Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[impaaaaaact]

I agree. The common refrain around here is we’re too old and slow, too many bad contracts, and always trade away 1sts. And now it’s ‘trade away the 1st and fast youth D Nelson for a guy with a bad contract!’ WTF???

Just like calling D Nelson untouchable after 5 tourney games, calling Petterson’s contract bad feels like recency bias. He’s a 26 year old center who is PPG for his career, including a 100 point season. His contract is correct if he returns to form away from the Vancouver media circus (which again, ours is not comparable to…we’re not even the second largest hockey market in our region), he’s the kind of player you can only acquire in a situation like this.

Definitely do not trade the first, Eiserman, or Finley. Guys like Jefferies and Nelson (C tier prospects) have to be available in opportunities like this.

 

[leeroggy]

Just like calling D Nelson untouchable after 5 tourney games, calling Petterson’s contract bad feels like recency bias. He’s a 26 year old center who is PPG for his career, including a 100 point season. His contract is correct if he returns to form away from the Vancouver media circus (which again, ours is not comparable to…we’re not even the second largest hockey market in our region), he’s the kind of player you can only acquire in a situation like this.

Definitely do not trade the first, Eiserman, or Finley. Guys like Jefferies and Nelson (C tier prospects) have to be available in opportunities like this.

Did Danny Nelson take a dump in your soup bowl? Yeesh
He's also having a fine year at ND.
C prospect?
He's Joel Otto without the fisticuffs in my opinion and looking like an excellent 3C to replace JGP

 

[YearlyLottery]

Did Danny Nelson take a dump in your soup bowl? Yeesh
He's also having a fine year at ND.
C prospect?
He's Joel Otto without the fisticuffs in my opinion and looking like an excellent 3C to replace JGP

Just to add onto this point I would hope that no prospect is unavailable if they were to bring in a 100 point player. There was a time in the final Tavares years where there were rumors about the Islanders wanting Duchene but Barzal being the hold up in that deal. After Barzal's rookie year there were plenty of "told ya so's" in regards to not trading elite prospects.

I wonder if there is a timeline where the Islanders do make that trade, do lock up Duchene and Tavares before free agency, and Trotz still comes in with Tavares and Duchene on this roster.

My point is that looking back a Barzal (elite prospect) for Duchene trade (if he came with a contract) would not have been a terrible deal at all. So the poster you quoted saying Eiserman should be off the table and Finley should be off the table is incorrect in my opinion. If they can bring back a disgruntled 100 point player you do it.

Horvat was brought in here because Vancouver chose JT Miller over him. It seems as if they are banding around JT Miller yet again over yet another homegrown star.

Any elite talent brought in will have question marks as it is the only way elite talent gets dealt. If you get elite talent here while also dealing away Brock Nelson, Kyle Palmieri, and deciding to trade Lee/Pageau in the offseason this is all fair game.

 

[Glorydays22]

This convinced me that the best course of action is to trade for Pettersson.

lol, I hope you are wrong....

 

[Glorydays22]

Ok, so let's trade all our young talent for Pettersson and stay in cap hell. Our team with consist of:

Petterrson - 11.7M
Brazal - 9.15M
Horvat - 8.5M
Sorokin - 8.25M
Pulock- 6.15M
Pelech - 5.75M
Duclair - 3.5
Mayfield - 3.5
56.6M

Romanov, Holmstrom, Tysplakov needing new deals - that's what around another 18M - 5M for Romanov, 4 for the other 2? Maybe 20M all together?

Now we are at 74.6M or 76.M for 11 players of a 23 player roster. If the cap goes up to 92M, we have 17.4 or 15.4 for the remaining 12 players.

And do we get so much better? By 1 player and losing youngs, picks and Dobson? This roster still had plenty of holes to me.

Everyone (well most) of us here have been screaming about breaking down this roster and getting a bunch of young talent and picks to upgrade our system and roster. What happened? We have a pouting star player in Van who players and GMs are calling out and we are ready to hand over everything for him? Van needs to move either EP or Miller. Isn't it telling that they are more inclined to move a 26 yr old SUPERSTAR and keeping a 31 yr old player in Miller???

I can see it now, sometime next year guys here will be complaining just like we have with Tavares (when he was here) and Brazal. Same story and I'll be sure to remind you guys where it happens again.

Good organizations build through the draft and youngsters. Build a solid core throughout the system. Guess we will never be that

 

[The Real JT]

…So the poster you quoted saying Eiserman should be off the table and Finley should be off the table is incorrect in my opinion. If they can bring back a disgruntled 100 point player you do it.

Horvat was brought in here because Vancouver chose JT Miller over him. It seems as if they are banding around JT Miller yet again over yet another homegrown star.

