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Mackenzie is a hack!
You say you don't understand by saying you understand, lol. It's only a waste of time for the people talking about it (but probably not) so you don't have to be one of them
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If you don’t spend/waste your time thinking about how the Islanders could be improved in the offseason and actually compete for the cup, then I envy you. I waste way too much time thinking about what moves would bring this team closer to being a contender; and wondering why our GM doesn’t seem to.
Glorydays22
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As you can see I'm confused by all the talks of trading these guys...You say you don't understand by saying you understand, lol. It's only a waste of time for the people talking about it (but probably not) so you don't have to be one of them
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BelovedIsles
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I agree with the ‘Re-Gurgitate.’ I keep reading the same narratives from the same posters.
impaaaaaact
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Marek is talking about buying out Pageau. Makes no sense to me unless they really need like 2.75M. That probably wouldn’t even be enough to sign Pageau in FA. It makes no sense
IslesNorway
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What I fear the most from this offseason is ending up with even more long term, untradeable contracts. I'm 100% sure they will extend Nelson (5 years) early on in the summer, and if they add Ehlers for the 1st, there is no way Lou will not hand him a lovely 8 year extension too. Not to mention they will extend Dobson and Romanov to max term contracts as well, ensuring practically the whole team is on a deal that is neverending, with NTCs and NMCs galore.. Whoever replaces Lou in the future has one big horrible mess to clear.
Buying out Pageau makes no sense. He can be traded in a like for like deal so if nothing else, then they tried something different.
Buying out Pageau makes no sense. He can be traded in a like for like deal so if nothing else, then they tried something different.
He's just babbling.
Even the outsiders wonder about it all 'cause it look like somebody has to be moved, but it makes little sense to buy out this kind of contract and there's already precedence for dealing with such things differently, if worse comes to worse (but we never get to know if worse has come to worse).
Lou used picks to dish off Ladd and Bailey. That clearly is his favored route to buying someone out.
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periferal
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But if trading Nelson isn't a bad idea...Then why would trading him now be? If you trade Nelson now it will net you probably 3 good assets while freeing up 6M in cap space (so you then don't have to waste yet more picks trading Lee or Pageau).
I think trading Nelson is almost necessary at this point because I'd rather let him walk for nothing then give out another "Lou special" and have the guy signed until like 39 at 8M a year.
So the second a good deal comes along (and I have to imagine offers have been made), you just have to deal him for the sake of the franchise.
periferal
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Another year, another offseason where a fringe playoff team is probably going to waste more pick assets to free up cap space...Just to field another fringe playoff team next year.
Lou is the master of "Merry-go-round" GM'ing. It's when moves are being made, but you're actually going nowhere.
periferal
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And yet all of us pale in comparison to the master of regurgitation - The GM.
And yet all of us pale in comparison to the master of regurgitation - The GM.
BrockLobster
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Bc i want to add to nelsons 30 goals. Not replace it. I get your other points but im willing to wait until the deadline. Understandably they wouldnt get as much then but hopefully they arent in a position to sell.
If lou for some reason decides to add no one then yes he should trade nelson now.
doublechili
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I posted before half-jokingly that Lou will re-sign Nelson at 4 x $6.75M. We'll see what actually happens, maybe even within a week.
crashthenet
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Lou could trade for McDavid today and it would be the second biggest story in NY sports.
CupHolders
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And the top story in Toronto would be how it’s the first leg of the three-way trade of McDavid to the Leafs for Tavares.
3rd biggest, behind the Subway Series and the Knicks trade (they made it with the Nets but nobody talks about that part because it's still a 1 team town).
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CupHolders
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Agree. Isles don’t NEED the cap space to re-sign anyone. They could just leave everything as is… NOT that I want them to do so.
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Did anyone see that the Wings traded Jake Walman and attached a 2nd round pick for future considerations?
WTF?
Walman was Seider’s d partner and played really well since becoming a Wing.
They should have just waived him - I’m sure someone would have claimed him - really strange move
WTF?
Walman was Seider’s d partner and played really well since becoming a Wing.
They should have just waived him - I’m sure someone would have claimed him - really strange move
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doublechili
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Especially since eSJ had first priority on waivers.
I do wonder if NYI does a NyR Goodrow to see if they can move off Palmeri or Pageau if a team on their no trade list does really want them. Place them on waivers and if they get claimed by that club work out a side deal.
Better to get vets on 1/2 year deals than give a 33 year old Killorn 4 years at $25 mill for example.
I do wonder if NYI does a NyR Goodrow to see if they can move off Palmeri or Pageau if a team on their no trade list does really want them. Place them on waivers and if they get claimed by that club work out a side deal.
