Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI: The End (The Apocalypse Is Now)

[Ola]

How many pts do we need for home ice?

 

[Edge]

On a team that has stockpiled Kravtsov, Kakko, Buch, and Gauthier on the right side, I'm not sure Pool-party is necessarily their primary target.

I get the sense that all things considered, they're probably looking for a third line LW, a middle six forward who plays more of a North-South type game and brings a little sandpaper.

I'm not sure JP really fits any of those parameters.

 

[Ola]

What a pain in the ass this expansion draft is. Just move the Islanders to Seattle and be done with it. Enough is enough.

Risk is that it’s only a pain if you make one of it. We will lose a good player in the expansion draft as will all other teams. I am fine with losing a LD...

 

[mas0764]

Lundkvist hasn’t made it to this continent yet. It’s laughable that Toronto would trade a young first line forward with term for an unproven player. Fast forward to next year and he’s having a campaign like Fox and it might be a different story. Selling Lundkvist now is not selling high unless you expect him to struggle.

My hypothetical was trading DeAngelo to Toronto.

I'm not advocating either way, I just said "considered." I actually said the best approach is just sitting tight for now.

 

[Leetch3]

Technically, they could trade Lias/trade for Pool Party now, no? Those players just wouldn't be able to compete for the rest of the season.

Right?

you can make trades now, just those players aren't eligible for the playoffs...so far example after muzzin's got hurt the leafs can trade for a dman to help make the playoffs but that guy can't play in the playoffs

 

[Leetch3]

How many pts do we need for home ice?

we are 6 points behind the pens for 2nd in the division and they have a game in hand.

 

[Leetch3]

What's with the talk of moving Lundkvist? Where is this coming from?

Next year:

Tony D-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
???? (maybe K'Andre, Rykov or Hajek)- Lundkvist

far more likely that Staal and Smith will be on the team next year over Miller and Lundkvist...not a fan of that idea at all just saying

 

[Ola]

we are 6 points behind the pens for 2nd in the division and they have a game in hand.

We play them 3 times the rest of the season I think, home ice or bust IMO.

 

[Ola]

I am still disappointed that Gorton didn’t challenge Lou to trade our 1st for theirs this season.

 

[Thirty One]

I am still disappointed that Gorton didn’t challenge Lou to trade our 1st for theirs this season.

I think someone suggested a while ago that instead of the draft lottery, to eliminate tanking, each team should be required to trade their first round pick before the season starts. That would be a lot of fun.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

First and second year pros are exempt (not just NHL is counted). Lindgren is in his second pro-season right now.

Ahhh...thanks much.

 

[RGY]

far more likely that Staal and Smith will be on the team next year over Miller and Lundkvist...not a fan of that idea at all just saying

I think Miller should play 1 more year at Wisconsin. I dont think it could hurt, only help his development. No reason to rush him. We are “ok” on D right now with what we have. If Lundkvist pushes through fine. If they can get rid of one or both of Smith and Staal, I am all in on adding Brenden Dillon a 3 year deal.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Just trade Lias for puljujärvi and then praise the lord for Lundell.

Kakko - Lundell - Pulju

I think it was reported that the Lias for JP ship has sailed. Edmonton didn't see any upside in Lias.

 

[East Coast Bias]

pool party could be dying from Coronavirus on live tv and people here would be like "wow, we got Edmonton right where we want them. Pool Party for a 5th. Thoughts?"

 

[Tossed Medal]

If he’s 26 and getting beat like that 1 on 1 how do you think he’ll look at 30? At 32?

Guys quickly forget him knocking Dal Colle out of the game and subsequently that little pest JGP and having a monster game against the isles . Every D man gets beat . When we start making the playoffs and the clutching and grabbing is not called we’ll be grateful to have a d man that’s not a shrimp like all our other D men . Trouba will playing 20 plus minutes a game for plenty of years for us . He very may well be playing a bit dinged up this entire season and wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t need a little cleanup of a knee or hop or whatever . Guys need to look beyond the contract . The team is winning and improving in all areas of the ice and Trouba is hardly hurting us and brings the snarl that shrimps like ADA , Fox and as tough as he is Lindgren bring . Lindgren is on the Callahan trajectory if he keeps playing with reckless abandon . The guy gets yardsaled every game in one way or another .

