Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIV: Walk the line into the ring of fire

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have at 60 percent he goes. I have two people matching those odds. One person at 50/50.

Obviously you have actual people telling you things, but when Edge, Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Freidman all say hes more likely to be moved, I'm hitching my horse to that wagon until proven other wise.

GAS meter has him being traded 85/15.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Obviously you have actual people telling you things, but when Edge, Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Freidman all say hes more likely to be moved, I'm hitching my horse to that wagon until proven other wise.

GAS meter has him being traded 85/15.

We shall see. I think 60:40 is pretty accurate. A lot can change. Nothing is going down until Monday it seems

 

[duhmetreE]

Skjei and Fast for Kapanen and Robertson

 

[offdacrossbar]

I have at 60 percent he goes. I have two people matching those odds. One person at 50/50.

hes 80 % gonzo

the 20 is if everyone lowballs jeffy and fills a need before mon even arrives. its a game of chicken.

i suspect sakic has folded. the ask is too high. the offers on the table don't move the jeff needle enough.

my dark horse team is dallas. they play a heavy game and would welcome CK's speed. add him to that top 9 and look out. seguin radulov and kreider would be terrifying.

i would match that top 9 with kreider against any team in the league.

the stars are loaded with mouthwatering prospects. robertson, dellandrea, albin eriksson to name a few

hes not coming back

 

[Edge]

Obviously you have actual people telling you things, but when Edge, Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Freidman all say hes more likely to be moved, I'm hitching my horse to that wagon until proven other wise.

GAS meter has him being traded 85/15.

I have no doubt Rangers want to keep him. It’s that mother loving gap.

 

[Cyclones21]

I am a rare poster but what would the reaction be if Kreider does not get moved, there isn't an extension and he walks on July 1? I am not an insider so I hope Edge can assure us that won't be the case. I hope by Monday there is either an extension or he is moved. I just hope if he is moved, everyone is happy with the return.

 

[duhmetreE]

The Keeps:
DeAngelo

The "Could Go Either Way" Tier:
Kreider
Strome

The "Expendables" Tier:
Skjei
Buch
Fast
Georgiev

The "Moveable Contract" Tier:
Smith

So I've believed a major reason for the Rangers "struggles" this season has come from the fact there was little to no depth scoring. Now that we've seen Di Giuseppe enter the lineup and give a bit of jolt to the third line, while allowing Lemieux/Howden to play on the fourth line, simultaneously getting Smith and Haley out of the lineup, the balance is way better. It is no coincidence the Rangers are also playing their best stretch of hockey. For anybody who has closely watched this team, the top guys have done MORE than their fair share of the work. Our top producers are comparable from a talent perspective and actual production angle to the best players around the league.

Because of what I've seen, the Rangers "rebuild" has actually much more closely resembled a typical "retool." What you're seeing the past few weeks is a combination of previous high draft picks, young promising roster players and the infusion of Igor expedite this process. While I'm still not high on David Quinn (and think Lindy Ruff is an issue), the effort and cohesiveness the roster has shown the past few weeks, dating back to before All-Star Weekend, has been nothing short of promising. They are hitting their stride, and the 3/4 teams immediately ahead of them in the standings are all not significantly better. The Rangers could theoretically jump ahead into a wild card spot and it wouldn't necessarily be that surprising.

1. Tony DeAngelo has become a revelation. So much so, he has to be kept and tried on the left side to improve the organizational balance moving forward. I believe in Trouba/Fox as our future top two RHD defenders, and know Nils has been impressive as a prospect.

2. I am in the "Keep Kreider" camp. He has elite chemistry with our top center, he has a skillset that is immensely difficult to replace, and we have a situation where in the coming years the organization will need players like him in the locker room. I don't think he will age bad, at all, although I totally understand the argument and skepticism giving him the rumored contract. I just think most of this forum is allergic to age 30 and has "shiny new toy" syndrome. I think trading Kreider, AND selling off Strome, Fast, etc., will be two steps in the wrong direction.

3. Which leads me to the "Expendables" tier. These are players in the organization who have talent, who have value to other teams, but inherently by nature are replaceable type assets. For example, has Skjei been inconsistent since signing that contract extension? Sure. Is he still promising and a type of player another team could target in a trade? Yes. Would his trade clear some cap space? Yes. Does Skjei have somebody in the organization who could replace his role eventually? Yes (K'Andre Miller). The logic for Buch (Kravtsov), Fast (Lias; the Rangers drafted and developed Hagelin once upon a time too, so scouts have a good eye for this type of role player), Georgiev (Benoit Allaire), etc. is all the same.

Strome (Chytil) is a true borderline case because he has talent, the former draft pedigree, and can play center/wing. It is important to remember when mentioning replacements for these players, that doesn't happen immediately, but if you're ever looking to diagnosis players who could be moved, it is always the players who have already peaked (McDonagh/Stepan), or players the organization feels like they can replace without having to pay top dollar too (Hayes and Zucc). I would love to keep him, but I can see the case for trading him too.