Better to get vets on 1/2 year deals than give a 33 year old Killorn 4 years at $25 mill for example.
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Without a doubt, Nelson SHOULD be traded and we should look to get younger and faster and there isn't a single player who could bring back more that isnt an untouchable. Unfortunately, Lou is loyal to a fault and is our GM and I don't see him even capable of such outside the box thinking...
As a matter of fact, a different GM could really shake things up and be VERY ACTIVE this offseason; realizing that we cannot compete for the cup with just minor moves with our limited cap space.
And I will play fantasy land for a minute:
**Islanders trade LD Adam Pelech to the Toronto Maple Leafs for 2024 1st round pick (#23) and prospects in C Fraser Minten and LD Topi Niemala
If the Islanders are getting Pelech to waive his NTC then it is likely going to have to be for a trip home and as much as some here want that to be in a trade for Marner, they go a different route all together. Leafs get the defensive-first blueliner they desperately need in the deal who is locked up for the next 5 years
**Islanders trade C Brock Nelson to the Minnesota Wild for 2024 1st round pick (#13), LW/RW Marcus Johansson and prospect RW Danila Yurov
Nelson gets moved also closer to home as the Wild slot the veteran between Erikkson Ek and Rossi and the Islanders get a top wing prospect as well as the 13th overall pick in the draft. To fit Brock under their cap, they do ask the Islanders to take on the expiring contract of Johansson; which Lou reluctantly agrees to
**Islanders trade 2024 1st round picks (#20 and #23- TOR) and C Rusian Iskhakov to the Winnipeg Jets for LW Nikolaj Ehlers and prospect LW/C Rutger McGroarty
His third of six moves (counting his pre-Draft swap of picks), Lou adds his two forwards by trading two first round picks to Winnipeg for disgruntled RW/LW Ehlers (who has no desire to extend there) and prospect LW/C Rutger McGroarty
**Islanders trade 2024 2nd round pick (#61), 5th round pick and a 2025 1st rounder along with Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($400K retained) to the Ottawa Senators for LD Jakob Chychrun
Pageau returns home and Lou gets his Pelech replacement but Ottawa insists on the 25' first rounder (they lose their own because of the invalid Dadonov trade), a 2nd round pick as well as retention to make the salaries even
**Islanders trade RW Oliver Wahlstrom to the LA Kings for LW/RW Arthur Kaliyev
In his final trade, Lou ships Wahlstrom off for a similarly underperforming young player in Kaliyev
** Islanders sign RFA RW Simon Holmstrom to 2-year deal at $950K per
** Islanders sign RFA LW Arthur Kaliyev to a 2-year deal at $1 million per
** Islanders re-sign UFA LD Mike Reilly to a 3-year/$4 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA C/RW Jack Roslovic to a 4-year/$11 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA RW Vladimir Tarasenko to a 3-year/$14.25 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA D Derek Forbort to a 1-year/$900K deal
2024-25 New York Islanders
Ehlers (28)- Barzal (27)- Tarasenko
Lee- Horvat (29)- Palmieri
Kaliyev (23)- Roslovic (27)- Engvall (28)
MacLean (25)- Cizikas- Holmstrom (23)
Johansson- Tsyplakov (25)
Romanov (24)- Dobson (24)
Chychrun (26)- Pulock (29)
Reilly -Mayfield
Forbort
Sorokin (28)- Varlamov
Taxi- Fasching (28)/Bolduc (23)
Cap: $87.9 million
***Islanders draft RD Carter Yakemchuk with 13th overall selection
***Islanders draft RW Matvei Gridin with 54th overall selection
Top 15 Prospects (after offseason):
1. C/LW Rutger McGroarty
2. RD Carter Yakemchuk
3. RW Danila Yurov
4. C Fraser Minton
5. C Danny Nelson
6. RW Matvei Gridin
7. LD Calle Odelius
8. RW William Dufour
9. RD Topi Niemada
10. LW Alex Jeffries
11. RW Matthew Maggio
12. LW Quinn Finley
13. LD Isaiah George
14. G Henrik Tikkanen
15. C Justin Gil
No way in hell it happens, but it was fun lol
As a matter of fact, a different GM could really shake things up and be VERY ACTIVE this offseason; realizing that we cannot compete for the cup with just minor moves with our limited cap space.
