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The balls out pie in the sky move I'd love to see is dealing Dobson+ for a top pick, and drafting twice within the top 10 this year. Grab both of the Swedes - Frondell is already playing against men and I bet he comes straight to the NHL next year. Trade Pageau for whatever, and use the 13M you just saved to make an offer Marner can't refuse.

Lee - Horvat - Marner
Duclair - Frondell - Barzal
Tsyplakov- Ritchie - Holmstrom
 
impaaaaaact said:
The balls out pie in the sky move I'd love to see is dealing Dobson+ for a top pick, and drafting twice within the top 10 this year. Grab both of the Swedes - Frondell is already playing against men and I bet he comes straight to the NHL next year. Trade Pageau for whatever, and use the 13M you just saved to make an offer Marner can't refuse.

Lee - Horvat - Marner
Duclair - Frondell - Barzal
Tsyplakov- Ritchie - Holmstrom
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Trade FOR a top pick?

The suggestion alone might cause Lou to spontaneously combust
 
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8EJS9 said:
Isn’t it a standard procedure for a new head coach to bring in his own assistants? What’s the reason that MacLean is still employed? I know it’s probably Lou but it’s not like the power play is top 5 in the league.
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I’m no McLean fan, and Roy should hire who he wants, but the power play woes are more a lack of higher end skill players than coaching

I could coach Edmonton’s or Toronto’s pp
 
Re: Tsyplakov, he’s an adequate middle 6’er. Has some offensive skill, haven’t really seen that shot he flashed in the KHL. I’d go 2.5 at 2 years max.

Re: Engvall, I’d buy him out. He’s not a fit for the bottom 6, and doesn’t provide enough offense for the top 6. His demotions have done nothing to change his game; I’d expect the same. He is what he is.
 
periferal said:
Nah - Don't do a thing the rest of this season. Pray that Lou and Roy get fired and we can start fresh with a GM that knows how to build a team and a coach who is fully invested and not pulling goalies with 12 minutes left.

Last thing I want to do is let Roy get his hands on a young player - Much less burn a year of any ELC to watch a rookie be learning how to play on a team that is essentially Titanic on ice.
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Roy did pretty good in winning/developing players in juniors

Trotz was the guy who had no use for young players

ELC? Different issue
 
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Moving on from Lou’s horrendous contracts for Engvall and Mayfield?
Buyouts? Crazy
Engvall is completely useless, bury him till he goes home, Mayfield should’ve been shopped at the deadline, take back a shorter term shitty contract. Going forward who is taking that deal without a pick attached?
Roy has no use for him and I don’t see his role on any team
Strummergas said:
Gosh, your post makes me all nostalgic for 1999 when the Islander had 4 first round draft picks and Ziggy Palffy!
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Yeah
In one of the worst draft years in 30 years
That just figured
 
Engvall and Mayfield are Lou disasters he should be forced to look at every day. The Isles next season aren't winning a goddamned thing. They shouldn't be buying out anyone. To have money on you cap for a literal decade is such an insane proposition. Lou's gonna consider it because he's bad at his job and it frees up cap space. But in the end, just dump them in the AHL if the situation becomes untenable. Every year they stay down there is two less years a buyout sits on your cap. And again, the Isles aren't close to contending so this shouldn't be an issue.

Dobson trades are hard to pull off, but if you're gonna trade him, it's gotta be for ELITE young players. Target a team like SJ who has a need for a high end piece on the right side of their defense and has a plethora of assets to take from. Start with either Smith or the 2025 1st. Go from there.

The reality is that there's not a single player on this team that should be considered untouchable, sad as it is. A sign of just how poorly they've been run. And how long.
 
Whoever is GM and coach going forward?

Hopefully to modernize how the islanders play, Mayfield somehow has to be gone, moving both will be tough but Pelech/Pulock both can not be on the team. Casey? Clock has hit midnight. Should be moved along, for what he brings, get a younger guy in, ideally internally or cheap externally.

A guy like Tsyplakov? Nice player
He’s really a bottom 6 winger at best, Lou should pay him accordingly, in money and years, no more Engvall specials

This whole thread has become about rebuilding or retooling however you want to term it

End of the day? Perif is right about one thing, what Lou keeps doing? Ain’t the answer

Keep bringing back this group as they get older? They aren’t a nice Cabernet, age ain’t helping this group

I hate to say it, cause when he signed the extension I hated it, but the only old vet I’d consider keeping is Lee, he seems reinvigorated with his new training, and him slotting lower in the lineup? I think he would accept that snd could be useful in a 3/4 line role, for a year or 2
No more
 
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Zeeker said:
The collective fanbase will seemingly never recover from the 90s/00s PTSD
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Ironically, if it really were the 90s/00s, we've got the right man as GM.

But that was a different league entirely, and that's the main problem with our GM. He thinks you can slowly and patiently build a group of players that will mature into champions. When you really have to constantly tweak the roster, year in and year out.
 
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12Dog said:
I’m no McLean fan, and Roy should hire who he wants, but the power play woes are more a lack of higher end skill players than coaching

I could coach Edmonton’s or Toronto’s pp
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All of that is understood but it’s more than the players. They went 0/8 last night that’s literally inexcusable professionals playing up a man for 16 minutes of a 60 minute game
 
Strickland said:
Engvall and Mayfield are Lou disasters he should be forced to look at every day. The Isles next season aren't winning a goddamned thing. They shouldn't be buying out anyone. To have money on you cap for a literal decade is such an insane proposition. Lou's gonna consider it because he's bad at his job and it frees up cap space. But in the end, just dump them in the AHL if the situation becomes untenable. Every year they stay down there is two less years a buyout sits on your cap. And again, the Isles aren't close to contending so this shouldn't be an issue.

Dobson trades are hard to pull off, but if you're gonna trade him, it's gotta be for ELITE young players. Target a team like SJ who has a need for a high end piece on the right side of their defense and has a plethora of assets to take from. Start with either Smith or the 2025 1st. Go from there.

The reality is that there's not a single player on this team that should be considered untouchable, sad as it is. A sign of just how poorly they've been run. And how long.
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Buyouts are not the end of the world. Even if they bought these guys out, they are a pittance on the cap.

WangMustGo said:
For 5 million a year EP40 would be decent. For 11+ million for 8 more years he blows beyond belief.



We don’t know who is available for Dobson. If not Perfetti shoot for high end young talent that is just breaking into the league, not a guy that is damaged goods that is just starting a boat anchor of a contract. The EP40 contract is quickly turning into the worst contract in the league.
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This aged well. Scores the game tying goal against a division rival in a huge game. A goal scorers goal.

Be nice to have one those at a discount. My guess is that discount will evaporate.
 
I’m asking this innocently, do we have any modicum of faith that Lou can’t turn this around?

I ask bc I get the sense he’s going to be here longer than most of us would like.
 
Throttle said:
This aged well. Scores the game tying goal against a division rival in a huge game. A goal scorers goal.

Be nice to have one those at a discount. My guess is that discount will evaporate.
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He also just went through a stretch where he scored 1 goal in 20 games. That's a 4 goal pace. He's an 11.5M goal scorer that just went 15 games straight with no goals. There's a reason people are wary of adding him at his price tag, as he obviously comes with risk
 
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