 

[Thirty One]

I think Miller should play 1 more year at Wisconsin. I dont think it could hurt, only help his development. No reason to rush him. We are “ok” on D right now with what we have. If Lundkvist pushes through fine. If they can get rid of one or both of Smith and Staal, I am all in on adding Brenden Dillon a 3 year deal.

I think as a player the best thing for him would be another year at Wisconsin. However, as a player approaching free agent eligibility, I'm doing everything I can to get him to sign this summer.

 

[bobbop]

Re: Skjei, interesting note from LeBrun:

The Hurricanes weren’t alone bidding on Skjei. The Florida Panthers would have loved to get their hands on him. That was their focus the rest of the day after making their deal with Carolina. They were desperate to find a top-four, left-side D who was not a rental player.

The problem, according to two sources, was that Florida was trying to make a dollar-in, dollar-out trade (I think Mike Matheson was offered) in exchange for Skjei. That didn’t make much sense for a Rangers team that was only dealing Skjei away for salary cap reasons after signing Chris Kreider to an extension and looking ahead to offseason, cap-related decisions.

I called out the Mathewson contract as an albatross the moment is was signed. Bad decision then and now. Want no part of that anchor.

 

[bobbop]

Will Lindgren be exempt from the expansion draft?

No.

Trouba, DeAngelo & Lindgren

 

[Avery16]

What a pain in the ass this expansion draft is. Just move the Islanders to Seattle and be done with it. Enough is enough.

Seattle is too close

 

[NYROrtsFan]

I remember a couple months ago when some people were saying that it wasn't a big deal to lose Lindgren in the expansion draft.

 

[Thirty One]

I remember a couple months ago when some people were saying that it wasn't a big deal to lose Lindgren in the expansion draft.

@Thirty One

 

[EpicDing]

I remember a couple months ago when some people were saying that it wasn't a big deal to lose Lindgren in the expansion draft.

I mean, a couple of months ago it wasn't a big deal to lose him. He developed into a better player.

 

[kovazub94]

Just for reference, on this experience issue by the way, again, my statement being "You don't need a third of the roster to be grizzled playoff veterans," I'd cite the 2009-10 Stanley Cup winning Chicago Blackhawks. The only veterans with real playoff experience in an expanded role both when they got the experience AND during that year for the Blackhawks (ie, no use in counting old vets who once played on playoff teams but added next to nothing to ice time for the Blackhawks), would have been Marian Hossa, Brian Campbell, and John Madden.

Maybe Thomas Kopecky but his time and contibution with the Red Wings was relatively minor, as well as with the Blackhawks, like 9 minutes of ice time.

Kane, Toews, Sharp, Ladd, Keith, Versteeg, Brouwer, Bolland, Byfuglien, Seabrook, Barker, Fraser, Hjallmarsson, none of them had any relevant playoff experience before what they would have acquired with the Hawks the year before when they lost the conference finals to the Redwings. Sharp and Ladd had both been on playoff teams before, but it was during years they were rookies and had limited ice time... not what I'd call grizzled veterans.

Just sayin'. You need SOME veteran leadership, but not a ton. Not in today's league.

I mean you're listing a single team deep with future HOFs and sprinkled with a couple of perennial All-Stars. Most teams mature into true contenders with experience (so coming from vets) as opposed to being one from the get go.

 

[kovazub94]

They made the adjustment after calling up Digi and playing McKegg.

Since the Rangers started icing 4 NHL level lines, they started winning. Been this way for 6 weeks now. You, I and a bunch of other folks have been calling for this. But it has been a while since they went with 4 lines of forwards who can skate and play the game.

Ideally you want the bottom six guys being top PK options as well, but that's attainable. That will eventually spell minutes for Mika & Strome, but none of kids (sans Lemmie) nor any of the Carolina Castaways have been able to kill penalties.

If we're fair in our evaluation of Quinn's work in putting together his lines, McKegg was here on the forth line from early on that simply is playing better. The true difference is that Lemieux was pushed to the forth line after they found a fit in DG - whom noone called as an option ahead of Nieves, Lettieri, Gettinger or Fogs, etc. Then the other new variable is Gauthier who obviously another piece not available ealier. Both of these additions were not in Quinn's control.

 

[Avery16]

I mean, a couple of months ago it wasn't a big deal to lose him. He developed into a better player.

That has a funny way of happening to prospects.