Roster & Fantasy GM Thread VII || Make The Canucks Great Again

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[tantalum]

That's fair enough. I don't expect fans to love every Canuck player, but in terms of on-ice contributions, at least we're in agreement that Lucic would make us a better team while providing Horvat and Virtanen value.

Well if I just look at on ice contribution yes he is a useful player. I fear, however, that when cap hit and contract length is taken into account that the price will be too high that it eliminates his usefulness.

 

[fancouver]

Well if I just look at on ice contribution yes he is a useful player. I fear, however, that when cap hit and contract length is taken into account that the price will be too high that it eliminates his usefulness.

I agree that's the biggest risk with him. I expect at least $6 million and at least 5 years. That would eliminate most of the risk. He'll be about 33 by the end of the contract, which, shouldn't be a huge problem.

 

[MS]

Well if I just look at on ice contribution yes he is a useful player. I fear, however, that when cap hit and contract length is taken into account that the price will be too high that it eliminates his usefulness.

As much as I can't stand him, I'd admit that he'd be a useful player for the next 1-2 years at $5 million.

The problem is that we're probably going to give him 7 years/$50 million or something stupid like that, and be stuck with a boat anchor of a contract on an old, slow 30-40 point player when this team should be turning a corner.

 

[Pip]

He's obviously a good player and will probably be a good player for at least the next 2-3 years. I don't think his body will hold up long term and I don't see him as a good mentor for our young players.

 

[canuckking1]

1. Trade Burrows for anything free up 4.5
2. Trade Sbisa or Dorsett for anything if not buy one of them out
3 win draft lottery draft Matthews
4 waive all the trash left on the team like grandland and vey
5 resign Hamhuis at 4 mil
6. Trade elder get great value
7. Sign Okposo so Matthews has an elite winger to help him break into the NHL(6.5x5)
8. Send Mccan to the AHL ( need to get good playing time and have a big role)
9 Sign a steady top 4 D

sedin-sedin-Sutter
Virtanen/Rodin-Matthews-Okposo
Sven-Bo-Hansen
Etem-Gaunce-xx

If virtanen proves he can play then he stays if not send him down

 

[fancouver]

2016-2017 Roster scenarios based on draft lottery

#1 - Auston Matthews

Sedin - Sedin - Hansen
Lucic - Matthews - Sutter
Baertschi - Horvat - Rodin
Etem - Granlund - Virtanen

Edler - Hamonic
Hamhuis - Tryamkin
Hutton - Larsen

Miller

*Tanev + McCann for Hamonic + 2nd 2017
*Re-sign Hamhuis $9 million over 2 years
*Sign Lucic $39 million over 6 years

#2 - Patrik Laine

Sedin - Sedin - Laine
Lucic - Horvat - Hansen
Baertschi - Sutter - Rodin
[same as above]...

#3 - Jesse Puljujärvi

Sedin - Sedin - Puljujärvi
[same as above]...

Those are the only 3 I see making the team right out of the draft.

 

[member 202355]

Tanev + McCann for Hamonic + 2nd 2017

Gross. No thank you.

 

[MS]

*Tanev + McCann for Hamonic + 2nd 2017

Tanev and Hamonic are basically the same player, of the same age, on nearly the same contract that runs out at the same time ... so this trade is essentially McCann for a 2nd round pick, which is absolutely horrible.

 

[fancouver]

Tanev and Hamonic are basically the same player, of the same age, on nearly the same contract that runs out at the same time ... so this trade is essentially McCann for a 2nd round pick, which is absolutely horrible.

I wouldn't say they are identical. Hamonic hits like a truck and has more offensive upside. Tanev for Hamonic wouldn't get it done.

 

[MS]

I wouldn't say they are identical. Hamonic hits like a truck and has more offensive upside. Tanev for Hamonic wouldn't get it done.

... and Tanev is smarter and a better penalty killer, and scored only 2 fewer points so the 'offensive upside' doesn't count for much. In terms of what they are, they're the same thing - quality young #2 defensive defenders. On the same contract.

