SvechneJerk
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Where have y'all seen the interest in trading out Larkin? I don't remember seeing anything like that in my time lurking on HF Wings.
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spockBokk
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I wouldn’t be completely shocked if they brought in 2 high profile wingers vs a 2C, but mostly agree that 2C is the most needed upgrade.
Ideally, if they could somehow end up with Ehlers and Bennett on 7/1, that would set them up perfectly imho. However, I don’t think Bennett leaves FLA. I do think Ehlers to CAR is very likely if he makes it to UFA (and think Marner to CAR is a pipe dream). If they got Ehlers, I think the other up front add would come via trade.
I see them re-upping Hall and keeping Kotkaniemi, letting Roslovic and Robinson walk. So realistically, only 1 top 9 spot available (if they get Ehlers)
Ehlers-Aho-Jarvis
Svechnikov-???-Blake
Hall-Kotkaniemi-Stankoven
Martinook-Staal-Carrier
Jankowksi
And we all know the Staal line won’t really be the 4th line…no room for Nadeau either…
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I’d be floored to land Larkin. I don’t think it’s at all likely to happen but I’d be psyched if it did
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HisIceness
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I hope he gets 9 more points huehuehue
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Orlov makes sense to stay, but yes others would have to move on presuming Nikishin takes a spot.
I think getting the kid some time pre playoffs is possibly most important not just to get him games but for them to see what they have even in a small sample so they can make these decisions this summer. Orlov is still a top four guy. They aren’t easy to get, he’s probably help the Nikishin transition and he’s always been a good playoff player. He was great last year for us I thought. He’s a guy who likes stepping up when the spotlight gets bright, and that is invaluable to a team that’s shrunk in that light before.
I think getting the kid some time pre playoffs is possibly most important not just to get him games but for them to see what they have even in a small sample so they can make these decisions this summer. Orlov is still a top four guy. They aren’t easy to get, he’s probably help the Nikishin transition and he’s always been a good playoff player. He was great last year for us I thought. He’s a guy who likes stepping up when the spotlight gets bright, and that is invaluable to a team that’s shrunk in that light before.
bleedgreen
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They’ve built whatever you think they have around that guy, makes about as much sense for us to trade Aho. If they aren’t upgrading through trading him (how?) he isn’t going anywhere unless he’s demanded a trade.
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I wonder how Orlov feels about being the mentor for the next great Russian defenseman
Probably great.
I believe he takes great pride in being a Russian player and to mentor the next great RU player would be right in his wheelhouse.
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And you can basically pencil in carrier for 20-30 games before an injury. Jankowski has done enough already to earn the 4c roll next year he seems to fit the system real well
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I said the same thing about Rantanen last year
LakeLivin
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The more I think about it the more I think this is the most likely scenario. If Nikishin and Morrow are both on the team next year they are your PP QBs. There is more or less no need for Ghost. It would make sense to bring Orlov back on a short deal for limited minutes on the third pair for continuity and Russian mentor purposes.
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While it's certainly possible, it's far easier for the organization to let the UFA Orlov go and keep Ghost (who still has years left on his contract) than to re-sign Orlov and then find a trading partner for Ghost
Also, nothing I've seen from Morrow makes me believe he'll be on the team next year. The kid, at least right now, is another DeAngelo. Great offensive instincts, rocks for brains defensively. That's not going to fly here.
Borsig
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Right because who needs another 50 point d man that slavin can make look legit and might develop in to more. The kid has moves. He's legit. Give him his shot,
And f*** keeping an overpaid orlov.
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Right, because we want to saddle Slavin with yet another player that he has to cover for. Certainly hasn’t had enough of that in the past 10 years.
Remember when we paired him with a defenseman that was actually good defensively and they were +46 combined on a team that finished 7th in the Metro and had a negative goal differential?
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You start the year:
Slavin - Chatfield
Nikishin - Walker
Orlov - Morrow
Until/unless Morrow plays his way up the lineup. It’s a pretty weak right side to start the year but if Nikishin is as advertised it’s the best left side in the NHL.
Edit: stylistically I like Slavin Walker and Nikishin Chatfield better, but I’d rather have Chatfield getting more minutes than Walker
Borsig
Become ungovernable.
Man I am not up for paying orlov yet again to do stupid shit. 3M? Maybe. 8? LMFAO no.
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Orlov-Morrow seems like a setup for a really bad time
Playing around with PuckPedia this morning.
