Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build
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I think that they will change. It may not be until the end of next years season when Lou keeps running us into the ground.
Maybe then, Malkin ends Lou's tenure here....
Not realistic....
We will not fall enough to pick Hagens
Eiserman, D.Nelson and Hagen (in this scenario) aren't ready for the NHL.
No way Lou buys out anyone. He didn't do it with Bailey, he sure in hell isn't going to that with Mayfield and Engvall with all those years remaining on their deals.
To this day you still have not been able to name an organization who has went through a classic rebuild like you have suggested in the modern day lottery era.
Denial...
- With all their "best" players, the Isles are an 8 seed at best.
- Now Nelson leaves a major hole
- Signing Marner...A longshot at best.
- Getting Hagens...A longshot at best
- The goal isn't to put "asses in the seats" - It's to WIN. As long as Lou is running things we're going to lead us away from that.
What if we make him the highest paid player in the NHL? has to at least open up the conversation.
Thought you said you're never going to reply on this subject again...? And here you are again trying to move the goalposts yet again.
To this day you cannot accept that the last 20 years sn the "Modern day lottery era," and in that timeframe the Blackhawks, Penguins, Lightning, and Avs all did the kind of team building I am suggesting.
You don't want to accept that so do me a favor...Just keep supporting the way things are and leave the rest of us who want actual change and hope to discuss that.
Marner's playoff history, in case anyone is interested. He would lead our team in playoff points by a substantial margin, despite playing less games than Nelson or Barzal. I also seem to remember him playing quite well during the 4 nations tourney.
Is that the bar we're trying to clear around here...? Leading the NEW YORK ISLANDERS forwards playoff points?
Any chance we can bring Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares over here as well with Marner?
When someone has a differing viewpoint than you it doesn't mean they're in denial.
For Malkin, the goal is absolutely 1000% to put asses in the seats - and you do that by selling the idea that there's a chance of winning, either now or in the future. Malkin is Lou's boss and suddenly going to 2 games a month and traveling with the team - he's obviously more concerned with the direction of the team than he's shown in the past.
Hagens is probably the more likely of the two - I have a feeling he's going to drop to 5th-ish and should we not win the lottery, moving up 3 or 4 spots in the draft shouldn't be too costly. Bednarik and a fourth maybe? Really not out of the realm of possibility at all. In all honesty, I'd rather not trade up to take him and I think that we'll get a great player around 9... but I would be 0% surprised if there's a plan to do so.
Marner is more of a reach given our ability to lure top talent in the past for sure. But compared to Panarin or Gaudreau, we have a couple of extra X factors here. There's Martin/Marner's relationship, prior negotiations with Lou, and the fact that a smaller market might be preferable to him after all the shit he's taken in Toronto despite clearly being one of the best players in the league. Of all of the big name FA that will be available in the next couple of seasons, I'd peg him as probably the most likely to sign here.
If I'm Malkin, I'm probably saying go get me these guys. Make the team fun to watch again and get the arena filled back up. And if I'm Lou, I'm probably already thinking that way to try and salvage my job. Either way, we'll see...
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He's actually leading the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS forwards in playoff points and PPG. And he's outproducing all of them during the season right now. But yeah, little guy bad in playoffs narrative will always reign supreme I guess
- We can always win lotto or trade up a couple of picks, it's not really that farfetched - although I'd prefer to just draft where we're at if we're in the top 9.
- This is a lineup for 2026-2027, not next season. Eiserman and Hagens should both be ready after two collegiate seasons.
- Even without the buyouts we have the cap space to do ice that team.
I would give Marner anything up to 15 million per season. He is electric and would instantly be our top player. His play in the playoffs is fine, he is scrutinized because he plays in Toronto and they keep running into juggernauts in the playoffs.
How bout the best on best tournament having a terrific pass on the golden goal? He is fine in big moments.
It's so funny to me how people on this site incessantly whine about not having top talent or not being able to attract top talent, but when you suggest slightly overpaying a guy you can expect those same people to lose their shit.
Market value on Marner is probably around the same as Rantanen, 12.5M - although, if he hits the open market he won't be able to sign an 8 year deal. A team that can only offer 7 years would need to pay 14.3M to match Rantanen's cash...which would make him the highest paid player in hockey, for exactly one season. It's the kind of move that you make if you're a team like us, hoping to re-invigorate an aging roster without NHL ready prospects (but with some on the way).
In order to make that move though, we would likely need to shed Pageau's contract, Varlamov's contract, Engvall and Mayfield's contracts (either by buyout or trade), and then either move one of the aging defensemen or not sign Palmieri. Sounds like a lot, but I think most of that is more or less expected to happen anyway.
I'm definitely on team add elite talent for free. He's definitely a playmaker, but also averages around 30 goals per 82. And he's deadly on the PK. Would be a huge addition to the team
Love the idea and optimism, but there is ZERO chance of moving up 3 spots into the top 5 with Bednarik and a fourth
Yeah I did but you just kept continuing to post the same nonsense as if you have somehow found the magic key.
-Colorado, Pittsburgh, and TB did not build their key pieces in the modern day lottery.
The last time the Penguins had a top ten pick was 2012. Before that was 2006. Tampa Bay has not had a top ten pick since Drouin in 2013. They essentially hit on late draft picks.
You have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about, don't you?
I think we can officially say that Lou put in more effort at the trade deadline than you did in the research of why a full out rebuild would work. Rough.
