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periferal said:
"A rebuild will destroy this fanbase," they said....







More like Lou is doing the "destroying"...As well as player morale at the same time.

What a joke. Don't know how anyone can defend a President/GM whose work has led to this - And most disappointing is that the owner of this franchise hasn't taken action yet.
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What's uncalled for is having a 7:30pm game on a holiday Monday. Ridiculous. I don't know if that's Lou or someone else, but it's bad for attendance.
 
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Was thinking about what a Sorokin trade might look like.

Buffalo has been searching for their #1 forever and they have a bit of a leadership issue. We have a nice younger player to offer and thought of something like this:

Sorokin
George
Cizikas

for

Samuelsson
Ostlund
Rosen

Why? We save cap, get younger, skilled prospects for the offense. Samuelsson takes over George's spot for now and is still only 24-years old. He also allows us to shop Pelech since we have depth on LD in our system in the future. Rosen's numbers in Rochester are excellent and Ostlund has a skill set we need in the system.

Why does Buffalo do it? Solves the #1 goalie (their GAA is over 3.4 for the season), gives them a young LD to replace Samuelsson at a cheaper cost (Buffalo has Power, Dahlin and Byram as LHD already, so George isn't counted on to step into big minutes right away. Cizikas brings experience to their bottom-6. Buffalo hasn't been able to find a winning formula yet, even with a load of young talent. Time to change the locker room there.

Buffalo has cap space for now and only Peterka to sign this summer at a good raise.

Thoughts? I might put this on the Trade Forum
 
Schaefer now the unanimous #1 according to Bobby Margs scout poll. Hagens got 7/10 votes for #2. Is this Schaefer guy that good? Not sure how much enthusiasm I have about picking a LD at #1 if we ended up winning the lotto.

1. Schaefer
2. Hagens
3. Misa
4. Martone
5. Frondell
6. Desnoyers
7. McQueen
8. Eklund
9. O'Brien
10. Smith
 
leeroggy said:
Was thinking about what a Sorokin trade might look like.

Buffalo has been searching for their #1 forever and they have a bit of a leadership issue. We have a nice younger player to offer and thought of something like this:

Sorokin
George
Cizikas

for

Samuelsson
Ostlund
Rosen

Why? We save cap, get younger, skilled prospects for the offense. Samuelsson takes over George's spot for now and is still only 24-years old. He also allows us to shop Pelech since we have depth on LD in our system in the future. Rosen's numbers in Rochester are excellent and Ostlund has a skill set we need in the system.

Why does Buffalo do it? Solves the #1 goalie (their GAA is over 3.4 for the season), gives them a young LD to replace Samuelsson at a cheaper cost (Buffalo has Power, Dahlin and Byram as LHD already, so George isn't counted on to step into big minutes right away. Cizikas brings experience to their bottom-6. Buffalo hasn't been able to find a winning formula yet, even with a load of young talent. Time to change the locker room there.

Buffalo has cap space for now and only Peterka to sign this summer at a good raise.

Thoughts? I might put this on the Trade Forum
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Sorokin blocks it with his full NMC.
 
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SI said:
I had some time this morning, so here is my NHL hockey blog post - hope you enjoy the read -


The rumour mill is heating up as speculation builds around the potential for Lou Lamoriello and the New York Islanders to make a bold move for JT Miller. The Canucks forward seems destined to be moved (and moved to an eastern conference team)—it’s not a question of if but when. As the trade deadline approaches, several teams are reportedly circling, but the Islanders may be uniquely positioned to pull off a deal that addresses their immediate and long-term needs.

The New York Rangers have been linked to Miller, with a package rumoured to include Filip Chytil, pending UFA Ryan Lindgren, and a conditional first-round pick. In my opinion, this offer is underwhelming and leaves room for other teams to present stronger packages.

The New Jersey Devils, for instance, don’t have a 2025 first-round pick to trade but could dangle young talent like Seamus Casey, Anton Silayev, or Simon Nemec. However, their primary need seems to be a third-line center rather than another top-three forward, which could make someone like Scott Laughton a better fit for them.

Carolina is another team lurking in the shadows. They have a first-round pick and a deep prospect pool, but the rumour of a package involving Jack Roslovic (pending UFA) and Jesperi Kotkaniemi is also beatable.

Lamoriello’s history suggests he won’t be content with a short-term rental. He prefers acquiring players who can contribute both today and tomorrow, as evidenced by previous trades for Bo Horvat, Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Kyle Palmieri, and Alexander Romanov. The Islanders’ roster feels stagnant after two underwhelming seasons, and it’s clear that Lou cannot bring back the same group if he hopes to push the team into serious contention.

While Lamoriello’s loyalty to his players is well-known, he has made tough decisions before. Josh Bailey and Leo Komarov are examples, and there are questions about whether Cal Clutterbuck—who did not return or retire last offseason—was quietly pushed out. Brock Nelson could be next, especially if Lamoriello decides to capitalize on his current value.

The Canucks’ disappointing season—despite remaining in the playoff race—has led to rumours that management might prioritize futures over NHL-ready players in a Miller trade. This could open the door for Lamoriello to craft a compelling package.

One plausible scenario involves Nelson being traded to Dallas, where he could help solidify their depth. In return, the Islanders could acquire a package including Mavrik Bourque and a 2025 first-round pick. These assets, along with Danny Nelson and Pierre Engvall (to balance the salary), could be flipped to Vancouver for JT Miller.

This trade would give the Canucks two 2025 first-round picks and two strong prospects in Bourque and Danny Nelson to soften the blow of losing Miller. The Islanders, meanwhile, would upgrade their roster by adding Miller, whose age (30) and contract (five years at $8 million AAV) align well with their core.

