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Sparksrus3

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An informal poll based on these latest takes:

Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Half Full: 0.01%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Half Empty: 24.99%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Empty: 74.99%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Actually Aluminum: 0.01% (answered when he put the 'brownie' down)

I want y’all to know As a fan since black and white tv , Cablevision with the brown box with the wire back to the box on the tv with the 16 up channels 16 down channels and scrambled porn that might just clear up long enough to see a little something if you pushed 2 channels in at the same time

I drink straight from the bottle. What percent is that ?
 
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Throttle

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Counterpoint: trade the 1st this year to go get a top 6 winger/puck moving defenseman to go win a cup if the opportunity exists
Legit point: The only value pick in the 20s during the Lou era is Johnston (he was already gone when Isles would have picked) and Miller (Isles got Dobson and never gonna make it Wally higher up the board thanks to Weight).

That 2021 pick, which ended being 28th, was shipped to NJ and the Isles got Zajac/Palms is a 100% win now move. Isles got a lot value out of that trade. NJs use of that pick, Chase Stillman…hasn’t seen NHL ice yet (and maybe never).
 

Osakahaus

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Legit point: The only value pick in the 20s during the Lou era is Johnston (he was already gone when Isles would have picked) and Miller (Isles got Dobson and never gonna make it Wally higher up the board thanks to Weight).

That 2021 pick, which ended being 28th, was shipped to NJ and the Isles got Zajac/Palms is a 100% win now move. Isles got a lot value out of that trade. NJs use of that pick, Chase Stillman…hasn’t seen NHL ice yet (and maybe never).
If we're going to be VERY honest, a first round pick in the 20's is very pointless. if you're the islanders, and lets say there's a good player being tossed around for a 1st or 2nd (Lets assume it's someone like Maccelli or Sharangovich), then you make that deal and you try to bolster that roster. We want a cup. I want to keep Eiserman but not every pick will be an Eiserman.
 

Throttle

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If we're going to be VERY honest, a first round pick in the 20's is very pointless. if you're the islanders, and lets say there's a good player being tossed around for a 1st or 2nd (Lets assume it's someone like Maccelli or Sharangovich), then you make that deal and you try to bolster that roster. We want a cup. I want to keep Eiserman but not every pick will be an Eiserman.
Eiserman is/was also a falling player - most of those rarely pan out. But, there’s a bright side it will. Color me skeptical.
 

Osakahaus

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Eiserman is/was also a falling player - most of those rarely pan out. But, there’s a bright side it will. Color me skeptical.
I think eiserman fell because of skating, but I think the skill is there. Lets hope he develops strongly either way.
 
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sabremike

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An informal poll based on these latest takes:

Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Half Full: 0.01%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Half Empty: 24.99%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Empty: 74.99%
Isles Posters Who Believe the Glass is Actually Aluminum: 0.01% (answered when he put the 'brownie' down)
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Chapin Landvogt

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If we're going to be VERY honest, a first round pick in the 20's is very pointless. if you're the islanders, and lets say there's a good player being tossed around for a 1st or 2nd (Lets assume it's someone like Maccelli or Sharangovich), then you make that deal and you try to bolster that roster. We want a cup. I want to keep Eiserman but not every pick will be an Eiserman.

Hmmm, "pointless" would seem to be the wrong word here.

I mean, these picks haven't been pointless to, say, Washington. Have they hit on all their picks in the 20s? Absolutely not. But here are some of the hits they've had since 2004.

2004: Jeff Schultz 27, Mike Green 29
2006: Sergei Varlamov 23
2008: John Carlson 27
2009: Marcus Johansson 24
2010: Evgeny Kuznetzov 26
2013: Andre Burkovsky 23
2015: Ilya Samsonov 22

And these three guys below are still in their "breaking in" phase since the 2019 draft, with the early returns looking pretty nice:
Connor McMichael 25, Hendrix Laperriere 22, and Ivan Miroshnichenko 20.

I mean, I sure wouldn't have minded seeing the Isles make all these pointless picks. Washington practically built their Cup-winning team on them.

Fact is, a good scouting staff finds players EVERYWHERE in the draft, and especially throughout the first two rounds. There is enough talent being produced worldwide nowadays.

CAVEAT:
This is not an argument against trading first rounders. They are a serious commodity and at some point, pushing yourself over the edge in the direction of a Stanley Cup usually always comes with moving a few.

But these picks have value and are never pointless, certainly not because they're in the tail end of the first round.

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PS) Despite the incredible trend of grammatical nonsense that has been going on for years now, an apostrophe was never intended to indicate the plural for a number range or an abbreviation.

For example, it's "The GMs" and "The 20s" and "View the GTCs".

The overwhelming chief use of the apostrophe was always intended to indicate possession, and not plurals.

Names like the Oakland A's show the exception as the team name is "Athletics" and the apostrophe is used here to simply indicate that all letters between "A" and "s" are being excluded for brevity. It likely would have been smarter to use something else for these situations, like A/s, because now folks all over the place seem to think it's legit to indicate plural using an apostrophe.

Which is hogwash.
 