4. If we all believe in Zibanejad, Panarin, (some of us) Kreider, Trouba, DeAngelo, and the promise of Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Miller, Fox, as well as Igor, now you need to start thinking playoffs. Continuing to accumulate draft picks and prospects will always lengthen the timeline because you're simultaneously attempting to replace production while developing secondary talent. If you keep looking to the future while you're in the present, the future will never come. Some people are OK with selling off now, maintaining the course, and pushing for the playoffs next season or the season after. That is great, but teams like the Oilers and Sabres have operated under this premise for years, and actually acquired the franchise-changing top tier talents in the Draft that Rangers fans have so highly coveted. The Penguins got lucky stringing together multiple generational talents, but in speaking for other teams that have won Stanley Cup titles this past decade (Blackhawks, Bruins, Capitals, Blues, Kings), there wasn't a process of picking in the top 5/6 for 5-10 straight years. The Rangers have now MULTIPLE former high first-round draft picks on the roster, as well as the actual youngest team in the NHL.

I think it is imperative the Rangers attempt to use extra assets accumulated to rid the salary cap hits of Smith and Staal first in order to retain some of what happened this season. I also don't agree with the idea of jettisoning Hank. Hank is still just as effective, and can be fine as the 1B in a scenario where he plays 35-40 games. Let his contract run out, through the remainder of this rebuild/retool, and if he wants to sign one final 1/2-year contract as a veteran backup to see one final playoff push, then that would ultimately be his and the Rangers' decision. If the Bruins can clear most of Backes' salary in the Kase trade from earlier today, then the Rangers can clear Smith in a trade where they sweeten the pot. With the asset(s) used to trade Smith (and I'd pray Staal), you can get those back in a scenario with a Strome/Buch/Skjei/Georgiev trade.

I agreed with everything besides Hank getting 35-40 games

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

At this point I’m putting my trust in Gorton to do the right thing, which is not budge on a ridiculous contract for Kreider and move him

 

[Bob Richards]

I am a rare poster but what would the reaction be if Kreider does not get moved, there isn't an extension and he walks on July 1?

Chernobyl becomes the second worst nuclear meltdown in history

 

[bbny]

I am a rare poster but what would the reaction be if Kreider does not get moved, there isn't an extension and he walks on July 1? I am not an insider so I hope Edge can assure us that won't be the case. I hope by Monday there is either an extension or he is moved. I just hope if he is moved, everyone is happy with the return.

Utter mayhem, with some people uninstalling their web browsers never to visit this site or root for the team again.

 

[Edge]

I am a rare poster but what would the reaction be if Kreider does not get moved, there isn't an extension and he walks on July 1? I am not an insider so I hope Edge can assure us that won't be the case. I hope by Monday there is either an extension or he is moved. I just hope if he is moved, everyone is happy with the return.

I will be shocked if the Rangers keep him without a signed deal. SHOCKED.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I am a rare poster but what would the reaction be if Kreider does not get moved, there isn't an extension and he walks on July 1? I am not an insider so I hope Edge can assure us that won't be the case. I hope by Monday there is either an extension or he is moved. I just hope if he is moved, everyone is happy with the return.

He already has.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Utter mayhem, with some people uninstalling their web browsers never to visit this site or root for the team again.

Cats and dogs living with each other...

 

[offdacrossbar]

At this point I’m putting my trust in Gorton to do the right thing, which is not budge on a ridiculous contract for Kreider and move him

7 x 7 is off limits

no way jeffy agrees to that.

hes gone

 

[Cyclones21]

I should post more often - you guys posted some gems off my inquiry.

 

[rangers1314]

7 x 7 is off limits

no way jeffy agrees to that.

hes gone

right - but we don’t know if that’s the ask any longer...

 

[duhmetreE]

Obviously you have actual people telling you things, but when Edge, Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Freidman all say hes more likely to be moved, I'm hitching my horse to that wagon until proven other wise.

GAS meter has him being traded 85/15.

Like Panarin to Miami

 

[Tob]

I have a feeling Jeff isn't going to let this one sit until Monday. We'll know by Sunday afternoon.

 

[Edge]

right - but we don’t know if that’s the ask any longer...

i wish I could get a clear answer on what significant means. But I am starting to suspect he might want more than $7 million. But that’s me speculating. No one has given me a number.

 

[broadwayblue]

right - but we don’t know if that’s the ask any longer...

It's probably 7.5 x 7 now.

 

[Heckler81]

It's probably 7.5 x 7 now.

I don’t see a team offering 7 years. I see 7.5 x 5.

 

[rangers1314]

i wish I could get a clear answer on what significant means. But I am starting to suspect he might want more than $7 million. But that’s me speculating. No one has given me a number.

well then that makes the decision even more clear for JG, no?

 

[Edge]

well then that makes the decision even more clear for JG, no?

it would, if it’s true.

 

[Cyclones21]

Edge and rest of the board - please accept my pre-apologies. I know there is a protocol here and I don't want to get flamed. If you can't answer - I understand. Given that the gap is so far apart, has Kreider's agent been given permission to talk extension with other teams? Go easy on me guys - I would think it was discussed but couldn't find it.

 

[Edge]

Edge and rest of the board - please accept my pre-apologies. I know there is a protocol here and I don't want to get flamed. If you can't answer - I understand. Given that the gap is so far apart, has Kreider's agent been given permission to talk extension with other teams? Go easy on me guys - I would think it was discussed but couldn't find it.

I do not believe they have given permission to talk extension with other teams as of this post.