Roster Building XXV: Winning Rantanen's Undying Love

[CanesUltimate11]

I still don't think we trade him unless he'd extend somewhere else as a part of the trade and we could get a massive return, but I don't think that's happening because I don't think Rantanen is ready to make any decisions about his future. Not getting him signed by the trade deadline does not mean he won't sign here. I don't blame him for wanting to take plenty of time and evaluate his options. Dude thought he was gonna be a career Av and now has to make a massive decision about the next 7-8 years of his life. I still think we have a great chance to keep him and even if not I'd rather have a playoff run with him than trade him for some scraps, which is what we'd get if he's being traded as a pure rental.

Yep, unless he says he won't sign under any circumstance or they get their socks blown off in a trade offer I think you ride it out and see what happens.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The real crux of the issue is that Rantanen simply hasn't shown he's worth what he's asking for. His play here has been pretty uninspired.

And while there may be a million reasons for that, one that can't be ignored is the possibility that he was relying on McKinnon more than most thought

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

I don't care one way or the other - the only thing i know for sure is that roughly 97% of the posters on hfboards saying it is a complete failure if we trade him, will immediately start saying things like "too much" and "won't age well" if he re-signs.

Well count me in one of the 3% because I do think it will age well, I think we are positioned extremely well to absorb a big contract given who else we have already inked max term, and quite frankly I remember how long it took Eichel to settle into Vegas and Tkachuk to settle into Florida before those teams exploded and fully expect similar results here. He's a sniper who is pressing right now, but his metrics have him playing some of the best hockey we've seen. Once he settles in, that line is going to explode in productivity.

 

[robbieberns]

Once again, for a month now, this whole thing has been driven by talking heads that don’t have jack else to report on so they steal a living by stirring up a narrative that doesn’t exist. The only things reported on that seemed fact based were the offer we sent to their camp, and the fact that their camp responded that they weren’t ready to make a commitment one way or another. It’s totally normal and fair for a play to not want to commit with such little time with a new team and not having the time to get to know the city. Now that we know a deal won’t be signed by tomorrow it’s also fair for us to see if there’s a return out there that outweighs the pros of keeping him as a rental.

 

[User13452]

If we do end up deciding to keep him we need to be adding to this roster and making a serious run don’t have ass it we should be trying to acquire Nelson to fill the 2c hole

 

[DaveG]

Well count me in one of the 3% because I do think it will age well, I think we are positioned extremely well to absorb a big contract given who else we have already inked max term, and quite frankly I remember how long it took Eichel to settle into Vegas and Tkachuk to settle into Florida before those teams exploded and fully expect similar results here. He's a sniper who is pressing right now, but his metrics have him playing some of the best hockey we've seen. Once he settles in, that line is going to explode in productivity.

Honestly I think this is what's frustrating me the most about it. Just watching how he plays you can tell the skill is there for him to basically be a Jagr-lite type player in our system. The results aren't showing yet but the chances are clearly there. When things click they'll blow up, but the question is if we'll even get the chance at this point.

 

[To Be Determined]

Well count me in one of the 3% because I do think it will age well, I think we are positioned extremely well to absorb a big contract given who else we have already inked max term, and quite frankly I remember how long it took Eichel to settle into Vegas and Tkachuk to settle into Florida before those teams exploded and fully expect similar results here. He's a sniper who is pressing right now, but his metrics have him playing some of the best hockey we've seen. Once he settles in, that line is going to explode in productivity.

I really was aiming at the main board (i really should quit reading canes stuff there)

i agree with everything you wrote.

 

[mikeyfan]

As spock mentioned, any reason the Bruins trade Geekie would be to get a pick back or anyone with term. He’s an RFA, and Roslovic + Rost to a team that are sellers leaves them with … nothing.

Also, the author tries to make the argument that Geekie’s faceoff percentage of 46.4% is beneficial to the Canes? I’m assuming you’ve linked to an article from your friend’s amateur blog with such a flawed proposition.

Don't assume anything, because you know what Assume means

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Don't assume anything, because you know what Assume means

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Honestly I think this is what's frustrating me the most about it. Just watching how he plays you can tell the skill is there for him to basically be a Jagr-lite type player in our system. The results aren't showing yet but the chances are clearly there. When things click they'll blow up, but the question is if we'll even get the chance at this point.

And if he walks, I'm not sure how we're ever going to get another player who can do that here. Necas was the best trade piece we had, the next best are guys we absolutely are not trading like Nikishin, and guys who need a few years to mature before their trade stock gets high enough to return an elite player. If our goal is to win the Cup, we have to sign him. You don't trade for him if you aren't going to extend him.

If we trade him, the return we will get will mainly be marginal depth pieces that will help but won't be key in pushing us over the top. It'll just be adding more of what we already have on this roster, good, but not great/elite players. It won't be worth what we gave up originally.

 

[Chrispy]

The Canes Gossip Girl is blaming the wag. Apparently, Raleigh doesn't have enough skyscrapers and glitz and glam. While the money involved would allow one to jet off to such locales, I could see how if you valued a more cosmopolitan lifestyle committing to 8 years could give one food for thought, in addition, to game related matters.

