Roster Building (& Training Camp) XXIII: Re-signings, Re-considerations, Recriminations

[spockBokk]

Avs fan here, if there was an extension in place for rantanen, would you guys trade, Jarvis or Necas + Badinka?

No chance they’d move Jarvis after just signing him.

Necas would be a maybe, depending on how he feels about an extension himself. I personally feel like the Canes will try their best to sign him long term after 7/1. Necas has that extra year at $6.5M and has the opportunity to vastly outplay that number based on his play so far this season, so I don’t think the Canes would be too quick to trade him unless he demands it, even for a player such as Rantanen.

I’d think the Canes would be hoping he made it to UFA vs trading a high end package for him. They’ll have a ton of cap space this summer to throw at any high-end UFAs if they want to.

Could see them going after Marner and/or Rantanen if they make it to UFA.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

No chance they’d move Jarvis after just signing him.

Necas would be a maybe, depending on how he feels about an extension himself. I personally feel like the Canes will try their best to sign him long term after 7/1. Necas has that extra year at $6.5M and has the opportunity to vastly outplay that number based on his play so far this season, so I don’t think the Canes would be too quick to trade him unless he demands it, even for a player such as Rantanen.

I’d think the Canes would be hoping he made it to UFA vs trading a high end package for him. They’ll have a ton of cap space this summer to throw at any high-end UFAs if they want to.

Could see them going after Marner and/or Rantanen if they make it to UFA.

It's possible that the Canes make a huge play for Marner in UFA. I still think that it's more likely that they go for high-dollar 1 year contracts to the likes of Giroux. The Canes' typical MO is to hoard as much cap space as they can to pay Nikishin and (potentially) Necas for the maximum 8 years the season afterwards.

 

[Chrispy]

It's possible that the Canes make a huge play for Marner in UFA. I still think that it's more likely that they go for high-dollar 1 year contracts to the likes of Giroux. The Canes' typical MO is to hoard as much cap space as they can to pay Nikishin and (potentially) Necas the season afterwards.

Marner is 1.5 years younger than Rantanen, but Rantanen's numbers are so impressive. And it's pretty much a wash on the "elite C boosting numbers" for Mac vs Matthews.

I feel like Rantanen's a better fit for Rod's style of play. That said, I doubt either are available come July 1.

 

[spockBokk]

It's possible that the Canes make a huge play for Marner in UFA. I still think that it's more likely that they go for high-dollar 1 year contracts to the likes of Giroux. The Canes' typical MO is to hoard as much cap space as they can to pay Nikishin and (potentially) Necas for the maximum 8 years the season afterwards.

I think they’d be more apt to go after Rantanen, as he plays the position they’re current lacking up front - big, scoring LW. However, it doesn’t really solve that much if you’re dealing Necas or Jarvis for him, as there’s the need to add to the top 6, not subtract from it.

I do think they’ll do everything possible to keep Necas as long as the wheels don’t fall off this season. I don’t see a scenario where they trade him in-season unless they’re out of the playoff hunt, which is highly unlikely.

Could see the interest in Marner, but doubt that’d get done based on what he’s likely to ask for. I think they’d only go after Marner if Necas makes it clear he won’t re-sign. They’re covered at RW with Jarvis/Necas/
Blake, with Nadeau/FUS also knocking at the door too. To me that makes a pursuit of a RW like Marner or Giroux less likely than a LW or C, unless they have to move on from Necas.

 

[NotOpie]

Avs fan here, if there was an extension in place for rantanen, would you guys trade, Jarvis or Necas + Badinka?

No and no to Jarvis and Necas for the reasons already mentioned (extension in place for Jarvis and another year at $6.5 million for Necas - and hope for a re-signing there). I could, however, see Badinka being part of a picks and prospects package.

 

[BobRossColton]

Aho-Rantanen on that right side looks wonderful

Lehkonen-Mittlestadt-Necas/Jarvis and this looks like a very solid 2nd line.


I just wish Necas was going to fall at his draft.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I would say that the Canes go for Rantanen, but there's almost no way that the Avs don't find a way to keep him. It would require a couple of contract dumps but nothing so extraordinary that NHL teams haven't done before. Marner is a bigger question mark to stay in Toronto, OTOH.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Isn't Rantanen supposedly asking for $12 million? As great of a player as he is, we can't afford that.

