Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

Duclair was a classic case of high risk-high reward UFA signing. He could have turned out to be a great signing, but alas has fallen into the Islanders sink hole of being decidedly average. He could still turn it around next season, but he needs momentum, and getting momentum is hard with the team being what it is. But the way he has become a total nonfactor is worrying indeed.

Engvall, on the other hand, has somehow stepped it up of late. He now looks a 3 million player some nights.
They are both third liners, who in case of Duclair, can play second line in the right situation. Engvall has some lapses but is an NHL player. Roy's decision to favor non-NHL players like Gauthier and Fasching over him remains perplexing. Roy wanted Duclair and got him. Post-injury Duclair is obviously compromised. If Roy thinks he is dogging it than it's another error in judgement on his part for bringing him here.
 
Hmmmm...okay, might be wrong but where ever did the ""Roy wanted him here" come from , in regards to Duclair...all i remember is that Duclair played for Roy as a junior not that Roy actively sought him out to play here.
 
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Hmmmm...okay, might be wrong but where ever did the ""Roy wanted him here" come from , in regards to Duclair...all i remember is that Duclair played for Roy as a junior not that Roy actively sought him out to play here.
 
Hmmm, thanks...somewhere along the line i missed that, and while i do not see Roy actually saying that, it is alluded to by Duclair....
 
If Duclair was playing so hurt you would think Roy would have kept his cool about him. The whole situation is amateur hour and something that I have not felt for the organization since the Snow era.
Could be a case where Roy wasn’t aware of just how bad Duclair was still hurt until they had the conversation before practice.
 
Could be a case where Roy wasn’t aware of just how bad Duclair was still hurt until they had the conversation before practice.

Still in that case Roy has to do a better job of actually knowing these things. He played in the league long enough to know guys play hurt all the time. Know your players better. Never saw stuff like this with Trotz around.
 
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Ryan McLeod and/or Dylan Holloway would have been nice pickups. Even Matt Grzelyck or Morgan Geekie.

Once again, pro scouting shits the bed and pees their pants.
 
Between the mediocre prospect pool, I think Eiserman becomes another Oliver Wahlstrom to the extremely mid NHL roster I think now's the time to blow it up.

Knowing Lou, he's too old to rebuild, I think the move is to move on and get a GM and commit to a rebuild.

This year's draft is average at best and the quality sees a dip at 10 but the next two drafts have two of the best prospects in recent times (McKenna and Dupont)

Now's the time to commit and rebuild but in order to do so, 4 guys have go to go and these are Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat and Dobson

I Don't get why owners allow their organizations to stand in such a situation, where you're either struggling to make the playoffs or miss and then draft late in the lottery. That's the recipe for being stuck in a mediocrity loop

You either win or commit to lose and now's the time

I'd post the same thing in the Red Wings, Penguins and Bruins forums if I wasn't bored
Why don't you get it? It's pretty obvious. Only 5 teams can statistically be in a good spot in the draft lottery. Look at the standings and see how bad your team has to be to get there. Just like you have to try to win, you have to try to lose to be that bad.
 
Ryan McLeod and/or Dylan Holloway would have been nice pickups. Even Matt Grzelyck or Morgan Geekie.

Once again, pro scouting shits the bed and pees their pants.
The Islanders could've spent the same amount on Holloway as they did with Varlamov

Think about that for a second
 
it’s obviously rent free if you’re cold tagging me into a conversation I wasn’t participating in over posts from 6 months ago lmao.



Anyway I saw this in graph form but couldn’t find it again just now - hopefully Friedman is a reputable enough source. He was obviously not healed up from the major injury he had. I for one hope he’s able to get back to being able to use his defining characteristic as a hockey player because he obviously sucks without it.


He can no longer get separation from defenders....
That's what I'm seeing
 
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Bro it’s an insane argument to compare Duclair to MacKinnon lmao. All credibility gone. Again, no one has ever called him a star. You have once again very loudly lost the plot. Muting because I remember where this goes..

The way you talk about him you'd think they were the same.

Reading comprehension seems tough, because I clearly was using the speed you're so obsessed with.

Where this goes is you calling everyone who doesn't like Duclair a racist, then being promptly shutdown.

I'd mute too if I was unable to have a discussion.
 
If Duclair was playing so hurt you would think Roy would have kept his cool about him. The whole situation is amateur hour and something that I have not felt for the organization since the Snow era.
Groin injuries are so incredibly frustrating for everyone, and they have a tendency to spread either bc of inflammation or bc of compensation, or because required rest leads to weakness elsewhere. They also can seem to have no effect on a person except during an attempt at explosive movement.

I think people who are moralizing about this need some distance. I worry that duclair's health doesn't bode well for his contract. I also worry that Roy's coaching style isn't aging so well. These issues have come into contact, but imo are independent of this highly overblown drama.

I'm also not really worried about easily buried contracts with players who may even ltir-retire sooner than we imagine. That's a reality of the sport.

*the* issue is whether nyi need new hockey ops leadership. everything else is a side issue. Seems to me it's time to move on from LL, and that's based on results. Don't care about the drama that comes along the way.
 
I'm also not really worried about easily buried contracts with players who may even ltir-retire sooner than we imagine. That's a reality of the sport.
I think this is something that many are missing with Engvall, Mayfield, Duclair contracts.

While it’s not ideal to have these types of guys on long term deals, they are easily buried. Placing them in the minors saves nearly as much as buying them out.
 
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Could be a case where Roy wasn’t aware of just how bad Duclair was still hurt until they had the conversation before practice.

But Duclair's "injury" isn't the issue - It's his attitude/effort. He's played for NINE (9) different teams already and he's still in his 20's. Do you realize how hard that is to do?

All these teams haven't been trading/letting Duclair go because of his health....And it's not what Roy was talking about the other day when he bashed him.
 

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