Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[MarsTBOW]

Mars, we’re in a 5 game winning streak since Barzy returned from his injury and got his feet up to speed. He’s not McDavid but be glad we have him and at a reasonable price.

I wish Isles fans embraced the positivity that Roy brings to this organization as I have. I’m an Islander fan. I cheer for my team and continue to believe no matter how dire the situation. The odds are stacked against us but players like Barzal are exactly the reason why I believe that anything is possible because oftentimes he makes what appears impossible possible.

Yes, I cannot argue against our 5 Game winning streak.
I just hope Barzy hits another gear someday soon.

 

[Rehabguy]

Yes, I cannot argue against our 5 Game winning streak.
I just hope Barzy hits another gear someday soon.

I can’t “like” right now so

 

[Tahoeblue]

For sh@ts and giggles. Clarke and Byfield please.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

No, as usual, you didn't engage in the argument. You made some vague comments about not trusting stats and wanting to removing outliers, except for the outliers you like. You completely ignored the statistics provided that were presented without any desire to trade or keep Barzal but to have an honest discussion about what is happening on the ice when he's in or out of the lineup.

If the players were switched and Pettersson was drafted by the Islanders and Barzal by the Canucks, people would be defending Pettersson in the same way they're defending Barzal. It's just fandom.

 

[Icelanders]

Pettersson, being such a needle moving star has only played 30 playoff games and there are a few other star players on those teams that out scored him by margin.

Barzal, the overrated hack who couldn’t lead his team anywhere has played 60 playoff games while being their leading scorer over that time.

Weird

 

[MJF]

So you do believe that all things being equal the team is worse of when Barzal is playing for the Isles than when he is not?

I don’t think it matters. Barzal has yet to make a significant difference in our fortunes.

 

[Rehabguy]

Pettersson, being such a needle moving star has only played 30 playoff games and there are a few other star players on those teams that out scored him by margin.

Barzal, the overrated hack who couldn’t lead his team anywhere has played 60 playoff games while being their leading scorer over that time.

Weird

And one of our best playoff performers to boot. Weird indeed

 

[Rehabguy]

If the players were switched and Pettersson was drafted by the Islanders and Barzal by the Canucks, people would be defending Pettersson in the same way they're defending Barzal. It's just fandom.

But they’re not switched and one of them is happy to play for the Islanders with a well deserved contract while the other is dragging his team down having a dispute with a fellow teammate while under a $92M contract. That’s not fandom. That’s the actual situation they are in right now. It is true that fans love their own players. It’s natural but what’s going on in Vancouver is definitely not the norm. I’d stay as far away from it as possible.

I don’t think it matters. Barzal has yet to make a significant difference in our fortunes.

And again how exactly has EP changed the Nucks fortunes because right now it looks like it’s for the worse.

 

[MJF]

And again how exactly has EP changed the Nucks fortunes because right now it looks like it’s for the worse.

That wasn’t in the post I’m responding to.

You do like to move the goalposts.

Hudson Fasching sent down to Bridgeport for conditioning, or until he becomes an NHL player, whichever comes first.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I looked at and posted the numbers with and without Barzal in the lineup (when he was out extended periods of time) and the stats didn't back this up. The team was better in most categories without him if I recall correctly. Here it is again in case you wanted to look at it:

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As I mentioned in the posted I originally supplied that data: I am not a math wiz and was at work being interrupted while looking at some of the data so there could definitely be errors.

I'm not advocating for or against a deal involving the two players, but against this narrative that the team is so much better when he's playing than without. He's a very flawed player, like a few of us have been saying for quite some time, and a select few refuse to acknowledge it (not you).

I haven't looked at any of the Petterson numbers, other than what you provided, but my hesitation with acquiring a player like that is that he seems to be a bit mentally soft. Whether that's a fair judgement or not for me to make I don't know, given we don't know what exactly the dynamic is in that locker room. That said, you need to get talent in order to compete so finding a way to bring in more is always welcome and his age fits better than Miller for this team.

Just one note on the advanced stats, we've been looking at expected this and expected that for a decent chunk of time now but the expectations have rarely ever come to fruition. I think it's useful to tell part of the story but if the expectations never meet reality they're not nearly that important.

Correct me if I’m wrong - this looks like you’re posting numbers you’ve compiled for the performance of the entire team, not just when Barzy is on the ice right?

 

[PK Cronin]

Correct me if I’m wrong - this looks like you’re posting numbers you’ve compiled for the performance of the entire team, not just when Barzy is on the ice right?

That is correct, yes.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

But they’re not switched and one of them is happy to play for the Islanders with a well deserved contract while the other is dragging his team down having a dispute with a fellow teammate while under a $92M contract. That’s not fandom. That’s the actual situation they are in right now. It is true that fans love their own players. It’s natural but what’s going on in Vancouver is definitely not the norm. I’d stay as far away from it as possible.

Valid, but nothing to do with the statistical difference.