 

[robbieberns]

With the cap ceiling reportedly getting another bump to $93m next year and the Canes at $65m already on the books, that’s $28m available. Let’s say no one on the current roster is gets moved, and we factor in a raise for Robinson + Nikishin’s ELC takes $3m off the table. That leaves $25m left for a top 6 guy, a partner for Slavin, and whoever the Freddie replacement will be.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Isn't Rantanen supposedly asking for $12 million? As great of a player as he is, we can't afford that.

Not sure we'd give it, but can't afford it? We'll have $23M in cap space next year to re-sign or replace 3F (Roslovic, Fast, Robinson), 1D (Burns, Nikishin replacing Orlov), and 1G (Freddie). Even at $12M for Rants, we just need 2 lower-line F, 1RD, & a goalie with the other $10M. That's with no cap increase

EDIT: what @robbieberns said while I was typing away lol

 

[User13452]

I think they’d be more interested in going after Rantanan however I could see Marner playing a lot better in a different situation with less media attention then Toronto.

 

[bleedgreen]

Trading Rants even with an extension would likely be a futures transaction with some money going back. Zero reason to give up key pieces for him unless we don’t want the key pieces.

 

[CandyCanes]

I think they’d be more interested in going after Rantanan however I could see Marner playing a lot better in a different situation with less media attention then Toronto.

Rantanan would still be my preference. But I could see Marner coming here and having a similar impact Guentzel had when coming here.

 

[Svechhammer]

Trading Rants even with an extension would likely be a futures transaction with some money going back. Zero reason to give up key pieces for him unless we don’t want the key pieces.

I could see us trying to build an offer around Necas if there is a chance we could trade for Rants. But yeah it would be Necas and a bunch of futures for him, possibly any prospect not named Nikishin available to be traded.

 

[Stickpucker]

A goal scorer with size is preferable over a smallish playmaker for our needs and system.

Ideally you find the next Tkachuk and sign them to a reasonable deal rather than a Rantanen.

That said I'm a big fan in limited viewing. I don't think you can mistake him for a power forward but he seemed to get to the dirty areas we'll.

Can anyone confirm where most of his goals are scored from and how?

 

[bleedgreen]

A goal scorer with size is preferable over a smallish playmaker for our needs and system.

Ideally you find the next Tkachuk and sign them to a reasonable deal rather than a Rantanen.

That said I'm a big fan in limited viewing. I don't think you can mistake him for a power forward but he seemed to get to the dirty areas we'll.

Can anyone confirm where most of his goals are scored from and how?

His nickname is the moose and it fits. He has the skills to drive the net but he’s mostly a goal scorer from near the net who converts passes or rebounds into good shots. He can carry a dman on his back. He passes very well, sees his linemates in traffic. He’s a great forward but the wheels aren’t the best from the get go and will slow down.

He isn’t very physical but can absorb contact very well.

It’s great get a guy like this but we really wanted him five years ago. His contract is going to be bloated and painful in the back half just like every else’s from ufa.

Trading Necas is silly. He’s our best offensive forward. We need Necas AND someone like Rants. Or just keep Necas for cheaper.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If Rantanen actually makes it to UFA, then the Canes should make their move. I'm deeply skeptical that he's not re-signed by the Avs at the trade deadline. I expect some new forwards next season, but it's far more likely to be short-term OGWAC signings like Giroux, Benn, Nelson, or Duchene.

 

[robbieberns]

In all honestly we need to go full court press on the Sens for Tkachuk, send Slavin to the four nations tournament with a full on pitch deck for Brady.

 

[To Be Determined]

In all honestly we need to go full court press on the Sens for Tkachuk, send Slavin

At this point in your post, i was prepared to hunt you down and give you a stern talking to.

 

[robbieberns]

At this point in your post, i was prepared to hunt you down and give you a stern talking to.

Gotta keep my audience engaged

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

It'll be interesting to see who comes out when Nikishin arrives. Gostisbehere feels more secure in his specialist role than DeAngelo this time last year. His ability to play his off-hand (not seen here yet) opens the door for a 4 lefty deployment. With Chatfield grabbing the 2nd pair role and PK ice time, Walker looks like the odd man out early.

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Nikishin - Gostisbehere

EDIT: Didn’t see that this was already being discussed in the Nikishin thread.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I guess we'll see how it plays out..a lot of time until then..the rumors proved to be true for the others who departed.

 

[Svechhammer]

Looks like Blake is sticking with us long term this year

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I guess we'll see how it plays out..a lot of time until then..the rumors proved to be true for the others who departed.

Orlov is good enough to get a sizeable UFA contract from somebody after this one expires. I would be surprised if he goes back to Russia after this year.