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Osakahaus

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And these three guys below are still in their "breaking in" phase since the 2019 draft, with the early returns looking pretty nice:
Connor McMichael 25, Hendrix Laperriere 22, and Ivan Miroshnichenko 20.

I mean, I sure wouldn't have minded seeing the Isles make all these pointless picks. Washington practically built their Cup-winning team on them.

Fact is, a good scouting staff finds players EVERYWHERE in the draft, and especially throughout the first two rounds. There is enough talent being produced worldwide nowadays.
This point is correct as well. My only reason is that if i'm the islanders, this can "realistically" be our last shot at a cup with guys like Nelson, Lee, Palmieri, and maybe even Pulock and Pelech. We could really use an upgrade on defense or on the 2nd line, but the islanders can also do that in the draft. this season will be one where they can have both options happen, where a solid season means adding in a controllable and strong piece to bolster the roster, or trading away their long time players for more firsts to build further down the line in the future.
 

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This point is correct as well. My only reason is that if i'm the islanders, this can "realistically" be our last shot at a cup with guys like Nelson, Lee, Palmieri, and maybe even Pulock and Pelech. We could really use an upgrade on defense or on the 2nd line, but the islanders can also do that in the draft. this season will be one where they can have both options happen, where a solid season means adding in a controllable and strong piece to bolster the roster, or trading away their long time players for more firsts to build further down the line in the future.
The Isles have no shot at the cup with the current roster and are far more than one player away from seriously competing. Trading a 1st to get a 2nd liner or top 4 dman is not gonna move the needle.
 

The Real JT

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The Isles have no shot at the cup with the current roster and are far more than one player away from seriously competing. Trading a 1st to get a 2nd liner or top 4 dman is not gonna move the needle.
That’s a somber take for a season that hasn’t even started but…. Yeah, what he said.
 

iggy

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The Isles have no shot at the cup with the current roster and are far more than one player away from seriously competing. Trading a 1st to get a 2nd liner or top 4 dman is not gonna move the needle.
Trading a 1st + for Ehlers will really move the needle.
 
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Throttle

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Hmmm, "pointless" would seem to be the wrong word here.

I mean, these picks haven't been pointless to, say, Washington. Have they hit on all their picks in the 20s? Absolutely not. But here are some of the hits they've had since 2004.

2004: Jeff Schultz 27, Mike Green 29
2006: Sergei Varlamov 23
2008: John Carlson 27
2009: Marcus Johansson 24
2010: Evgeny Kuznetzov 26
2013: Andre Burkovsky 23
2015: Ilya Samsonov 22

And these three guys below are still in their "breaking in" phase since the 2019 draft, with the early returns looking pretty nice:
Connor McMichael 25, Hendrix Laperriere 22, and Ivan Miroshnichenko 20.

I mean, I sure wouldn't have minded seeing the Isles make all these pointless picks. Washington practically built their Cup-winning team on them.

Fact is, a good scouting staff finds players EVERYWHERE in the draft, and especially throughout the first two rounds. There is enough talent being produced worldwide nowadays.

CAVEAT:
This is not an argument against trading first rounders. They are a serious commodity and at some point, pushing yourself over the edge in the direction of a Stanley Cup usually always comes with moving a few.

But these picks have value and are never pointless, certainly not because they're in the tail end of the first round.

***
PS) Despite the incredible trend of grammatical nonsense that has been going on for years now, an apostrophe was never intended to indicate the plural for a number range or an abbreviation.

For example, it's "The GMs" and "The 20s" and "View the GTCs".

The overwhelming chief use of the apostrophe was always intended to indicate possession, and not plurals.

Names like the Oakland A's show the exception as the team name is "Athletics" and the apostrophe is used here to simply indicate that all letters between "A" and "s" are being excluded for brevity. It likely would have been smarter to use something else for these situations, like A/s, because now folks all over the place seem to think it's legit to indicate plural using an apostrophe.

Which is hogwash.
The Isles used their picks to increase their chances of winning during a competitive window, a precursor/trial period for UFA-to bes, and accelerating and guaranteeing development of a pick. One can argue the return on those picks was well spent.

One can also find a number of teams picking late in the first and getting no to minimal value back.
 

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Realistically I think the team will be in a bit of a holding pattern until they make a decision on Nelson/Palmieri and decide whether Lee/Pageau are worth keeping or getting rid of. And with that being said keeping the picks and restocking the cupboard was the right move.
Well I think the decision on Nelson and Palms will be where we are in the standings, so if we are in top3/WC we're keeping (my guess is signing Nelson) but Pageau and Lee are filling out their terms and then that's that.

But in the offseason up ahead, regardless if we win the cup or miss the playoffs I want to move on from Palms and use his salary for another forward.
 

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Hmmm, "pointless" would seem to be the wrong word here.

I mean, these picks haven't been pointless to, say, Washington. Have they hit on all their picks in the 20s? Absolutely not. But here are some of the hits they've had since 2004.

