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All these trade proposals for Noah Dobson....:eek3:. You're again putting poor Jaccob Slavin in the baby-sitting role. Dobson is worse defensively with 6 years of NHL experience than Scott Morrow is today. Morrow has grown and will continue to grow defensively. His offensive game, while not on par with Dobson's, is a work in progress and will likely end up with him being a comfortable 50+ point guy.

I'm not saying he isn't an asset that should/could be used for an upgrade on the team. I just wouldn't target Dobson. Seems like Evan Bouchard would be the better target - a bit more sound defensively than Dobson and a proven playoff performer.
 
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NotOpie said:
All these trade proposals for Noah Dobson....:eek3:. You're again putting poor Jaccob Slavin in the baby-sitting role. Dobson is worse defensively with 6 years of NHL experience than Scott Morrow is today. Morrow has grown and will continue to grow defensively. His offensive game, while not on par with Dobson's, is a work in progress and will likely end up with him being a comfortable 50+ point guy.

I'm not saying he isn't an asset that should/could be used for an upgrade on the team. I just wouldn't target Dobson. Seems like Evan Bouchard would be the better target - a bit more sound defensively than Dobson and a proven playoff performer.
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In 2023-2024 season, 15 defensemen got 50 points out of 380 defensemen that played in the NHL at some point. That is less than 4%. Morrow at this point is going to "comfortably" get to that top echelon of defensemen?

I mean I hope so, but that is quite the assumption.
 
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In 2023-2024 season, 15 defensemen got 50 points out of 380 defensemen that played in the NHL at some point. That is less than 4%. Morrow at this point is going to "comfortably" get to that top echelon of defensemen?

I mean I hope so, but that is quite the assumption.
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I'm putting this right up there with my Chris Terry points prediction.....:naughty:
 
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NotOpie said:
All these trade proposals for Noah Dobson....:eek3:. You're again putting poor Jaccob Slavin in the baby-sitting role. Dobson is worse defensively with 6 years of NHL experience than Scott Morrow is today. Morrow has grown and will continue to grow defensively. His offensive game, while not on par with Dobson's, is a work in progress and will likely end up with him being a comfortable 50+ point guy.

I'm not saying he isn't an asset that should/could be used for an upgrade on the team. I just wouldn't target Dobson. Seems like Evan Bouchard would be the better target - a bit more sound defensively than Dobson and a proven playoff performer.
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How many Canes dmen have put up 50 in their history?

Pretty sure it's a very short list and Burns is the points leader from his 38 year old season.
 
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NotOpie said:
All these trade proposals for Noah Dobson....:eek3:. You're again putting poor Jaccob Slavin in the baby-sitting role. Dobson is worse defensively with 6 years of NHL experience than Scott Morrow is today. Morrow has grown and will continue to grow defensively. His offensive game, while not on par with Dobson's, is a work in progress and will likely end up with him being a comfortable 50+ point guy.

I'm not saying he isn't an asset that should/could be used for an upgrade on the team. I just wouldn't target Dobson. Seems like Evan Bouchard would be the better target - a bit more sound defensively than Dobson and a proven playoff performer.
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Dobson is about average defensively, he's not great but he's not some huge liability. Morrow isn't as bad defensively as people assume either but he's not as good as Dobson. And as pointed out, Dobson could be a point per game top pair RHD here. Morrow is so far off of that. I wouldn't give huge assets for Dobson but a trade based around Morrow and picks/prospects (not counting Nadeau, Artamonov) would make sense to me if Isles would do it (not sure they would), and if he'd take a somewhat reasonable long term AAV (8ish). His value is low right now so I think it's possible on both of those counts, but not particularly likely.
 
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I think it was on an appearance with Jeff Marek the other day that Tulsky mentioned how good our pro scouts are getting at looking at guys that likely play in very different systems and identifying traits that will translate well to playing in our system even if they don't get to use those traits often in their current system. He specifically mentioned how they evaluate dmen in that.

They may look at one of these guys that's all offense currently but is a bad fit for the defensive style their current team plays and realize that they have the skating, smarts, and stick work to play much better in our defensive system. I wouldn't always let what you've seen of a guy on their current team or their fancy stats with their current team deter you from thinking they'd be a good fit here.
 
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Stanky and Janky said:
I think it was on an appearance with Jeff Marek the other day that Tulsky mentioned how good our pro scouts are getting at looking at guys that likely play in very different systems and identifying traits that will translate well to playing in our system even if they don't get to use those traits often in their current system. He specifically mentioned how they evaluate dmen in that.

They may look at one of these guys that's all offense currently but is a bad fit for the defensive style their current team plays and realize that they have the skating, smarts, and stick work to play much better in our defensive system. I wouldn't always let what you've seen of a guy on their current team or their fancy stats with their current team deter you from thinking they'd be a good fit here.
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yep. Skjei is exhibit A
 
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I've become a bit of a meme among you guys for bringing up the idea of using our cap space to bring guys in on one year contracts at extremely high cap hits if Marner re-signs with Toronto (as I'm still expecting, if they make the ECFs). I completely understand that the majority of UFAs desire term and do not take the 1 year risk even with the rising cap environment. There are some players out there, however, who might find a contract like that appealing when it's to a perennial contender. I would specifically target either guys coming off of down seasons (Boeser, Nelson) or cup-chasing veterans (Giroux, Marchand, Benn, Duchene) with this type of contract. As annoying as I've been about this idea at times, if a bonafide star like Marner isn't available, that cap space next offseason is best used to 8 year max our Big 4 prospects (Blake, Stankoven, Nikishin, Morrow).
 
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I personally didn't think, from the offer sheets to beating Edmonton in 2006 to being the team that knocked out Toronto the last time they were in the ECF, I didn't that Canada could collectively hate us more.

But



That might supercharge things up there if it comes to pass this summer. And I'm here for it
 
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I’m torn on Marner now. Obviously, he’s quite good defensively and we do need a talented Top 6 forward. And there’s the chance that he’s simply burned out on being a Leaf and that would explain his performance (or lack thereof) in the playoffs this year.

On the other hand, if this is what we should expect normally from his playoff performances, absolutely do not give him $13 million. Sign two guys for 6.5 that give a damn.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
I’m torn on Marner now. Obviously, he’s quite good defensively and we do need a talented Top 6 forward. And there’s the chance that he’s simply burned out on being a Leaf and that would explain his performance (or lack thereof) in the playoffs this year.

On the other hand, if this is what we should expect normally from his playoff performances, absolutely do not give him $13 million. Sign two guys for 6.5 that give a damn.
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I can see pros and cons to getting Marner but would be all-in if Tulsky and Co think he's a fit. There was a quote I saw from the 4 Nations where Marner talked about how shocking it was that Crosby could keep the team calm and positive no matter the situation. I think it's painfully obvious that the Leafs are mentally weak and don't have the leadership to overcome difficult circumstances under pressure. I could absolutely see him flourishing here under Rod, Staal, Aho, Martinook, Slavin, etc, etc.
 
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