Blake before either of them. High floor (he's already in the NHL), lowest ceiling IMO.
I like him a lot but we have a lot of trade assets and it's time we start making decisions on some of them. They're not all going to play here.
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I like him a lot but we have a lot of trade assets and it's time we start making decisions on some of them. They're not all going to play here.
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Article about him on SN. Alvin observing that offers for him at TDL were less than a 1st round that he wanted (apparently much less).
FWIW: Boeser is not highly rated by Canuck fans. Says disappears for long stretches.
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Article about him on SN. Alvin observing that offers for him at TDL were less than a 1st round that he wanted (apparently much less).
FWIW: Boeser is not highly rated by Canuck fans. Says disappears for long stretches.
Canucks wanted first-round pick for Brock Boeser
In one of the more surprising non-moves of trade deadline day, Brock Boeser remains a Vancouver Canuck. A day later, we now know why.
AhosDatsyukian
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Disagree on Blake, he’s legit and has a high ceiling skill wise.
I’m not sold on Boeser he had a career year last year 40 goals but before that he’s basically 20-25 goals and somewhere between 50-60 points. Hes only gone over 60 points once. Not a guy I’m giving a max term toRe Boeser
Article about him on SN. Alvin observing that offers for him at TDL were less than a 1st round that he wanted (apparently much less).
FWIW: Boeser is not highly rated by Canuck fans. Says disappears for long stretches.
Canucks wanted first-round pick for Brock Boeser
In one of the more surprising non-moves of trade deadline day, Brock Boeser remains a Vancouver Canuck. A day later, we now know why.
He does. I think Nadeau and Stank's are higher. Also, think he returns more value because he's already showing at the NHL level.
It's all tough decisions from here on out. Can't play them all and there's no obvious fat to cut. This is where front offices prove themselves.
Derailed75
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My thoughts.
Chatfield way outplays his contract, not that he's better than Dobson but I don't trade him for Dobson, his play per contract dollar is too high.
I wouldn't take EP and his contract for a late round pick he is the exact opposite of Chatfield as in his play is no where near his contract numbers.
Players that can leave the NHL squad.
Burns, Orlov, Roslovic., KK, Ghost, Jost, Robinson, Walker, Carrier, possibly Hall (depends on how his new contract works out) I would like to see how Stank and Jano fit in before commenting on those guys.
I don't watch or follow our prospects so I will defer who would stay on those but I'm thinking from listening to you guys that Nikisin, Morrow are untouchable.
Chatfield way outplays his contract, not that he's better than Dobson but I don't trade him for Dobson, his play per contract dollar is too high.
I wouldn't take EP and his contract for a late round pick he is the exact opposite of Chatfield as in his play is no where near his contract numbers.
Players that can leave the NHL squad.
Burns, Orlov, Roslovic., KK, Ghost, Jost, Robinson, Walker, Carrier, possibly Hall (depends on how his new contract works out) I would like to see how Stank and Jano fit in before commenting on those guys.
I don't watch or follow our prospects so I will defer who would stay on those but I'm thinking from listening to you guys that Nikisin, Morrow are untouchable.
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Still no idea why we gave Carrier the contract that we did.
Derailed75
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So we can play the LTIR game. Just got screwed by bitchy Fin not signing a deal with Dallas fast enough.
Watch next year before the TDL Carrier goes out again, back game 1 round 1. Rinse repeat.
Quick thought - I tend to agree with most of you that our best value adds will be a player currently midway through a big contract rather than the "sexier" play of adding a big fish UFA. This is provided that we don't get Marner, which I'd estimate we have like a 3% chance to do.
Maybe our best target is to double dip with the Dallas Stars? Next year they have like $5M in capspace (now that they inked $12M man Rantanen) with 8F, 5D, and 2G signed. Most notably, they haven't re-signed Matt Duchene, who is pacing for a 90 point season. Who is their biggest, most tradeable player who would free up space for them?