Next year's crazy amount of cap space is a huge opportunity but also a pseudo-illusion. At the end of 2026 we have basically no major contracts ending or cap space to be gained, yet will need to re-sign Blake, Stankoven, Nikishin, and Morrow to their next deals. So Tulsky is going to need to find the balance of leveraging that cap space to make the team better, while also not setting himself up for a doomsday of a 2026 offseason where signing everyone we need to sign becomes a question.
An option would be to leverage most of the cap space to make us better, but find one guy that really fills a hole and is a difference maker and sign him big for one year. Unfortunately, looking around the UFA pile, it's hard to identify that guy.
Playing around - I created the below. On the one hand it feels like a waste to leave this much cap space on the books, but it'd let us acquire literally anyone at the deadline and would position us well to re-sign Blake, Stankoven, Nikishin in 2026 (Morrow being a part of the package for Dobson). Obviously this is one version of an approach, but to me the really big holes are 1RD and 2C, and if we can move heaven and earth to fill those holes the rest kind of falls into place. Not included in this is the 1-year guy I'm talking about. If Matt Duchene wants to take $7.5m for one year to come join in, the more the merrier. More likely, it'd be next year's version of Roslovic to slide in on that 3rd line (whoever it ends up being), bump Robinson to the Staal line, and put Carrier on IR where we know he'll be.
The other option, of course, is go big, spend all the cap space, and make next year's problem next year's problem. Which, if you add another $8m player to the below roster, is a pretty darn compelling approach.
Next year's crazy amount of cap space is a huge opportunity but also a pseudo-illusion. At the end of 2026 we have basically no major contracts ending or cap space to be gained, yet will need to re-sign Blake, Stankoven, Nikishin, and Morrow to their next deals. So Tulsky is going to need to find the balance of leveraging that cap space to make the team better, while also not setting himself up for a doomsday of a 2026 offseason where signing everyone we need to sign becomes a question.
An option would be to leverage most of the cap space to make us better, but find one guy that really fills a hole and is a difference maker and sign him big for one year. Unfortunately, looking around the UFA pile, it's hard to identify that guy.
Playing around - I created the below. On the one hand it feels like a waste to leave this much cap space on the books, but it'd let us acquire literally anyone at the deadline and would position us well to re-sign Blake, Stankoven, Nikishin in 2026 (Morrow being a part of the package for Dobson). Obviously this is one version of an approach, but to me the really big holes are 1RD and 2C, and if we can move heaven and earth to fill those holes the rest kind of falls into place. Not included in this is the 1-year guy I'm talking about. If Matt Duchene wants to take $7.5m for one year to come join in, the more the merrier. More likely, it'd be next year's version of Roslovic to slide in on that 3rd line (whoever it ends up being), bump Robinson to the Staal line, and put Carrier on IR where we know he'll be.
The other option, of course, is go big, spend all the cap space, and make next year's problem next year's problem. Which, if you add another $8m player to the below roster, is a pretty darn compelling approach.
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I could see him kept around 5 which would be a good deal for him, even on 3rd pair
bleedgreen
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Upgrade RD. It’s becoming more important than 2C. I don’t like the idea of Slavin having to truly babysit anyone anymore, so no Morrow for me. Not there. Slavin is still amazing but his skating and stamina isn’t quite what it was and it’s an unfair ask to make him carry someone who can’t defend. He was so great at the 4 nations because he had a very good RD with him that allowed Slavin to focus on what he does the best. Let’s let him be that guy again.
The only one that makes sense in house to me that way is Walker, but that’s not fully taking advantage of Slavin.
That, 2C….goalie.
The only one that makes sense in house to me that way is Walker, but that’s not fully taking advantage of Slavin.
That, 2C….goalie.
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fyi...Looking at Islander forum, they have been down on Dobson this year.
IMO, I would be very happy with both Orlov and Burns playing for other teams next year. Nikishin can bond with Svetch, PK if he needs RU players to interact with.
IMO, I would be very happy with both Orlov and Burns playing for other teams next year. Nikishin can bond with Svetch, PK if he needs RU players to interact with.
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Purely stat-watching (never actually seen him play), but Alexander Smolin could be a potential goalie grab? He's got great stats basically every level he's played
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Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Alexander Smolin, 2003-10-11 Chebarkul, RUS Russia. Most recently in the KHL with Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Complete player biography and stats.
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SvechneJerk
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@Caser, do you any input / info on Smolin?Purely stat-watching (never actually seen him play), but Alexander Smolin could be a potential goalie grab? He's got great stats basically every level he's played
Alexander Smolin - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Alexander Smolin, 2003-10-11 Chebarkul, RUS Russia. Most recently in the KHL with Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Complete player biography and stats.
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