Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI: The End (The Apocalypse Is Now)

[Avery16]

With Shesty, we're a playoff team. You're lying to yourself otherwise.

Add in another year of development and another year of youth infusion...

Trending up... set for takeoff

There’s a difference between sneaking into the playoffs and doing anything of note in them. Any I’mof our goalies can sneak us in. None of them are going to win us a series. Losing Zib or Pan alone would do us in.

 

[duhmetreE]

Cap outlook and current roster:

It's hard to accurately calculate a young team.

 

[duhmetreE]

There’s a difference between sneaking into the playoffs and doing anything of note in them. Any I’mof our goalies can sneak us in. None of them are going to win us a series. Losing Zib or Pan alone would do us in.

All you need to do is get in. Its about which team is the hottest and/or which goalie is on fire.

If any team loses their 2 best players, they'd be hard press to win.

 

[Avery16]

All you need to do is get in. Its about which team is the hottest and/or which goalie is on fire.

If any team loses their 2 best players, they'd be hard press to win.

I said either zib or Panarin, not both. We’d fold if either one was injured. Competitors can handle an injury to a top player. We don’t have that depth. We are not a competitor yet.

 

[Ola]

The lay of the land from my perspective:

1. Like it or not, Buch is probably gone next season. Gauthier, Kravy and of course Kakko. RW is stoked. They will want to keep Fast but I think he could be done. Maybe if he takes a cheaper long term deal like some have done. Say 1.75m per for 4 years.

Kids need to play to develop and Kravy is no exception.

2. Will Gorton give Strome a 1 year deal? 2 year deal? I think the longer the better, because forwards with term return so much more value. But I hope Strome is traded before the 2021 draft.

3. TDA hopefully opened some eyes when he was hurt. He gives the team another dimension offensively. Gorton should lock him up long-term. We forget how young Fox is and he is really bad news in one way, and that is that he is setting the bar so high that extremely few rookie Ds ever will be able to look as poised as he has been. But it’s a long season and he is tackling off some. Could be a little up and down for a while, but he is from my POV beyond impressive. But I think we need to keep the right side we have now.

4. I am betting on a Hank buy-our. I thought he would retire, but I am leaning towards a BO.

5. Nils Lundkvist’s status is extremely good right now. And it should be, don’t get me wrong. BUT, it would surprise me if he could get close to a say McAvoy. If would surprise me if he can be as good as Fox, it’s not out of the question, but wouldn’t count it.

High on my wish list is a Nils L trade returning good value for us. If someone becomes available that Gorton really wants — I hope he don’t hesitate to deal Nils because from an asset management POV I think it’s a deal that makes too much sense. JMHO.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Like it or not, Buch is probably gone next season. Gauthier, Kravy and of course Kakko. RW is stoked. They will want to keep Fast but I think he could be done. Maybe if he takes a cheaper long term deal like some have done. Say 1.75m per for 4 years.

Will Gorton give Strome a 1 year deal? 2 year deal? I think the longer the better, because forwards with term return so much more value. But I hope Strome is traded before the 2021 draft.

If this new, physical, take no shit Buch is the norm instead of the exception, I'm not so sure I want him gone.

 

[RGY]

If we could move out Staal and Smith for next year, would anyone be interested in Brendan Dillon on a 3 year contract? I see that as the timeframe needed for one of Miller-Jones-Robertson to break through. With the emergence of Lindgren and the possibility of DeAngelo playing the right side to make Lundkvist fit...I see Hajek and Rykov, who are closer to the NHL than the other prospects, as being blocked. I think they both start in the AHL next year and if they do well they can be added as a package to fill another hole. Not a main piece.

Next year:

DeAngelo-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Dillon-Lundkvist

 

[Cag29]

If this new, physical, take no shit Buch is the norm instead of the exception, I'm not so sure I want him gone.

I like Buch.

 

[True Blue]

I said either zib or Panarin, not both. We’d fold if either one was injured. Competitors can handle an injury to a top player. We don’t have that depth. We are not a competitor yet.

Where is Washington going without Ovechkin?

 

[Avery16]

Where is Washington going without Ovechkin?

Past the first round

 

[True Blue]

Next year:

DeAngelo-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Dillon-Lundkvist

I think that you do not want to expose DeAngelo's defensive deficiencies by having him face the opposition's top players. Not a good recipe, IMO.