While the fanbase would likely be upset about losing promising young forward Danny Nelson, it’s worth noting that he’s been impressive and has a high ceiling. However, the Islanders have a history of prospects excelling at the World Juniors but struggling to make the NHL cut—examples include Kieffer Bellows and Oliver Wahlstrom. This could be another case of selling high, similar to the trade involving Aatu Raty.

Looking ahead, the Islanders face significant challenges in improving their roster via free agency. Historically, the team has struggled to attract top-tier UFAs, and the upcoming offseason doesn’t offer many viable options. Mitch Marner and Mikko Rantanen are expected to command $12-13 million, Brock Boeser seems destined for Minnesota, and Nikolaj Ehlers is one of the few realistic upgrades available. Given these limitations, trades remain the most likely avenue for Lamoriello to bolster the team. This potential deal for Miller could be a key part of that strategy.

Notably, the Islanders would still own their own 2025 first-round pick, which could be a top-10 selection. Additionally, moving Kyle Palmieri could bring in more futures to help offset the loss of young talent like Danny Nelson.

It’s also important to note that Canucks GM Patrik Allvin and Lou Lamoriello have a trade history, having worked together on the Horvat deal. This relationship could play a pivotal role in facilitating another blockbuster trade.

If Lamoriello pulls off this move, the Islanders’ forward group would gain a significant boost. A power play anchored by Mathew Barzal, Horvat, and Miller in a 1-3-1 setup could address a longstanding weakness. The team’s top-eight forwards would include Miller, Barzal, Horvat, Anders Lee, Anthony Duclair, Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Dmitri Tsyplakov, and Simon Holmstrom. Depending on the cap situation, the Isles might still have room to pursue a right winger via free agency or trade.

This move wouldn’t come without its risks. Trading Brock Nelson would undoubtedly rattle the Islanders’ fanbase and shake up the locker room. However, Miller represents a clear upgrade and a player who could inject new energy into an organization in need of a jolt. Lamoriello has never shied away from bold moves, and this could be the kind of shakeup that reinvigorates the Islanders.

While the Islanders’ history of success in free agency has been mixed, trades have consistently been Lamoriello’s preferred avenue for significant roster changes. Adding JT Miller could be the kind of statement move that positions the Islanders as a more formidable contender in the Eastern Conference. Whether or not this trade materializes, one thing is certain: Lou Lamoriello is not one to sit idly by when there’s an opportunity to improve his team.
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Not sure where you get your information but Miller will be turning 32 in about a month and half with five more years after this year at 8 million do you think that contact is going to be worth it in a couple years, and isn’t the idea of trading Nelson to get younger.
 
mm11 said:
Ya losing seasons suck.
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They suck less when you're young and building something (see Canadiens, Montreal)


They suck the most when you're aging, not that talented, and your GM won't stop doubling-down on the same path that is leading to losing seasons (see Islanders, New York).
 
"'Just get into the playoffs and maybe…' is not strategy. Upsets happen. But more often you watch the Final and Florida and Edmonton are playing a sport unrecognizable from your favorite team. Better off retooling, getting younger, faster, better."


This quote says it all for me. It's better to be very good, or very bad. This aging and average/poor roster and cap situation are just the worst place to be.

People often confuse hope with reality, but you need to choose reality if you're going to ultimately contend. And if we're being honest (not just hopeful), but this team isn't getting near a Cup without a serious influx of young/elite talent (and letting it mature).
 
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Lame Lambert said:
Wahhh people don't want to spend $40 on parking and $50 on mixed drinks to watch a bunch of spoiled millionaires mail it in every night. Keep crying Mat.
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I'm not going to assume this has anything to do with him and his feelings about fans. Mat's a competitor and this may just be him reflecting on how poorly they've played and caused this situation.
 
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LeapOnOver said:
I'm not going to assume this has anything to do with him and his feelings about fans. Mat's a competitor and this may just be him reflecting on how poorly they've played and caused this situation.
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Correct, #13 perhaps was pissed at himself and the team as being a joke. The joke squad produced low attendance. Losing sucks and safe to assume it's not a fun locker room.
 
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PK Cronin said:
I don't know the asks or anything like that so I won't comment on whether or not the offers are realistic but my issue with the trade is that Miller is too old for me. I'd want the team to get younger, not hover around the 30 year age mark. That still puts the team in a win-now mode, which means there would be more deals like that in the future and that will hurt the future. I think there's a smarter way to dismantle this team, collect assets and talent, while getting younger to create a larger window than the one or two years a player like Miller would give us.
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I agree with you, but how little control we have in who is running the team, if Malkin is going to stay put with LL and LL is going to stay the course with this core....then it's not a bad move I think.

Obviously I say this from a position of having no control in what happens. If Lou is going to continue to go for it....then not doing anything to improve the roster is not really a better option. I guess to put it more clearly this is what I would want to happen in order:
1. Trade Palms, Nelson, Pageau for prospects and draft capital and retool on the fly
2. Go after big players to improve the current roster
3. do nothing and hope this season was an aberration because you have 'faith in this core'.
 
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MikeyMike01 said:
Those are teams I would have very little interest in watching. They’re all western conference teams.
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So we have a different in opinion that’s ok.. There is only one chance per year to see guys like Mackinnon.Makar.Rantanem,Eichel,Stone,Hanifan,Pietrangelo, and Dallas has great young players Heiskenen,Johnston,Robertson ,Hintz . For 10 bucks to see them on full ice instead of just the tv camera is great entertainment .Its not like we are or will be in a playoff race . Anyway after one period see where the light sections are and move down even if it costs another $10 tip for the usher.. There is always the chance that one of those 3 teams leave UBS with Brock Nelson or someone else after a nice trade with Don Cor Lou oni…
 
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