Tyler Seguin. At a $9.85M hit, he would give them breathing room for the rest of their roster.
With their cap situation, Tyler Seguin might have negative value. I could see him being our biggest target. Jump in and make an initial offer of Dallas's own 2026 1st for Tyler Seguin at $3M retained for the next two years. Can't do that? OK, we'll take him off your hands for another 1st rounder.
Seguin would make a solid stopgap 2C for our team, and we can easily afford his cap. I don't think we could get another 1st from Dallas, but I bet we could get him for nearly free, as he is overpaid as a 50 point guy at this point in his career. What do y'all think?
Maybe our best target is to double dip with the Dallas Stars? Next year they have like $5M in capspace (now that they inked $12M man Rantanen) with 8F, 5D, and 2G signed. Most notably, they haven't re-signed Matt Duchene, who is pacing for a 90 point season. Who is their biggest, most tradeable player who would free up space for them?
Tyler Seguin. At a $9.85M hit, he would give them breathing room for the rest of their roster.
With their cap situation, Tyler Seguin might have negative value. I could see him being our biggest target. Jump in and make an initial offer of Dallas's own 2026 1st for Tyler Seguin at $3M retained for the next two years. Can't do that? OK, we'll take him off your hands for another 1st rounder.
Seguin would make a solid stopgap 2C for our team, and we can easily afford his cap. I don't think we could get another 1st from Dallas, but I bet we could get him for nearly free, as he is overpaid as a 50 point guy at this point in his career. What do y'all think?
If they are willing to play Stankoven at C, I think C becomes less of a priority than a top line wing.
I think I'd rather sign Duchene to a high $$ short-term deal. Or Brock Nelson, who fits the style much better than Seguin although Seguin is a righty.
As I think about it, I think Nelson is the top C UFA target. High $$, 2-3 years. Maybe you prefer Bennett as a long-term RH C solution, but that's if you think Stankoven isn't ever transitioning over to C.
At wing, I think you have to try to get Marner and see what happens, then fall back to one of Boeser/Ehlers.
I’d pass on a 33 year old coming off hip surgery with the term he has left no thanks
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I wouldn't aim for Seguin either. Too big of an injury concern at this point. But, I think we know if the price is right that's something this front office would consider.
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Here's a sad moment.
Skjei's production in a floundering Nashville, has been about half what he was here. 22 points so far and a -9. For a AAV of 7M. Isnt he makking 10 this year? Big oof. Brady might never be the player he was out of our system. Thats a ROUGH contract for 7m.
Meanwhile pesce is like 5m. I'd take 10 pesces for 5m over one 8M orlov any day. We'd have a lot less questions with Pesh still around, but that ship has long sailed.
Skjei's production in a floundering Nashville, has been about half what he was here. 22 points so far and a -9. For a AAV of 7M. Isnt he makking 10 this year? Big oof. Brady might never be the player he was out of our system. Thats a ROUGH contract for 7m.
Meanwhile pesce is like 5m. I'd take 10 pesces for 5m over one 8M orlov any day. We'd have a lot less questions with Pesh still around, but that ship has long sailed.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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I could see it, considering that Seguin has two seasons remaining. His contract would expire right when the Canes would need to pay Nikishin. If it's possible to extract more draft capital from Dallas, I could see Carolina taking a shot. Other players who I could see getting cap-dumped from contending teams are Pietrangelo from Vegas, Panarin from the Rangers, and Bobrovsky from Florida.