Trading one for the other is absolutely pointless.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

I'd rather have Tanev. Would absolutely love to add Hamonic but i'm not sure Vancouver is one of his preferred destinations. And then there is that small matter of the King's ransom that Snow will demand.

 

[Scurr]

... and Tanev is smarter and a better penalty killer, and scored only 2 fewer points so the 'offensive upside' doesn't count for much. In terms of what they are, they're the same thing - quality young #2 defensive defenders. On the same contract.

Trading one for the other is absolutely pointless.

It'd be doing them a favour. Jim's such a nice guy he might do it. Hopefully he doesn't throw in a pick.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

... and Tanev is smarter and a better penalty killer, and scored only 2 fewer points so the 'offensive upside' doesn't count for much. In terms of what they are, they're the same thing - quality young #2 defensive defenders. On the same contract.

Trading one for the other is absolutely pointless.

Absolutely pointless? Hmmm, maybe he's on to something then..

 

[NoShowWilly]

'we need a top 4 defenseman' *trades a #2 defenseman*

 

[Nuckles]

Hamonic definitely isn't better than Tanev. And even if Hamonic is equally skilled, there's no guarantee that he will do well here. We know that Tanev does well in Vancouver, let's leave it like that.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

I want no part of a Tanev for Hamonic swap...

 

[Addison Rae]

Tanev for Hamonic is utterly pointless.

 

[fancouver]

Weird. Hamonic is basically a Tanev clone WITH a physical side, heavy shot and more offensive upside.

I'd do that swap every day. NYI fans? Not so much.

 

[Cogburn]

Winning the lottery for Matthews would make one move almost knee-jerk in my opinion:

With the addition of Matthews, we could trade McCann+ for a top 4 RHD.

Shattenkirk would be my first choice, Hamonic wouldn't be a bad pick either. This way we don't get sucked into another UFA contract trying to lure someone that has no affinity for Vancouver (Demers, Yandle, Goligoski, etc).

I don't buy into the whole rift thing people have freaked out about as the season ended, but if we could move a superfluous piece for a player we could really use.

 

[Addison Rae]

Like MS said Hamonic has components of his game that are better and Tanev has components of his game that are better. They're essentially going to bring you the same results.

New York has no leverage, treading water in a Hamonic deal should be viewed as a major win for the Islanders, so their fanbase is out to lunch if they turn that down.

 

[dave babych returns]

Someone in the last thread suggested we could move up two spots from #4 or #5 by including Jared McCann.. would you take that deal in reverse? I sure wouldn't.

 

[brokenhole]

Winning the lottery for Matthews would make one move almost knee-jerk in my opinion:

With the addition of Matthews, we could trade McCann+ for a top 4 RHD.

Shattenkirk would be my first choice, Hamonic wouldn't be a bad pick either. This way we don't get sucked into another UFA contract trying to lure someone that has no affinity for Vancouver (Demers, Yandle, Goligoski, etc).

I don't buy into the whole rift thing people have freaked out about as the season ended, but if we could move a superfluous piece for a player we could really use.

If we did luck into Matthews and decided to trade someone for a top end d-man no one knows what this management would do. It might be Horvat that gets moved because that would be the asking price.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Harmonic is not a great dman. He fits a need and is the right age but no need to trade valuable assets for a piece that is only important if other parts are in place. I am not even sure I would trade Tryamkin for him. As Tryamkin has higher potential than Hamonic even if he is unlikely to be as good. The same goes for Hutton. Edler maybe because of age difference. Tanev no.

 

[Soups On]

Hypothetical scenario as this is all we really have right now.

If Vancouver gets #3 overall, would you trade it for Provorov?

Philly has arguably the best defensive prospect pool in the league with a large shortage in forwards except for Konecny. They're already really deep at center and good use an upgrade on wing. I guess it boils down to Puljujarvi for Provorov.

As a Canuck fan, I'd do it and not regret it in the slightest. But I'm not sure if Philly would despite having The Ghostbear, Sanheim, Morin, Myers and Hagg all showing a lot of promise.