And I will play fantasy land for a minute:
**Islanders trade LD Adam Pelech to the Toronto Maple Leafs for 2024 1st round pick (#23) and prospects in C Fraser Minten and LD Topi Niemala
If the Islanders are getting Pelech to waive his NTC then it is likely going to have to be for a trip home and as much as some here want that to be in a trade for Marner, they go a different route all together. Leafs get the defensive-first blueliner they desperately need in the deal who is locked up for the next 5 years
**Islanders trade C Brock Nelson to the Minnesota Wild for 2024 1st round pick (#13), LW/RW Marcus Johansson and prospect RW Danila Yurov
Nelson gets moved also closer to home as the Wild slot the veteran between Erikkson Ek and Rossi and the Islanders get a top wing prospect as well as the 13th overall pick in the draft. To fit Brock under their cap, they do ask the Islanders to take on the expiring contract of Johansson; which Lou reluctantly agrees to
**Islanders trade 2024 1st round picks (#20 and #23- TOR) and C Rusian Iskhakov to the Winnipeg Jets for LW Nikolaj Ehlers and prospect LW/C Rutger McGroarty
His third of six moves (counting his pre-Draft swap of picks), Lou adds his two forwards by trading two first round picks to Winnipeg for disgruntled RW/LW Ehlers (who has no desire to extend there) and prospect LW/C Rutger McGroarty
**Islanders trade 2024 2nd round pick (#61), 5th round pick and a 2025 1st rounder along with Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($400K retained) to the Ottawa Senators for LD Jakob Chychrun
Pageau returns home and Lou gets his Pelech replacement but Ottawa insists on the 25' first rounder (they lose their own because of the invalid Dadonov trade), a 2nd round pick as well as retention to make the salaries even
**Islanders trade RW Oliver Wahlstrom to the LA Kings for LW/RW Arthur Kaliyev
In his final trade, Lou ships Wahlstrom off for a similarly underperforming young player in Kaliyev
** Islanders sign RFA RW Simon Holmstrom to 2-year deal at $950K per
** Islanders sign RFA LW Arthur Kaliyev to a 2-year deal at $1 million per
** Islanders re-sign UFA LD Mike Reilly to a 3-year/$4 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA C/RW Jack Roslovic to a 4-year/$11 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA RW Vladimir Tarasenko to a 3-year/$14.25 million deal
** Islanders sign UFA D Derek Forbort to a 1-year/$900K deal
2024-25 New York Islanders
Ehlers (28)- Barzal (27)- Tarasenko
Lee- Horvat (29)- Palmieri
Kaliyev (23)- Roslovic (27)- Engvall (28)
MacLean (25)- Cizikas- Holmstrom (23)
Johansson- Tsyplakov (25)
Romanov (24)- Dobson (24)
Chychrun (26)- Pulock (29)
Reilly -Mayfield
Forbort
Sorokin (28)- Varlamov
Taxi- Fasching (28)/Bolduc (23)
Cap: $87.9 million
***Islanders draft RD Carter Yakemchuk with 13th overall selection
***Islanders draft RW Matvei Gridin with 54th overall selection
Top 15 Prospects (after offseason):
1. C/LW Rutger McGroarty
2. RD Carter Yakemchuk
3. RW Danila Yurov
4. C Fraser Minton
5. C Danny Nelson
6. RW Matvei Gridin
7. LD Calle Odelius
8. RW William Dufour
9. RD Topi Niemada
10. LW Alex Jeffries
11. RW Matthew Maggio
12. LW Quinn Finley
13. LD Isaiah George
14. G Henrik Tikkanen
15. C Justin Gil
No way in hell it happens, but it was fun lol
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periferal
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That's the thing...
How do you honestly propose we can ADD meaningful scoring without trading Nelson? Lou trades 1sts for middle/bottom 6 players and there isn't enough cap space to add an impact impact player which is what is truly needed.
This team needs a 1st line winger with 30-40 goal potential - Not another 3rd line grinder with <20 goal potential. Trading Nelson opens up so many more options for this offseason then running this entire average roster back for yet another team with like 1 average addition at forward.
This team is not winning a Cup as currently constructed...And that means with Nelson. If you want to get big results you need to make big moves. Bringing back the same group without at least one big move will have us losing in the 1st round again next spring (or maybe worse).
crashthenet
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You'd think that the 3 bad teams in Ana, SJ, Chi should be looking to add quality vets for low cost. I mean, waivers is an option if the player won't waive the MNTC to go there. $6.25 AAV for a 33 year old Killorn for 4 years is what it cost Ana for a veteran last season. Whether it's 2 years of Pageau or 1 of Palmeri, once clubs have their premium prospects on the roster, you need to support them.
SJ with Celebrini/Smith, Chi with Bedard, Ana with Carlsson/Gauthier need some help.
I mean Chicago just paid Foligno and Dickinson over $4 mill each for 2 seasons (ending with Bedard's elc) to keep them around.