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Florida moving on from Bob makes a lot less sense after dealing Knight to Chicago. Bob is the only goalie I see signed next year; they probably let him run out that contract with the way the UFA market looks now.
robbieberns
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We have a combined stockpile of cap space, picks, and prospects that would rival anyone else in the league. We are set up to go out there and build a Florida or Dallas level roster this summer. Why are we looking at a guy like Seguin? This is not the Francis era where you have to take a gamble on a guy because competing team might be looking to move on.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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One reason why the Canes may want to be a bit more judicious on the adds is because Stankoven, Morrow, Blake, and potentially Nikishin (if an ELC year is burned) will all need to be paid in the 2026 offseason. The best way to handle this issue is to look for high-dollar 1 year adds. Panarin makes a huge amount of sense if he is willing to waive his NMC. I mentioned this before, but Duchene is a great potential candidate for a 1 year, big-dollar contract. I'm not saying that they can't make a long-term investment; I'm saying that with the pending RFA payments, they might want to restrict the long-term commitments to 1-2 players.
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No way, get out of this perpetual cycle of constantly having to worry about expiring deals and refreshing the talent. Go get a Dobson or Barzal, sign an Ehlers or Marner. Get high quality impact players and have them signed to term while we still have the cap and assets to do it. Cross the bridge on those young guys when we get to it. Obviously keep an eye on the future but next year Slavin is 31, Aho is 28. Build a cup winning team right now.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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I don't entirely agree with the premise. The backbone of the success of our team is not actually the ELCs, but rather the 8 year RFA second contracts. It's a good thing, in fact, to plan your roster around them, especially guys who I personally expect to be core players (Stankoven, Nikishin, and potentially Morrow). An 8 year extension can even be valuable in the context of a key role player, like what Jackson Blake projects to be. In hindsight, if we had given an 8 year to Foegele back then, it would've been a major win for the Canes.
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This is one thing I agree with you on.
DaveG
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Right now we have the cap flexibility where we can look at doing both thankfully. That may mean a bridge deal in 2 years for Blake/Morrow, but if that's the case then it is what it is. Our first window closed last offseason when we didn't win the cup, with our best shot there being 2 years ago, but another one with potentially a better shot overall opens this offseason especially if we make the right moves.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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You never know this year, though. I kind of feel that we have a lot of our young, scrappy, underdog energy back with the Stankoven addition. If Nikishin also comes in during the playoffs and fits in, we could do way more damage this postseason than we originally projected.
DaveG
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Division is within reach, but I think we'd have to goalie the opponent to get by either Tampa or Florida. Doable but not likely. I think our weakness at RD1 is going to be too much to overcome in that regard. Would be some real karmic shit if we did goalie Florida in the ECF though.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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Tampa has a far, far weaker right side of the defense than the Canes do and has barely anything on the 4th line. If the Canes lose to Tampa, it'll be because of giving up too many penalties and getting goalied by Vasilevskiy again.
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I agree with the concept but not with your assessment of the players. Maybe we just define "core" differently, but I view our core players right now as being Aho, Slavin, Jarvis, Svech. That's it. I think Nikishin we can "expect" to be a core a player in that mold, but the others are very much long shots if each is viewed in a vacuum and nobody else on our roster or in our pipeline is "likely" to become a core player.
I think out of our group of current young roster players and prospects we get 1-2 more core players but it's a toss of the dice who it winds up being. I'd have my money on Blake, Nadeau or Artamonov over guys like Stank and Morrow.
But I totally agree with you on the key role player aspect too, which several of these guys could become. Koko is nowhere near a core player and I'd move him in a heartbeat for a big upgrade if we needed to, but he is a valuable role player that is on a good long term contract. Staal's presence makes it a little more complicated in his case right now but if no Staal then Koko is a perfect long term 3C. And I would've loved to keep Foegele long term at the right $ -- I suspect he preferred to bet on himself, and he's done very well since leaving here. The thing is though, on those types of deals the cap hit really has to be a bargain and to get guys on a bargain you kind of have to limit their opportunity a bit at the beginning for their production to be lower to warrant a lower cap hit and then the issue is guys wanting more opportunity to prove themselves and earn more (similar to what I think was happening with Necas). Personally I'd hand Blake an 8 year deal at like 5mil a year this offseason. I don't think he'd take it but I'd offer it and hope he would consider it. Morrow, Stank, others we just haven't quite seen enough of.
