than 3M per x 4 years

 

[MJF]

Signing DeAngelo to a multi-year deal when:

-no other team will give him a multi-year deal(most likely)
-he has moved every season for the past five seasons
-has a history of off-ice issues
-is terrible defensively

Seems like a bad idea. 20~ good games aren’t what you should base your contract decisions on(the Pierre Engvall rule). 1 year max.

2 yrs x $2.25M/yr. Not a penny more for a guy who left the KHL midseasonn.

 

[Isles72]

get the bigger decisions over with first . you have deangelo until july 1 so he can go on the back burners .

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

2023-24 NYI =16 OTL (5 SOL) - worst in NHL
2024-25 NYI = 11 OTL (2 SOL) - 5th worst in NHL

Those two totals really stand out to me and account for a lot of lost points for teams who were going down the stretch fighting for a playoff spot.

I think that lends some credit to their 5v5 and regulation time play, but highlights that there is something severely lacking in OT.
1. 3v3 Coaching philosophy
2. "Pond hockey" offensive speed & skill
3. Both

The Powerplay numbers suffer the same fate and pose the same question.

Everyone knows where I'm going with this, but there is more than just the "eye test" here that the Isles are not keeping up with the rest of the league...

 

[Osakahaus]

Again last night is a perfect example of what has been wrong with the Islanders since 2021. The time to make changes is now. Either make changes, or keep being the same mediocre team that brags about being "so close" to that wild card in a pathetic conference.

 

[MJF]

2023-24 NYI =16 OTL (5 SOL) - worst in NHL
2024-25 NYI = 11 OTL (2 SOL) - 5th worst in NHL

Those two totals really stand out to me and account for a lot of lost points for teams who were going down the stretch fighting for a playoff spot.

I think that lends some credit to their 5v5 and regulation time play, but highlights that there is something severely lacking in OT.
1. 3v3 Coaching philosophy
2. "Pond hockey" offensive speed & skill
3. Both

The Powerplay numbers suffer the same fate and pose the same question.

Everyone knows where I'm going with this, but there is more than just the "eye test" here that the Isles are not keeping up with the rest of the league...

Number 2 is lacking in the first 60 minutes of the game also. It has caused us problems on the power play for the entire time Lou has been on the Island. It hurts on the PK and when the opposition pulls their goalie late in games because we can't clear the puck out of the D zone.