So Carolina can't compare to Denver for glitz and glam.

Time for Dundon to change the Lenovo renovation plans. Forget a rooftop bar; it's a full second location of Casa Bonita! Cliff dive along the outside of Lenovo Center!

 

[mikeyfan]

The Canes just need to have a press conference and announce to the world Mikko Rantanen is not being traded by the Canes. He will be with the Canes throughout the playoffs, and put a stop to all this nonsense.

If they do this then, in my opinion, Mikko can relax and play hockey instead of having to worry about where am I and my family going to end up.

 

[User13452]

The Canes just need to have a press conference and announce to the world Mikko Rantanen is not being traded by the Canes. He will be with the Canes throughout the playoffs, and put a stop to all this nonsense.

If they do this then, in my opinion, Mikko can relax and play hockey instead of having to worry about where am I and my family going to end up.

I think they’re waiting to see if a team will get desperate enough to offer something they can’t refuse. It’s a clear sellers market and after Rantanen the options aren’t great.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

LOL is this what it feels like to be part of a big market hockey fanbase? The DRAMA of it all.

 

[TheRising06]

It ends tomorrow. No reason to show your hand when a team could still make a dumb offer.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I mean, if I were Mikko I too would just wait 3 months and then have my pick of where to sign, especially considering the last month has not exactly been the best stretch of Hurricanes hockey. Matter of fact, I too would crawl back to Colorado and beg them to take me back

Someone of the Calgary board during our game opined how muted Rantanen looks away from Makar/Mack, fair, but then pointed out how few genuine solo impact players there are at wing. How many have there been in the last couple of decades? Ovechkin, an all time great/top 10 of all time, then...? Kucherov, but he's always played with elite centers in Stamkos/Point, Kessel, but he couldn't get it done by himself in Toronto (couldn't even make the playoffs) and was the third wheel on some Pittsburgh teams, MSL had an up and down career, Iginla? Kovalchuk?

 

[mikeyfan]

I think they’re waiting to see if a team will get desperate enough to offer something they can’t refuse. It’s a clear sellers market and after Rantanen the options aren’t great.

Why do we want to sell? We don't have enough cap space to get enough for Rantanen. In my opinion.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

LOL is this what it feels like to be part of a big market hockey fanbase? The DRAMA of it all.

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I dunno, I don't think there would be this much swirl in a bigger market with the media absolutely convinced he won't sign there because of the market itself.

From the minute he was traded to the Canes, hockey heads were feeding this narrative that it was only a rental because Raleigh isn't special enough for him to stay. That doesn't happen if he was traded to NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Toronto, Montreal, etc.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I dunno, I don't think there would be this much swirl in a bigger market with the media absolutely convinced he won't sign there because of the market itself.

From the minute he was traded to the Canes, hockey heads were feeding this narrative that it was only a rental because Raleigh isn't special enough for him to stay. That doesn't happen if he was traded to NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Toronto, Montreal, etc.

The primary noise came out of Toronto Canada and as I’ve stated before I’m convinced it was engineered by a big club (cough Toronto) and his agents.

Toronto would take a Mikko in,
Marner out, swap all day including Sunday.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The primary noise came out of Toronto Canada and as I’ve stated before I’m convinced it was engineered by a big club (cough Toronto) and his agents.

Toronto would take a Mikko in,
Marner out, swap all day including Sunday.

Marner has a full NMC and has repeatedly stated his desire to stay in Toronto, so the Leafs have basically no shot at Rantanen.

 

[htdoc]

Marner has a full NMC and has repeatedly stated his desire to stay in Toronto, so the Leafs have basically no shot at Rantanen.

If they could convince us to trade them Rantanen on a further 50% retained deal so they could do a playoff run wirh him and Marner and convince him to re sign they would let Marner walk in free agency and call it a win.

It has been a concerted effort since the day we traded for him that was trying to manifest the Dundon so cheap canes bad market no way we can re sign him failure....

And full tin foil hat on.. given the agents involved I have zero doubt that the agent has spoken on background with most teams in the league and got a very good idea of what he can get for his client in free agency should his client listen to his advice on maximizing the agents cut of contract and endorsement deals...

 

[Borsig]

If we sign him, we will have to pay him 13.5-14x8. He's not signing here for 12.5. He's the biggest UFA this year by a mile.

 

[HydratedByStormBrew]

I’m ready for 3:01PM EST tomorrow one way or the other. This speculation has to be a major distraction for the locker room. Whatever happens I’m at peace with. We will have major resources this offseason to improve the roster regardless of the MR saga.

 

[Chrispy]

If we sign him, we will have to pay him 13.5-14x8. He's not signing here for 12.5. He's the biggest UFA this year by a mile.

I think it the final contract is around 13.

At that point, someone would need to go to 14.85 to match the total dollar value over 7 years.

 

[User13452]

Gonna be fun to do this all over again next year when we are trying to find another first line forward to play with aho