Any elite talent brought in will have question marks as it is the only way elite talent gets dealt. If you get elite talent here while also dealing away Brock Nelson, Kyle Palmieri, and deciding to trade Lee/Pageau in the offseason this is all fair game.

Disagree on Eiserman.

I’d say he’s basically untouchable. Not because he’s a sure fire star but because he’s literally the only high ceiling prospect in our cupboard right now.

Of course we have several other valuable prospects with NHL potential but I stand by what I said.

 

[Big L]

Just like calling D Nelson untouchable after 5 tourney games, calling Petterson’s contract bad feels like recency bias.

$11.7 is a lot for any player with potential issues.

 

[Throttle]

Point a game 26yr olds don’t grow on trees and certainly hoping for one with the ideal cap hit, salary, term, and all the other trimmings, let alone playing for the burbanites is a bit of a moonshot.

I’m gonna lmao when Petterrsen gets traded to NYR and lights it up while Isles fandom quadruples down on all the reasons to not want such a player.

But, there’s the $9M ice skater that gets ‘excited’ and just needs 21 different players to play with. Too funny.

 

[The Real JT]

Point a game 26yr olds don’t grow on trees and certainly hoping for one with the ideal cap hit, salary, term, and all the other trimmings, let alone playing for the burbanites is a bit of a moonshot.

I’m gonna lmao when Petterrsen gets traded to NYR and lights it up while Isles fandom quadruples down on all the reasons to not want such a player.

But, there’s the $9M ice skater that gets ‘excited’ and just needs 21 different players to play with. Too funny.

Agree that EP could be a home run for a team like the Rags but obviously very risky as well.

Maybe Laf + Chytil + pick or Othmann? Rags fans would scoff at giving up that much but since when are they reasonable.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Point a game 26yr olds don’t grow on trees and certainly hoping for one with the ideal cap hit, salary, term, and all the other trimmings, let alone playing for the burbanites is a bit of a moonshot.

I’m gonna lmao when Petterrsen gets traded to NYR and lights it up while Isles fandom quadruples down on all the reasons to not want such a player.

But, there’s the $9M ice skater that gets ‘excited’ and just needs 21 different players to play with. Too funny.

If we could send #13 for Petterrsen would be the best thing (Would be more involved than that)...
I wonder if Vancouver bites on that?

 

[Chockey22]

Pettersen is no longer the 100 pt player from a couple of seasons ago; every Canuck fan will tell you that. Some suggest he has a chronic injury that still affects him, in addition to his sensitivities to a dysfunctional locker room. I’m not opposed to the Isles trading for him, depending on what they have to give up, because he still a very good player, but he’s not what he once was, or what he is paid to be. And if the ‘25 first is part of the deal, that should be a non-starter

 

[YearlyLottery]

Disagree on Eiserman.

I’d say he’s basically untouchable. Not because he’s a sure fire star but because he’s literally the only high ceiling prospect in our cupboard right now.

Of course we have several other valuable prospects with NHL potential but I stand by what I said.

They are well on their way to getting another high ceiling prospect this offseason. If Lou does what is right they should be able to draft another 1-2 solid prospects or well. Look, I am not saying to trade anything for EP but I am saying Cole Eiserman should not be the stopping point.

That being said Dobson should be the centerpiece around the deal in my opinion. I am fine getting EP as long as they actually deal away Nelson and Palmieri in separate deals.

 

[seabass45]

Barzal for Petterson makes far more sense, if you want a reset of the core and you’re betting that Petterson is having a down year because the situation is miserable over there. Trading Dobson for him just seems like a weird allocation of resources unless you plan to trade one of the centers for a different need. We already have a bit of a logjam where we’re putting natural centers in off-positions.

I’ll also note that a lot of teams could have interest in Dobson but that doesn’t mean there’s a fit for a trade.

 

[MJF]

They are well on their way to getting another high ceiling prospect this offseason. If Lou does what is right they should be able to draft another 1-2 solid prospects or well. Look, I am not saying to trade anything for EP but I am saying Cole Eiserman should not be the stopping point.

That being said Dobson should be the centerpiece around the deal in my opinion. I am fine getting EP as long as they actually deal away Nelson and Palmieri in separate deals.

We’re a Sorokin back tweak away from finishing last in the league. If Lou does nothing bit sell at the deadline we should finish around bottom 4, provided nobody here goes on a heater.

Do not trade our 1st round pick.

 

[YearlyLottery]

We’re a Sorokin back tweak away from finishing last in the league. If Lou does nothing bit sell at the deadline we should finish around bottom 4, provided nobody here goes on a heater.

Do not trade our 1st round pick.

