Roster & Fantasy GM Thread VII || Make The Canucks Great Again

[fancouver]

a) better defense can't just be 'learned' at 26. If it could be everyone would be doing it. And is as valid as saying that Tanev could just learn to be better offensively.

b) Hamonic had 21 points this year. Comparing him to a prime Jovanovski is just ridiculous.

Hamonic is slightly better than Tanev offensively and slightly worse defensively. They're the same player. And we should have trade leverage because it wouldn't be our player that wanted out.

It's not like Hamonic is a slouch on defence. He's not Sbisa.

But saying Hamonic is slightly better offensively is unfair. All NHL games played:

Hamonic 0.33 ppg
Tanev 0.22 ppg

You always pay more for production in any position.

And what I meant by Hamonic-Jovo is not his prime, but rather their playing styles. Hamonic hits just as hard as he does, while having the "4th forward" mindset, something our blueline is missing.

 

[Addison Rae]

It's ridiculous to just pawn of career PPG as basis of one player being better offensively than the other. Players don't develop at the same age, they don't play the same quality of minutes, zone starts, power play time.

Hamonic has been narrowly better offensively recently and Tanev has been narrowly better defensively.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Regardless, finding a marginal improvement over Tanev is so far down the list of priorities that it's laughable. We need to find improvements over Sbisa, Bartkowski and Weber first, and replace Hamhuis.

 

[me2]

It's not like Hamonic is a slouch on defence. He's not Sbisa.

But saying Hamonic is slightly better offensively is unfair. All NHL games played:

Hamonic 0.33 ppg
Tanev 0.22 ppg

You always pay more for production in any position.

And what I meant by Hamonic-Jovo is not his prime, but rather their playing styles. Hamonic hits just as hard as he does, while having the "4th forward" mindset, something our blueline is missing.

Don't forget the islanders are a more offensive team, 75 more goals over the last 3 years. The last 3 years.

Hamonic 212 games, 13g, 72 points, .87 p/60, 23.47min/game

Tanev 203 games, 13g, 55 points, .78/60, 20.96 min/game

The offensive difference is basically 10% extra icetime on a 12.5% better offensive team.

 

[pitseleh]

Don't forget the islanders are a more offensive team, 75 more goals over the last 3 years. The last 3 years.

Hamonic 212 games, 13g, 72 points, .87 p/60, 23.47min/game

Tanev 203 games, 13g, 55 points, .78/60, 20.96 min/game

The offensive difference is basically 10% extra icetime on a 12.5% better offensive team.

Also, more than triple the PP time and four times the PP points over all their games. Hamonic is basically as effective as Tanev on the PP, but gets more ice time because his team has had less depth in terms of PP defenders.

That's about half the difference in career points per game.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Also, more than triple the PP time and four times the PP points over all their games. Hamonic is basically as effective as Tanev on the PP, but gets more ice time because his team has had less depth in terms of PP defenders.

That's about half the difference in career points per game.

A team has less depth in PP defenders than the Canucks?

 

[pitseleh]

A team has less depth in PP defenders than the Canucks?

Ha, maybe not now, but the Islanders are only a couple seasons removed from having Andrew McDonald lead their defense in scoring despite being traded at the deadline.

Tanev has been behind Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Salo, and Ehrhoff at various points of his career. Hamonic has only ever had Boychuk, Leddy and Streit.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Edler's not going to waive to NYI of all places.

But that does look nice.

Then you either convince him or let the Hamonic dreams stay dreams. Trading away Tanev for what is essentially a similar player, albeit with slightly better offensive instincts in exchange for defense... is lateral at best; pointless otherwise. Even if we did give Hamonic the narrow edge over Tanev, we'd still essentially be giving away McCann or whoever else they wanted.

That alone makes it not worth it.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

I would love to see us bring home both Ladd and Lucic.

 

[geebaan]

I would love to see us bring home both Ladd and Lucic.

Weren't you the same guy bringing in pieces means less ice time for the rookies?

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Weren't you the same guy bringing in pieces means less ice time for the rookies?

Not really- I don't mind the idea of bringing them in slowly. I think the young guys are easily the most exciting part of the team but I think they should sit if they aren't getting it.

Guys like Ladd and Lucic are gonna bring a really nasty element to the team the Canucks have really never had.

 

[geebaan]

Not really- I don't mind the idea of bringing them in slowly. I think the young guys are easily the most exciting part of the team but I think they should sit if they aren't getting it.

Guys like Ladd and Lucic are gonna bring a really nasty element to the team the Canucks have really never had.

Isn't that literally the exact opposite of what we did this year?

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Isn't that literally the exact opposite of what we did this year?

Yes which is why I want to sign Lucic and Ladd...

 

[Hansen]

Would love so much to get Yakupov

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Would love so much to get Yakupov

Interesting to know what it would take. Im not sure at all how Chiarelli and the oilers brain trust value him.

 

[Hansen]

Interesting to know what it would take. Im not sure at all how Chiarelli and the oilers brain trust value him.

Would think hard about Hansen + (small +) for Yak and a 2nd/3rd

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

I would presume that if the Oilers were to let one of their rock stars go it would for an upgrade on D.

But I've been thinking that for a while now.....

 

[arttk]

I would presume that if the Oilers were to let one of their rock stars go it would for an upgrade on D.

But I've been thinking that for a while now.....

They had a chance at Jones but apparently RNH too valuable.

Not a lot of Jones level Dman left available for trade.

 

[me2]

I would presume that if the Oilers were to let one of their rock stars go it would for an upgrade on D.

But I've been thinking that for a while now.....

Problem is they waited so long half of them turned back in to pumpkins.

 

[TheWolf*]

They had a chance at Jones but apparently RNH too valuable.

Not a lot of Jones level Dman left available for trade.

Nashville turned down RNH. They offered him.

 

[TheWolf*]

Would think hard about Hansen + (small +) for Yak and a 2nd/3rd

[MOD] Yakupov is a complete bust and then 2nd/3rd has a high probability of never amounting to anything.

If you deal Hansen, you get a 1st, or you don't deal him.

 

[Hansen]

That's ****ing idiotic. Yakupov is a complete bust and then 2nd/3rd has a high probability of never amounting to anything.

If you deal Hansen, you get a 1st, or you don't deal him.

Edmonton 2nd is a late 1st essentially. I don't think Yakupov is a complete bust.

Don't think that I take trading Hansen lightly

 

[The Drop]

I would love to see us bring home both Ladd and Lucic.

No thanks to either. they'll be given giant contracts that will look like **** as quickly as the following year. Having a team that throws cheap shots or the first punch but can't skate isn't going to win you games.

 

[wonton15]

I would love to see us bring home both Ladd and Lucic.

Jesus no thanks. Watching them in the playoffs has been underwhelming to say the least. Maybe Lucic but we all know he's going to get that huge contract which will kill us in the future

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I would presume that if the Oilers were to let one of their rock stars go it would for an upgrade on D.

But I've been thinking that for a while now.....

This is what annoys me most about Edmonton.

The whole theory behind BPA in the draft is the supposition that if you have too many players at one position you can exchange one to address a weakness. See: Jones/Johansen trade as an example of this.

But the Oilers have utterly refused to do this for years, even though they've been drafting a ton of forwards and have had no defense/goaltending. I mean for **** sakes even this season they had McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH -- you couldn't trade one of those guys for a defender? The ****?

If you're going to hoard your prospects like they are all untouchable, then the concept of taking BPA in the draft is actually questionable.