2004: Jeff Schultz 27, Mike Green 29
2006: Sergei Varlamov 23
2008: John Carlson 27
2009: Marcus Johansson 24
2010: Evgeny Kuznetzov 26
2013: Andre Burkovsky 23
2015: Ilya Samsonov 22

And these three guys below are still in their "breaking in" phase since the 2019 draft, with the early returns looking pretty nice:
Connor McMichael 25, Hendrix Laperriere 22, and Ivan Miroshnichenko 20.

I mean, I sure wouldn't have minded seeing the Isles make all these pointless picks. Washington practically built their Cup-winning team on them.

Fact is, a good scouting staff finds players EVERYWHERE in the draft, and especially throughout the first two rounds. There is enough talent being produced worldwide nowadays.

CAVEAT:
This is not an argument against trading first rounders. They are a serious commodity and at some point, pushing yourself over the edge in the direction of a Stanley Cup usually always comes with moving a few.

But these picks have value and are never pointless, certainly not because they're in the tail end of the first round.

***
PS) Despite the incredible trend of grammatical nonsense that has been going on for years now, an apostrophe was never intended to indicate the plural for a number range or an abbreviation.

For example, it's "The GMs" and "The 20s" and "View the GTCs".

The overwhelming chief use of the apostrophe was always intended to indicate possession, and not plurals.

Names like the Oakland A's show the exception as the team name is "Athletics" and the apostrophe is used here to simply indicate that all letters between "A" and "s" are being excluded for brevity. It likely would have been smarter to use something else for these situations, like A/s, because now folks all over the place seem to think it's legit to indicate plural using an apostrophe.

Which is hogwash.
We do that with the O's as well. But I haven't seen many people doing it for GMs, unless the belongs there, like GM's meetings.
 

Isles72

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Well I think the decision on Nelson and Palms will be where we are in the standings, so if we are in top3/WC we're keeping (my guess is signing Nelson) but Pageau and Lee are filling out their terms and then that's that.

But in the offseason up ahead, regardless if we win the cup or miss the playoffs I want to move on from Palms and use his salary for another forward.
I think one of the wingers in the system has to make Palmieri expendable in order for that to happen . I can see them extending Nelson because at the tail end of whatever his new contract becomes he'll still be useful as a 3 c / pk guy (yes I know he's not a faceoff specialist)
 
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Kevin27NYI

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I think one of the wingers in the system has to make Palmieri expendable in order for that to happen . I can see them extending Nelson because at the tail end of whatever his new contract becomes he'll still be useful as a 3 c / pk guy (yes I know he's not a faceoff specialist)
It’s all wait and see and that’s why I think Lou hasn’t extended anyone this offseason.

As long as Lou keeps adding guys in early and late 20s, like Horvat, Engvall, Duclair, Romanov I’m a happy camper.

Let’s see what Holmstrom does too. If he goes 20-20 bouncing around the lineup that will change things.
 
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Kevin27NYI

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Optimistically,

Duclair-Horvat-Barzal
Holmstrom-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Engvall
McLean-Cizikas-Tsyplakov

Italicized are locks for the position. Everything else will move throughout the year nonstop. That’s the NHL, some guys are partners and others you rotate while it clicks until it doesn’t.

And I’ll be honest, I like it a lot. The depth is pretty sweet and we can get 20-30 points out of that fourth line. And it’s physical.
 

leeroggy

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I drink straight from the bottle. What percent is that ?

If we're talking about the women I've had dates with recently, it's100% . . . one actually told me she wasn't comfortable dating someone who had given up drinking . . . and another spends three dates with me and never ate a thing, including 6 hours on Saturday at Gulfstream.
 

Mr Misunderstood

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Optimistically,

Duclair-Horvat-Barzal
Holmstrom-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Engvall
McLean-Cizikas-Tsyplakov

Italicized are locks for the position. Everything else will move throughout the year nonstop. That’s the NHL, some guys are partners and others you rotate while it clicks until it doesn’t.

And I’ll be honest, I like it a lot. The depth is pretty sweet and we can get 20-30 points out of that fourth line. And it’s physical.

At this stage of his career, Holms as LW2 does not give me a warm & fuzzy feeling.

Quite the opposite actually... 🤮
 

The Real JT

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At this stage of his career, Holms as LW2 does not give me a warm & fuzzy feeling.

Quite the opposite actually... 🤮
Penciling a player like him in the top 6 is an indictment of the weakness and fragility of our depth on offense.

Might he surprise and step us his game? Perhaps, but a solid contender would only have him there as Plan B in case one of the more established regulars faltered or was injured.
 

Glory Days

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Penciling a player like him in the top 6 is an indictment of the weakness and fragility of our depth on offense.

Might he surprise and step us his game? Perhaps, but a solid contender would only have him there as Plan B in case one of the more established regulars faltered or was injured.
I don’t disagree but the only people penciling him in as LW2 are on this board. We haven’t heard anything from Lou or Roy about the lines. Let’s let camp play out. I doubt Simon is LW2 opening night unless his game merits so.
 

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If we're talking about the women I've had dates with recently, it's100% . . . one actually told me she wasn't comfortable dating someone who had given up drinking . . . and another spends three dates with me and never ate a thing, including 6 hours on Saturday at Gulfstream.
Boy am I glad I’m not dating. Good luck with those women.
 

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