Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[SI]

Islanders are winning - they are 9-2 in the last 11 games!
I was so sure they were done. They need to grab 3 of the possible 4 points in Florida.

ALSO - DeAngelo played 28 minutes?! tonight.

All this talk about EP40, when I think Miller would be the better fit and costs 3.6 less and with fewer years... might also cost less to acquire.

Here is something to think about (or Flame) -

JT Miller, C, 31, (turning 32 in March) 5 years after this one @ 8 AAV
Tom Willander, RHD, 19, (10th OA pick in 2023) unsigned playing in NCAA
for
Noah Dobson, RHD, 25, RFA next season - projected signed 8x8
Danny Nelson, C, 19, (2nd round pick in 2022) unsigned in NCAA
Pierre Engvall, LW, 5 years after this one @ 3 AAV
2025 2nd round pick

1. Lee - Horvat - Barzal
2. Tsyplakov - Miller - Holmstrom
3. Duclair - Nelson - Palmieri
4. Cizikas - Pageau - ????

OR they could move Miller to LW and Cizikas back to C.

That is a very good forward group!

PS – If it were up to me, I'd rather trade Nelson—or the assets from a Nelson deal—for Miller than give up Dobson.

 

[Isles72]

Islanders are winning - they are 9-2 in the last 11 games!
I was so sure they were done. They need to grab 3 of the possible 4 points in Florida.

ALSO - DeAngelo played 28 minutes?! tonight.

All this talk about EP40, when I think Miller would be the better fit and costs 3.6 less and with fewer years... might also cost less to acquire.

Here is something to think about (or Flame) -

JT Miller, C, 31, (turning 32 in March) 5 years after this one @ 8 AAV
Tom Willander, RHD, 19, (10th OA pick in 2023) unsigned playing in NCAA
for
Noah Dobson, RHD, 25, RFA next season - projected signed 8x8
Danny Nelson, C, 19, (2nd round pick in 2022) unsigned in NCAA
Pierre Engvall, LW, 5 years after this one @ 3 AAV
2025 2nd round pick

1. Lee - Horvat - Barzal
2. Tsyplakov - Miller - Holmstrom
3. Duclair - Nelson - Palmieri
4. Cizikas - Pageau - ????

OR they could move Miller to LW and Cizikas back to C.

That is a very good forward group!

PS – If it were up to me, I'd rather trade Nelson—or the assets from a Nelson deal—for Miller than give up Dobson.

if Perunavich and DeAngelo are part of future plans then trade Dobson at the draft for a good forward .

As good as he is I dont want Miller messing up our locker room

 

[Arsenalogist24]

That is BRUTAL trade for the Flyers.

That’s an actual tanking trade. We’ll see them fall down the standings now. Never should’ve been above us for so long

 

[Rehabguy]

How the team is performing is the most important thing though. So the question is, why does the team perform worse when he's in the lineup than without him? The follow up question is how can the team perform at a higher level with him in the lineup? If the answer is that it can't, then he's a net negative even if he's performing well when he's on the ice. If the answer is that they can, they need to finally do it.

Like most things, I don't think there's a singular reason for it. I do think some of it is what you're mentioning, other players stepping up. A secondary thing is that he logs a lot of ice time, so he's taking time away from everyone else and not necessarily playing a simple game that allows others to get into the flow of the game by giving them touches. He seems to be a very difficult player to play with because of the unique way he wants to play.

If the rest of the team just needs more touches and/or slightly different roles, trading him for a more traditional player could prove to be beneficial for the team as a whole. If the rest of the team can't maintain that level of play for an extended period of time then it'd be unwise to trade him for a potentially worse player.

Instead of sticking our heads in the sand we (or Isles management) should be trying to figure out how and why this is happening, because it has happened over a pretty decent sample size at this point.

You are making the most fundamental error in statistics. Correlation does not equal causation.

That’s like saying every time the sun comes up I notice a leaf falls from the tree. So if we stop the sun from coming up maybe that will solve the problem because our stats show there is a correlation between the two.

Why the team performs worse statistically when Barzal is in the lineup may have nothing to do with Barzal at all. It all be due to chance or there could be other factors that have nothing to do with something Barzal himself is doing.

What if you had an effortometer to determine how hard the rest of the team is playing when Barzal is playing and you notice it goes down because they expect him to take the burden of the teams offense on himself. The problem is not Barzal- it’s the team. It’s a team game.

But someone would look at foolishly as oh that means Barzal is a very flawed player.

It’s ridiculous. If you don’t understand the fundamentals of statistics don’t use them to support your arguments.