I would not trade the 1st either. I also do not see Vancouver dealing EP at the deadline though. In this make believe world where the Isles could grab him the offseason would be the time where it made sense. Otherwise trade Nelson, trade Palmieri, trade Cizikas, and see what options are available in the offseason with a good amount of cap space.

Rosner reporting Vancouver is interested in Dobson. Yes, yes, and yes. Dobson is not an elite talent and EP is.

 

[Throttle]

I would not trade the 1st either. I also do not see Vancouver dealing EP at the deadline though. In this make believe world where the Isles could grab him the offseason would be the time where it made sense. Otherwise trade Nelson, trade Palmieri, trade Cizikas, and see what options are available in the offseason with a good amount of cap space.

Rosner reporting Vancouver is interested in Dobson. Yes, yes, and yes. Dobson is not an elite talent and EP is.

The offseason makes sense for every team interested bc you can clear cap a bunch easier. Making the move now helps both teams.

Vancouver solves their EP and dressing room issue. Isles move on from an overpaid underperformed that’s not doing much to help the team win, special teams, OT, shootout, etc.

The time to strike is now.

 

[seabass45]

I think a lot of teams would be interested in Dobson so I’m not sure how much smoke there is here (and i’m generally skeptical of Rosner having sources).

 

[Glory Days]

I think a lot of teams would be interested in Dobson so I’m not sure how much smoke there is here (and i’m generally skeptical of Rosner having sources).

Given how secretive Lou is I doubt Rosner has any sources inside the Isles.

 

[impaaaaaact]

They are well on their way to getting another high ceiling prospect this offseason. If Lou does what is right they should be able to draft another 1-2 solid prospects or well. Look, I am not saying to trade anything for EP but I am saying Cole Eiserman should not be the stopping point.

That being said Dobson should be the centerpiece around the deal in my opinion. I am fine getting EP as long as they actually deal away Nelson and Palmieri in separate deals.

A bottom 5 team should probably have more than one high ceiling prospect.

Did Danny Nelson take a dump in your soup bowl? Yeesh
He's also having a fine year at ND.
C prospect?
He's Joel Otto without the fisticuffs in my opinion and looking like an excellent 3C to replace JGP

A potential 3C is just not a hill that I'm dying on in terms of bringing in a potential superstar. He's just that; a fine prospect. Probably like a 40% chance to become an NHLer. I think our prospect pool has just been so bad for so long that he seems to be getting overblown over here.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Oliver Wahlstrom 5 games , 0 points , 17 PIMS in Boston with a couple healthy scratch nights. Let’s play the waivers date game . I’ll go first . Hmmmm. 1/12/25 why not …LGI

 

[Tahoeblue]

I think Barzal and EP on the same roster feels redundant to me.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I think Barzal and EP on the same roster feels redundant to me.

In Petterson's lowest scoring year he had 27 goals in 68 games (32 goal pace). In Barzal's highest scoring year he had 23 goals in 80 games. Not the same.

 

[Torrey Redux]

Given how secretive Lou is I doubt Rosner has any sources inside the Isles.

Isn't it amazing how the rest of the league gets business done - and far better than the Isles do - without all of the cloak and dagger bullshit?

 

[IslesNorway]

The last thing this team needs is another player on a long term deal.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Ok, so let's trade all our young talent for Pettersson and stay in cap hell. Our team with consist of:

Petterrson - 11.7M
Brazal - 9.15M
Horvat - 8.5M
Sorokin - 8.25M
Pulock- 6.15M
Pelech - 5.75M
Duclair - 3.5
Mayfield - 3.5
56.6M

Romanov, Holmstrom, Tysplakov needing new deals - that's what around another 18M - 5M for Romanov, 4 for the other 2? Maybe 20M all together?

Now we are at 74.6M or 76.M for 11 players of a 23 player roster. If the cap goes up to 92M, we have 17.4 or 15.4 for the remaining 12 players.

And do we get so much better? By 1 player and losing youngs, picks and Dobson? This roster still had plenty of holes to me.

Everyone (well most) of us here have been screaming about breaking down this roster and getting a bunch of young talent and picks to upgrade our system and roster. What happened? We have a pouting star player in Van who players and GMs are calling out and we are ready to hand over everything for him? Van needs to move either EP or Miller. Isn't it telling that they are more inclined to move a 26 yr old SUPERSTAR and keeping a 31 yr old player in Miller???

I can see it now, sometime next year guys here will be complaining just like we have with Tavares (when he was here) and Brazal. Same story and I'll be sure to remind you guys where it happens again.

Good organizations build through the draft and youngsters. Build a solid core throughout the system. Guess we will never be that

This guy really hates Pettersson.

It's definitely the right move to trade for him.