 

[RGY]

I think that you do not want to expose DeAngelo's defensive deficiencies by having him face the opposition's top players. Not a good recipe, IMO.

Right now I see Lindgren-Fox transitioning to splitting that responsible with Trouba and whomever he is paired with.

But I can understand the concern. I just think Trouba is a good match for a partner if we were to move ADA over

 

[True Blue]

Past the first round

Debatable.

 

[duhmetreE]

I said either zib or Panarin, not both. We’d fold if either one was injured. Competitors can handle an injury to a top player. We don’t have that depth. We are not a competitor yet.

We were winning without Zibs. Chytil stepped in and played great with Kreider and Buch.

Wheres STL going without ROR?

 

[True Blue]

Right now I see Lindgren-Fox transitioning to splitting that responsible with Trouba and whomever he is paired with.

But I can understand the concern. I just think Trouba is a good match for a partner if we were to move ADA over

I understand the theory, but DeAngelo's defensive game needs to come up a whole bit before I would be comfortable.

And am loathe to split Fox-Lindgren. No need to fix something that is working well.

 

[Avery16]

We were winning without Zibs. Chytil stepped in and played great with Kreider and Buch.

Wheres STL going without ROR?

Past the first round

 

[bobbop]

Yeah that's a problem I see with teams like Toronto, Buffalo, and Edmonton that don't seem to really bother trying to grow leadership in their room and give the C to their superstars at age 18 or whatever. Then you wonder why the team is inconsistent.

It's not about Kreider being captain material either, but how you have a stable and veteran core that has been through a lot and can show the team how to be professionals.

I mean I'm not content to give crappy players a pass just because of leadership either but it's not something you can ignor eand think that running out a team of 20 year olds is going to work out

Some of our posters do.

 

[rangers1314]

One of the main goals of the summer, if not THE goal, is to find a legit top 4LHD to play with Trouba. Preferably someone young, with at least 2 years of control remaining.

I don't see why they would want to mess with the Fox-Lindgren pairing, and I'm of the opinion Staal is on this team next year.

 

[bobbop]

If we could move out Staal and Smith for next year, would anyone be interested in Brendan Dillon on a 3 year contract? I see that as the timeframe needed for one of Miller-Jones-Robertson to break through. With the emergence of Lindgren and the possibility of DeAngelo playing the right side to make Lundkvist fit...I see Hajek and Rykov, who are closer to the NHL than the other prospects, as being blocked. I think they both start in the AHL next year and if they do well they can be added as a package to fill another hole. Not a main piece.

Next year:

DeAngelo-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Dillon-Lundkvist

IF the price is right, I’d certainly have interest. He has some snarl.

 

[Ola]

IF the price is right, I’d certainly have interest. He as some snarl.

We should never make an investment at LD ever again! Seriously though, Smith won’t be a big downgrade from Skjei. Many good LDs changed teams for 2-3 round picks. Invest as little as possible at that position unless you get a shot at a good top 1 D.

 

[duhmetreE]

Past the first round

Ok, so we go past the first round too.

See we're just as good

 

[Ola]

If this new, physical, take no shit Buch is the norm instead of the exception, I'm not so sure I want him gone.

Yeah, but we had a — golden — opportunity to sign him to a great 4-5 year deal last summer and didn’t take it. He is only getting better. If he scores 60 pts or a bit more he is looking for a BIG pay day after this contract is up. Easily 6+ million per.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Yeah, but we had a — golden — opportunity to sign him to a great 4-5 year deal last summer and didn’t take it. He is only getting better. If he scores 60 pts or a bit more he is looking for a BIG pay day after this contract is up. Easily 6+ million per.

I think probably one of the hardest parts of being a GM is knowing when to bridge someone and when not to - look what happened with Skjei - should have bridged him. Look what happened with Stepan and (most likely) with Buch - exact opposite. Not an easy thing to figure out.

 

[mas0764]

Some of our posters do.

I haven't seen anyone say we can ice a team full of 20 year olds.

What I do recall is someone saying that you don't need a "third" of the roster to be grizzled playoff veterans.

 

[Crease]

Like it or not, Buch is probably gone next season. Gauthier, Kravy and of course Kakko. RW is stoked.

I hope not. There's a difference between moving a goalie because Igor established himself and moving Buch on hope a RW prospect establishes himself.

The Rangers went into camp with Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson and Howden down the middle and it took the better half of the season to solve that issue.